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I agree Mike.
A person who ignores the planks is ignoring the truth and they are doing it to their own detriment.
Yeah, we can all find specks to “prove” just about anything we want in scripture. Most of the nonsensical doctrines being taught today require people to ignore the planks while focusing only on a few, twisted specks.
Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2013,01:54) Quote (david @ April 08 2013,11:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,05:50) Quote (david @ April 04 2013,10:49) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,07:38) Quote (david @ April 03 2013,11:54) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2013,04:51) Quote (david @ April 02 2013,10:17) Does it not seem to all, that true Christians around the world, should generally believe the same things?
David,They will come to learn the one true gospel. The true teachers of God will teach it. They are the good fish.
Ok, then does it seem that the “true teachers” should all be teaching the same things?
David,The good teachers teach the same truth though they do have differences of opinions. For example Paul and Barnabus over Mark.
But Paul and barnabus over mark, was not a belief or Christian teaching. It was a differenc elf opinion really.I prefer blue. You think green is nicer. Doesn't matter.
God burns people in hellfire for eternity. No he doesn't.
Having sex with same gender is acceptable to God. No, it isn't.
God is unknowable impersonal mysterious trinity. No he isn't.These things matter and one teaching one, and one teaching the other means that one is definitely wrong, and the other is right, whereas one preferring blue over green is a matter of preference.
So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?
David,There are teachers that are bad fish and so teach what is not true. Even those that teach what is true but do not do it are bad fish. They are still in the net that is the kingdom of heaven.
There are also good fish that lack knowledge and so teach what they should not teach.
Hi kerwin. See last question in my post that you quoted:“So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?”
What do you think kerwin?
David,There are both true teachers and false teachers in the kingdom at this time. The true teachers either teach what is true or are just students that are seeking the truth and sharing as they learn. There is one God who speaks one truth.
Hi kerwin.I'm really only interested in the true teachers you spoke of:
“The good teachers teach the same truth…”
I wonder what truth they teach. Do they teach the same truth? I mean, if there is truth, and if people all over the world, that know this truth and teach it, then, who are they?
It's fine to say what you say, but in reality, I know of no two people who believe the same thing and yet aren't involved in some sort of organized religion. Organized religion of course makes it easy for everyone connected to it to all believe the same thing, because people who believe differently are removed and what is believed is clearly payed out.
But with individuals connected to no other people, I would find it remarkable or miraculous if they believed e same things (the same truth) on their own.
Are their such people? And, what do they believe?
David.
Quote To some degree there needs to be enough grace to realise that even a true teacher can make mistakes. But I think the difference between a true teacher and a false one is not one of mistakes, but one of ultimate deception verses one of ultimate light. A false teacher is false because their heart is not right. They have selfish ambition, or think they are a god or some kind of star. Whereas a person who is humble, loves God first, loves people as themselves, and teaches what he knows, will make mistakes from time to time, but should ultimately have good things to teach. They would also admit that they do not know some things, and if they were wise would not venture into territory that they do not know anything about.
Isn't a false teacher one that teaches false things?
And a true teacher one who teaches truth?You seem to make it about attitude or heart condition. But a true teacher would speak truth, wouldn't he? If a teacher is teaching (not just believing but teaching) false doctrine, then it's rather hard to call him a true teacher.
Ie: are those who teach the trinity “true teachers”? And if they are, then what exactly would someone have to teach to make them a false teacher?
Quote (david @ April 10 2013,16:31) Isn't a false teacher one that teaches false things?
And a true teacher one who teaches truth?
Hi David,Would you consider incorrect predictions of the end of the world – false teachings?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ April 10 2013,19:26) Hi kerwin. I'm really only interested in the true teachers you spoke of:
“The good teachers teach the same truth…”
I wonder what truth they teach. Do they teach the same truth? I mean, if there is truth, and if people all over the world, that know this truth and teach it, then, who are they?
