Non-trinity believing church?

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,06:15) Quote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,00:41) Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. Hi JB2U, how about 2 or 3? “Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days (an obvious ref. to Pentecost);  and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves  of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.” (Lev 23:16-17) “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matt 13:33) “And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven,  which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21) The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I am still waiting on the verse where leaven is not sin?? Your first example about the Pentecost Feast, the leaven is still sin. It represents SIN. Your second and third verses are the same parable in 2 different books of the Bible….and in both Gospels, this leaven still represents SIN. I am looking for verses in which leaven is NOT a representative of sin.

Here is what you asked for…

Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.

[Ed J]

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Quote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,23:59) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,06:15) Quote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,00:41) Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. Hi JB2U, how about 2 or 3? “Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days (an obvious ref. to Pentecost);  and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves  of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.” (Lev 23:16-17) “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matt 13:33) “And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven,  which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21) The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I am still waiting on the verse where leaven is not sin?? Your first example about the Pentecost Feast, the leaven is still sin. It represents SIN. Your second and third verses are the same parable in 2 different books of the Bible….and in both Gospels, this leaven still represents SIN. I am looking for verses in which leaven is NOT a representative of sin. Here is what you asked for… Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.

they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,06:15)

Quote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,00:41) Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. Hi JB2U, how about 2 or 3? “Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days (an obvious ref. to Pentecost);  and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves  of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.” (Lev 23:16-17) “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matt 13:33) “And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven,  which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21) The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes!

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:14)

they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD

Hi JB2U,

Are first fruits presented unto the LORD with sin in them?     …I say “No”!      …what say you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

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they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD

Edj,

Well done!

You saved me some energy!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[Ed J]

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ April 29 2013,00:22)

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:14) Quote they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD Edj, Well done! You saved me some energy! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Hi Charles,

“As for the earth, out of it cometh (the) bread (of Life): and under it is turned up as it were fire.
                        The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold.
There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen:” (Job 28:5-7)

Job 28:5-7 is not meant to be understood in the physical sense, instead Job
                  speaks here of Spirituality (as in our baptism of the HolySpirit).

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Quote (carmel @ April 28 2013,07:37)

jb2u,April wrote: [/quote] Quote Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Jbtu, You and me WILLnever agree in the way WE INTERPRET SCRIPTURES,for the simple reason that you look only from the CONCEPT of a limited ONE God, and I look BOTH from the CONCEPT of ONE MIGHTY GOD,and also that THERE'S NO ONE LIKE HIM AND HE CAN BE WHAT HE CAN BE, SO ALSO A TRIUNE GOD. There's enough proof that the triune concept is throughout scripture and also as you said it is HIDDEN for those who cannot see it! NOW TO THE PARABLE OF THE LEAVEN: Another parable he spoke to them: The kingdom of heaven is like to leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, until the whole was leavened SO ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS MEANT THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE A CORRUPTION , SYMBOLIZED IN THE  LEAVEN , AND AT THE END THE WHOLE KINGDOM IS CORRUPTED! SO JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR NOTHING! IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT FOR YOU THE LEAVEN IS ONLY NEGATIVE, WHICH IN THE TRUTH IT ISN'T! ………. Peace and love in Jesus Charles

I would agree that we will never agree. I see that I take the scriptures for what they say; while, you try to interpret each verse. I can NEVER agree with that!!

There is NO proof that a triune God exists. Yes, I would agree that you can make it appear that there is one, but I could “mess” with scripture to make it say something untrue if I wanted to, too!!

As for the parable of the leaven, no, the Kingdom of God is not like corruption anymore than the Kingdom of God is like the evil sower that sowed the tares!!! Jesus is warning us that there are evil ones that are trying to keep us from getting to the Kingdom!!

No, Jesus did not die for nothing!! He died so those that believe that He, the SON of the living God, died for our sins will have everlasting life!!! (notice that He did not say God the Son or I am God or a part of the triune God). It is a wonderful gift given to those that believe that He is the SON of God…so says Jesus and so says Yahweh!!!