Jesus is the son of God and the messiah. God sent him into the world and even though the world was made through him, it did not recognise him. But to those who do, and those who receive him, and those that obey his teachings, such are the children of God.david, I would think that a good number of teachers teach this. While they may have personal opinions on some variables, as long as the main message and gospel is being taught and proclaimed, they are teaching the truth.
My guess is that a teacher who focuses on teaching something false, is a false teacher. But a teacher who teaches the truth, while holding a false teaching in their theology, is not necessarily a false teacher.
No one is perfect and that goes for teachers. Some grace has to be applied here. As far as the Trinity goes, most teachers I have met who believe it, actually do not teach it. They might speak it sometimes, but rarely teach it And that is probably because they don't understand it anyway.
But yes they are deceived in that area if they subscribe to a denomination that has the Trinity as their foundation.
But that is the difference between being in a denomination and being part of the Body of Christ. Unfortunately, most believers have one foot in the Body and the other in a denomination. The sooner they realise this, the better it will be for the Body because it can then move closer to being one and that is a better witness for the world to see.
Quote (Ed J @ April 10 2013,20:34) Quote (david @ April 10 2013,16:31) Isn't a false teacher one that teaches false things?
And a true teacher one who teaches truth?
Hi David,Would you consider incorrect predictions of the end of the world – false teachings?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,This isn't the discussion I am having and you seem to have no clue who I am despite me trying to clue you in about 10 times over the past 2 years.
What I am asking kerwin is: if there are people who true teachers and who are teaching truth, then what is that truth?
This isn't an easy question. No one seems to be able to say what truth is or what common truth there is other than the idea that Jesus existed.
Who he was, what he taught, etc, are disagreed upon.
So, if there are people who know truth, what is that truth, and who knows it?
Quote My guess is that a teacher who focuses on teaching something false, is a false teacher. But a teacher who teaches the truth, while holding a false teaching in their theology, is not necessarily a false teacher. My experience is that people in general (maybe not the teachers) believe that if you don't think jesus is god almighty, you aren't a true Christian. I've experienced this numerous times. Maybe I'm just thinking of Catholics.
Quote Jesus is the son of God and the messiah. God sent him into the world and even though the world was made through him, it did not recognise him. But to those who do, and those who receive him, and those that obey his teachings, such are the children of God. Yes, those who obey or follow his teachings. The problem is in the understanding of what they are.
Some would say Jesus taught that he is god almighty. Others, would teach the opposite.It really seems all that most can agree on is that Jesus existed. Certainly more than this belief would be required.
Many will say lord lord, believing in Jesus. It won't mean much.
Yes many Trinitarians hold that view and it is wrong as you know. But I have met Trinitarians that do not hold that view because they can see nothing in scripture that says this.
And you ask 'what is the truth'.
The truth is the testimony of the son.
God sent his son into the world to save the world.
Reject the son means rejecting God.
Accepting the son and his teachings, means you accept God.
I could give a greater explanation, but I would be repeating myself from a post I made on the previous page.
Quote (david @ April 11 2013,09:21) Quote (Ed J @ April 10 2013,20:34) Quote (david @ April 10 2013,16:31) Isn't a false teacher one that teaches false things?
And a true teacher one who teaches truth?
Hi David,Would you consider incorrect predictions of the end of the world – false teachings?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,This isn't the discussion I am having and you seem to have no clue who I am despite me trying to clue you in about 10 times over the past 2 years.
What I am asking kerwin is: if there are people who true teachers and who are teaching truth, then what is that truth?
This isn't an easy question. No one seems to be able to say what truth is or what common truth there is other than the idea that Jesus existed.
Who he was, what he taught, etc, are disagreed upon.
So, if there are people who know truth, what is that truth, and who knows it?
Hi David,False teaching is always outside the domain of one's understanding.
1) OK, I'll bite, who are you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ April 10 2013,11:31) Quote To some degree there needs to be enough grace to realise that even a true teacher can make mistakes. But I think the difference between a true teacher and a false one is not one of mistakes, but one of ultimate deception verses one of ultimate light. A false teacher is false because their heart is not right. They have selfish ambition, or think they are a god or some kind of star. Whereas a person who is humble, loves God first, loves people as themselves, and teaches what he knows, will make mistakes from time to time, but should ultimately have good things to teach. They would also admit that they do not know some things, and if they were wise would not venture into territory that they do not know anything about.
Isn't a false teacher one that teaches false things?
And a true teacher one who teaches truth?You seem to make it about attitude or heart condition. But a true teacher would speak truth, wouldn't he? If a teacher is teaching (not just believing but teaching) false doctrine, then it's rather hard to call him a true teacher.
Ie: are those who teach the trinity “true teachers”? And if they are, then what exactly would someone have to teach to make them a false teacher?
Davidyou do not answer my post why
any way I agree that any who teaches false doctrines is a false teacher ,
but the teacher remains a men ,and it will not be an excuse to be hidden behind for the judgement ,because even though you listen in the meetings of those false teacher ,it will be the scriptures that will condemn you for you have believed the men over your God,,
2Ti 4:2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2Ti 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2Ti 4:5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.THOSE WORDS WERE GIVEN TO ONE SINGLE MEN, THIMOTI
Quote (david @ April 10 2013,11:26) Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2013,01:54) Quote (david @ April 08 2013,11:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,05:50) Quote (david @ April 04 2013,10:49) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,07:38) Quote (david @ April 03 2013,11:54) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2013,04:51) Quote (david @ April 02 2013,10:17) Does it not seem to all, that true Christians around the world, should generally believe the same things?
David,They will come to learn the one true gospel. The true teachers of God will teach it. They are the good fish.
Ok, then does it seem that the “true teachers” should all be teaching the same things?
David,The good teachers teach the same truth though they do have differences of opinions. For example Paul and Barnabus over Mark.
But Paul and barnabus over mark, was not a belief or Christian teaching. It was a differenc elf opinion really.I prefer blue. You think green is nicer. Doesn't matter.
God burns people in hellfire for eternity. No he doesn't.
Having sex with same gender is acceptable to God. No, it isn't.
God is unknowable impersonal mysterious trinity. No he isn't.These things matter and one teaching one, and one teaching the other means that one is definitely wrong, and the other is right, whereas one preferring blue over green is a matter of preference.
So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?
David,There are teachers that are bad fish and so teach what is not true. Even those that teach what is true but do not do it are bad fish. They are still in the net that is the kingdom of heaven.
There are also good fish that lack knowledge and so teach what they should not teach.
Hi kerwin. See last question in my post that you quoted:“So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?”
What do you think kerwin?
David,There are both true teachers and false teachers in the kingdom at this time. The true teachers either teach what is true or are just students that are seeking the truth and sharing as they learn. There is one God who speaks one truth.
Hi kerwin.I'm really only interested in the true teachers you spoke of:
“The good teachers teach the same truth…”
I wonder what truth they teach. Do they teach the same truth? I mean, if there is truth, and if people all over the world, that know this truth and teach it, then, who are they?
It's fine to say what you say, but in reality, I know of no two people who believe the same thing and yet aren't involved in some sort of organized religion. Organized religion of course makes it easy for everyone connected to it to all believe the same thing, because people who believe differently are removed and what is believed is clearly payed out.
But with individuals connected to no other people, I would find it remarkable or miraculous if they believed e same things (the same truth) on their own.
Are their such people? And, what do they believe?
David.
David,The true church is hidden from the serpent in a place prepared for her, her scattered children are in the nations of the wider church being warred upon by the dragon.
If you ask me, then I will say I am coming to know the true gospel. It's purpose is to give those that hunger and thirst for righteousness that is like Jehovah's. Those that do not teach and or believe the way to accomplish that purpose are either bad fish or ignorant.