I would not say that I am blind seeing how I can read what the Bible clearly says. Leaven is in the Bible around 30 times and not once is it good!!!

I can also SEE that Jesus said that His FATHER is the ONE and ONLY true God!!!

I can see that Jesus will turn EVERYTHING BACK over to His Father so that GOD can be all in all.

I can see that Jesus will be subject TO God for eternity!!!

I can see that GOD commands Jesus to do things!!

I can see that GOD gives Jesus authority. Which means Jesus is NOT GOD.

I can see that Jesus is NEVER called Yahweh!!

I can see that there is NO mention of a triune God in the early church of the Bible.

I can see that the trinity concept started with a bunch of evil men.

I can see that scripture has been messed with to give the appearance that the trinity is a true doctrine.

I can see that GOD says that everything that Jesus has is because of his obedience to GOD.

I can see that one equals one.

I can see that scripture calls Jesus the Son of God.

I can see the difference between..”Son of God” and “God the Son.”

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:21)

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:14)    they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD Hi JB2U, Are first fruits presented unto the LORD with sin in them?     …I say “No”!      …what say you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The first fruits of the Lord is the Church. And yes, we are sinful. Our sins are forgiven, but NEVER think that we are not sinful. We will become sinless upon receiving our glorified bodies in the presence of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Until then, we have a sin nature!!! So yes, the leaven is still sin.

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:16)

The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes!

Are you taking or giving this advice??

Where was my mistake??

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:21) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:14)    they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD Hi JB2U, Are first fruits presented unto the LORD with sin in them?     …I say “No”!      …what say you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org The first fruits of the Lord is the Church. And yes, we are sinful. Our sins are forgiven, but NEVER think that we are not sinful. We will become sinless upon receiving our glorified bodies in the presence of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Until then, we have a sin nature!!! So yes, the leaven is still sin.

Hi JB2U,

Thank you for addressing the verse.  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:13)

Here is what you asked for… Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.

Exactly, I asked for verses where the leaven is NOT sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy…and you gave me 3 verses where leaven IS sin/false teaching/doctrine/hypocrisy.

Do you understand?? I am asking for verses where leaven is NOT representing sin/false teaching/doctrine/hypocrisy.

[Ed J]

Hi JB2U;

Yes I do take my own advice. Can you now also please address this verse…

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took,
 and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”   (Matt 13:33)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:14)

Hi JB2U; Yes I do take my own advice. Can you now also please address this verse… “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took,  and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”   (Matt 13:33) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

Did you miss my post on this? I already posted what it means.

[Ed J]

Quote (jb2u @ April 29 2013,01:16)

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:14) Hi JB2U; Yes I do take my own advice. Can you now also please address this verse… “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took,  and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”   (Matt 13:33) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J,  Did you miss my post on this? I already posted what it means.

You mean this?

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As for the parable of the leaven, no, the Kingdom of God is not like corruption anymore than the Kingdom of God is like the evil sower that sowed the tares!!! Jesus is warning us that there are evil ones that are trying to keep us from getting to the Kingdom!!

Are you saying the meaning of Matt 13:33 is this?…
(JB2U quote) Jesus is warning us that there are evil ones that are trying to keep us from getting to the Kingdom!!

Can you please elaborate on how what you said connects to Matt 13:33,
because the connection is not such a tidy fit you know.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:26)

Quote (jb2u @ April 29 2013,01:16) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:14) Hi JB2U; Yes I do take my own advice. Can you now also please address this verse… “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took,  and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”   (Matt 13:33) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J,  Did you miss my post on this? I already posted what it means. You mean this? Quote As for the parable of the leaven, no, the Kingdom of God is not like corruption anymore than the Kingdom of God is like the evil sower that sowed the tares!!! Jesus is warning us that there are evil ones that are trying to keep us from getting to the Kingdom!! Are you saying the meaning of Matt 13:33 is this?… (JB2U quote) Jesus is warning us that there are evil ones that are trying to keep us from getting to the Kingdom!! Can you please elaborate on how what you said connects to Matt 13:33, because the connection is not such a tidy fit you know. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, Ed J…it was back on page 34. You posted right under it!! I will copy and paste it here…

Finally, you gave me a verse, Matthew 13:33.