Note: corrected addressing.
Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2013,13:27) Quote (david @ April 10 2013,11:26) Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2013,01:54) Quote (david @ April 08 2013,11:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,05:50) Quote (david @ April 04 2013,10:49) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,07:38) Quote (david @ April 03 2013,11:54) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2013,04:51) Quote (david @ April 02 2013,10:17) Does it not seem to all, that true Christians around the world, should generally believe the same things?
David,They will come to learn the one true gospel. The true teachers of God will teach it. They are the good fish.
Ok, then does it seem that the “true teachers” should all be teaching the same things?
David,The good teachers teach the same truth though they do have differences of opinions. For example Paul and Barnabus over Mark.
But Paul and barnabus over mark, was not a belief or Christian teaching. It was a differenc elf opinion really.I prefer blue. You think green is nicer. Doesn't matter.
God burns people in hellfire for eternity. No he doesn't.
Having sex with same gender is acceptable to God. No, it isn't.
God is unknowable impersonal mysterious trinity. No he isn't.These things matter and one teaching one, and one teaching the other means that one is definitely wrong, and the other is right, whereas one preferring blue over green is a matter of preference.
So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?
David,There are teachers that are bad fish and so teach what is not true. Even those that teach what is true but do not do it are bad fish. They are still in the net that is the kingdom of heaven.
There are also good fish that lack knowledge and so teach what they should not teach.
Hi kerwin. See last question in my post that you quoted:“So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?”
What do you think kerwin?
David,There are both true teachers and false teachers in the kingdom at this time. The true teachers either teach what is true or are just students that are seeking the truth and sharing as they learn. There is one God who speaks one truth.
Hi kerwin.I'm really only interested in the true teachers you spoke of:
“The good teachers teach the same truth…”
I wonder what truth they teach. Do they teach the same truth? I mean, if there is truth, and if people all over the world, that know this truth and teach it, then, who are they?
It's fine to say what you say, but in reality, I know of no two people who believe the same thing and yet aren't involved in some sort of organized religion. Organized religion of course makes it easy for everyone connected to it to all believe the same thing, because people who believe differently are removed and what is believed is clearly payed out.
But with individuals connected to no other people, I would find it remarkable or miraculous if they believed e same things (the same truth) on their own.
Are their such people? And, what do they believe?
David.
Mike,The true church is hidden from the serpent in a place prepared for her, her scattered children are in the nations of the wider church being warred upon by the dragon.
If you ask me, then I will say I am coming to know the true gospel. It's purpose is to give those that hunger and thirst for righteousness that is like Jehovah's. Those that do not teach and or believe the way to accomplish that purpose are either bad fish or ignorant.
Kerwin, you were probably responding to me, not mike.So, people on this board. Are there any on here who are “true teachers”?
Are you a true teacher? Is t8 a true teacher? Etc?
Quote False teaching is always outside the domain of one's understanding. –Ed
I'm not certain Ed has ever said anything as profound.
Everyone always believes:
1. Their own beliefs are right
2. Beliefs of others who disagree are wrongStudies have been done on “choice blindness” using trickery where a person is made to believe that they believe something they don't (by means of a tricky questionnaire.). Later, they see the answers they didn't actually give and are asked to explain them. They will then 1/3 of the time defend the position they were 5 minutes ago arguing against ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE FALSELY CONVINCED THAT THEY THEM SELF BELIEVED THAT THING!!!
This has been done with appearance, taste (jams) and even beliefs.
For me, it seems that because of pride, and a hundred illogical reasonings, people are highly motivated to believe what they want to believe and what they already believe.
Quote (david @ April 11 2013,09:21) Ed, you seem to have no clue who I am despite me trying to clue you in about 10 times over the past 2 years.
Hi David,OK, you addressed the first part, now please do tell WHO ARE YOU? …I really want to know!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ April 12 2013,04:55) Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2013,13:27) Quote (david @ April 10 2013,11:26) Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2013,01:54) Quote (david @ April 08 2013,11:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,05:50) Quote (david @ April 04 2013,10:49) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,07:38) Quote (david @ April 03 2013,11:54) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2013,04:51) Quote (david @ April 02 2013,10:17) Does it not seem to all, that true Christians around the world, should generally believe the same things?
David,They will come to learn the one true gospel. The true teachers of God will teach it. They are the good fish.
Ok, then does it seem that the “true teachers” should all be teaching the same things?
David,The good teachers teach the same truth though they do have differences of opinions. For example Paul and Barnabus over Mark.
But Paul and barnabus over mark, was not a belief or Christian teaching. It was a differenc elf opinion really.I prefer blue. You think green is nicer. Doesn't matter.
God burns people in hellfire for eternity. No he doesn't.
Having sex with same gender is acceptable to God. No, it isn't.
God is unknowable impersonal mysterious trinity. No he isn't.These things matter and one teaching one, and one teaching the other means that one is definitely wrong, and the other is right, whereas one preferring blue over green is a matter of preference.
So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?
David,There are teachers that are bad fish and so teach what is not true. Even those that teach what is true but do not do it are bad fish. They are still in the net that is the kingdom of heaven.
There are also good fish that lack knowledge and so teach what they should not teach.
Hi kerwin. See last question in my post that you quoted:“So, do you think that true teachers would not all be teaching e same things?”
What do you think kerwin?
David,There are both true teachers and false teachers in the kingdom at this time. The true teachers either teach what is true or are just students that are seeking the truth and sharing as they learn. There is one God who speaks one truth.
Hi kerwin.I'm really only interested in the true teachers you spoke of:
“The good teachers teach the same truth…”
I wonder what truth they teach. Do they teach the same truth? I mean, if there is truth, and if people all over the world, that know this truth and teach it, then, who are they?
It's fine to say what you say, but in reality, I know of no two people who believe the same thing and yet aren't involved in some sort of organized religion. Organized religion of course makes it easy for everyone connected to it to all believe the same thing, because people who believe differently are removed and what is believed is clearly payed out.
But with individuals connected to no other people, I would find it remarkable or miraculous if they believed e same things (the same truth) on their own.
Are their such people? And, what do they believe?
David.
Mike,The true church is hidden from the serpent in a place prepared for her, her scattered children are in the nations of the wider church being warred upon by the dragon.
If you ask me, then I will say I am coming to know the true gospel. It's purpose is to give those that hunger and thirst for righteousness that is like Jehovah's. Those that do not teach and or believe the way to accomplish that purpose are either bad fish or ignorant.
Kerwin, you were probably responding to me, not mike.So, people on this board. Are there any on here who are “true teachers”?
Are you a true teacher? Is t8 a true teacher? Etc?
David,Sorry, I seemed to have been more tired than I thought and so I misaddressed my post.
David
Quote So, people on this board. Are there any on here who are “true teachers”? I think and believe that I am a teacher that teaches what is true to the scriptures ,
David,
Quote Kerwin, you were probably responding to me, not mike. So, people on this board. Are there any on here who are “true teachers”?
Are you a true teacher? Is t8 a true teacher? Etc?
I am afraid to call myself a true teacher as they have a higher standard of judgement.
I disagree with the teaching of t8 and others though I converse with those Jehovah chooses to put in front of me to converse with.
I speak what I have learned so far and seek to learn more.
Somethings are obvious and yet men debate them. For example seeking God's righteousness means seeking sinlessness and yet there are people who claim they are saved in their sins. If a teacher comes and teaches that you that you can continue to sin as an unbeliever does then they are lying. Jesus stated that his people's righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees. The Pharisees had an outer righteousness that many in the church of today lack.
Test what you hear and/or believe to see if it comes from God or from man.
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