Well you are still making the mistake of isolating a verse and trying to “prove” the trinity. What does this parable mean?

In Scripture, what is leaven, always?? Leaven is always sin and the false teaching/doctrine.

What is “3” in the Bible? It represents completeness.

Now, we do not want to leave a verse in isolation; so, what has Jesus been talking about, before and after this verse? Let's see.

He gives the parable of the sower. This tells us that there are those that hear, but do not understand. Those that hear, but are lukewarm. Those that hear the word, but choose to follow the world. And finally, those that hear the word, understands, and is fruitful.

Next, Jesus tells the parable of the wheat and tares. Again, this parable tells about one that sows good seed and he that sows the bad seed. Note, both GROW together, but one will be destroyed in the Kingdom of GOD!!! This is important!!

We then have the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus tells us about the least of the seeds that GROWS great!!

We then have the parable of the leaven. This one seems odd, right? Now, my GOD is stable and never changing. And so, He has told me over and over leaven is bad.
Proof??
1 Corinthians 5:6-8
Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Galatians 5:9
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Matthew 16:6
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Matthew 16:11
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
Matthew 16:12
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mark 8:15
And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Luke 12:1
In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

So, we see that Jesus clearly tells His apostles that the leaven He is talking about is the false teachings of the Pharisees, Herod, and the Sadducees!!! What can we get from all of this Scripture?? The leaven is false teachings. The woman is the Harlot, the false religion of revelations. She hides the false doctrines in the meal, the church. Three being “completeness” tells me that all of the churches will be affected by this false doctrine. The false teachings will GROW until it turns all the churches to false teachings, leaven!! I can see this today!!

Do you see? Just like the good and bad sower, the wheat and the tares, we have the Good that GROWS to bear good herbs , and we have the Bad that GROWS to corrupt the church as a whole.

Jesus furthers this point with the Parable of the net in verse 47, where the good are kept; while the bad are cast away!!

When you understand that these parables ALL go together and that GOD does not change, you will see the meaning of these parables.

Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!!

Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.

Jesus gave parable after parable comparing the “bad” and the “good.”

The mustard seed is the “wheat” and the leaven is the “tares.”

The mustard seed are those that go out to be fruitful and spread the gospel message.

The leaven is the sin, false doctrine, and hypocrisy that the harlot hides in the good meal in order to corrupt it. And, just like the Scriptures teach, a little bit of sin corrupts the whole body, EVEN the body of Christ (the church!!)!!

In the end, the “net” of the Kingdom of God will be cast. And then, the good (mustard seeds) will be kept while the bad (leaven) will be cast into the lake of fire.

It really is a beautiful SET of parables!! Our God is so Great to give us a choice, but He ensures that we have an INFORMED choice. He tells us what is going to happen to the good and the bad. He is so Great to warn us of the evil doctrines that will invade the church!! He would not have said it, if it weren't so!!!

[Ed J]

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took,
and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matt 13:33)

Could you please explain what Matt.13:33 means?

[jb2u]

Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:48)

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”   (Matt 13:33) Could you please explain what Matt.13:33 means?

Look right above your post!!!

I am going to sleep now. I worked all night. I will try to come back in the morning. Have a blessed day!!!

[jb2u]

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jb2u Quote I consider myself to be a simple man. I have to read the Bible and take it as truth. Where I see an apparent contradiction, I research to find an answer. Where I see ambiguity, I look at the context and scripture “tie in” with other Bible books. Anyway, thank you again for the kind remarks. I give all credit for any knowledge that I have to GOD!! same here love to read your comments

Thank you for the kind remarks.

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:48) “The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”   (Matt 13:33) Could you please explain what Matt.13:33 means? Look right above your post!!! I am going to sleep now. I worked all night. I will try to come back in the morning. Have a blessed day!!!

Hi JB2U,

Can you highlight the three measures of meal explanation?   
    …that is what I'm asking you to explain, and I don't see it in your post.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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