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Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2009,03:34) The non-trinitarians have no meaningful history or legacy of any kind except STIRRING UP TROUBLE. And “Seeking” is the master on this board.
So you are saying that the Jews have no meaningful history or legacy of any kind.The Jewish faith is strictly non-Trinitarian. They believe God is one, not triune. God never chastised them for not believing in the Trinity Doctrine. Their chastisement only comes from their rejection of the messiah.
I know for sure now that you are not a thinker as you call yourself.
Your argument is not only wrong, but it sounds quite desperate too.
To my non-trinitarian brethren,
I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.
Forgive me,
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2009,13:40) To my non-trinitarian brethren, I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.
Forgive me,
thinker
I respect your humility and maturity to respond in this manner.Blessings,
Seeking
Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2009,08:40) To my non-trinitarian brethren, I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.
Forgive me,
thinker
Hi thethinker:I have made many mistakes since my conversion experience including misunderstanding scripture, and therefore, I have had to ask for forgiveness many a time. Sometimes this was very difficult for me to do since I thought what I was doing was correct.
I respect you for acknowledging that you have made mistake and I do forgive you.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (thethinker @ April 10 2009,08:40) To my non-trinitarian brethren, I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.
Forgive me,
thinker
I totally respect your honesty and good will.Thanks.
=Quote (t8 @ April 10 2009,13:08) Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2009,08:40) To my non-trinitarian brethren, I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.
Forgive me,
thinker
I totally respect your honesty and good will.Thanks.
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I agree!thinker……..good form brother, i wish we all were more like that when we are shown the truth, this site could advance to a unity of Faith. The point you conceded to was easily to prove as T8 did, but because of all the false doctrines taught in religions and influencing of texts more confusion exists today then ever. But there is a basic tenet, if something doesn't makes sense it probably not true.Sometimes we have to step back and use common sense and look at scripture with our GOD GIVEN REASONING to see what is LOGICAL or not. To me the whole thing of the trinity and preexistences in NOT LOGICAL, and can not be introduced with out some form of confusions, and speculations there is simply no reason for such. Anyway i wish everything else was as easily explained as what you conceded to. Again brother “good form”.
with much love and peace to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote (david @ April 12 2009,12:14) I think this thread should be closed on grounds that is insanely absurd. david.
David,
I agree. For as long as this thread remains open I am reminded of the fact that my non-trinitarian brethren served me a huge piece of humble pie. I am still feeling the gastro-intestinal effects.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2009,03:34) TRINITARIANISM: Quote Basil of Caesarea, also called Saint Basil the Great… was the bishop of Caesarea Mazaca in Cappadocia, Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). He was an influential 4th century Christian theologian and monastic. Theologically, Basil was a supporter of the Nicene faction of the church, in opposition to Arianism on one side and the followers of Apollinaris of Laodicea on the other. His ability to balance his theological convictions with his political connections made Basil a powerful advocate for the Nicene position. In addition to his work as a theologian, Basil was known for his care of the poor and underprivileged….
See Wiklipedia on St. Basil.
Okay, St. Basil was an advocate of the Nicene creed which was trinitarian. And he cared for the poor and under priviledged.
St. Basil founded the FIRST hospital,
Quote The first hospital was built by St. Basil in Caesarea of Cappadicia about A.D. 369….the building of Christian hospitals continued. This Trinitarian's work led to the founding of more hospitals,
Quote St. Chrysostom (d 407), the patriarch of the Eastern church, had hospitals built in Constantinople in the late fourth and early fifth centuries…. The work of these two Trinitarians led to what we know and enjoy as hospitals today
Quote By the sixth century , hospitals had become a part of monasteries. Hence, by the middle of the sixth century in most of Christendom, in the East and the West, “hospitals were securely established” (How Christianity Changed the World p. 156-157, Zondervan Press) NON-TRINITARIANISM:
Quote There is quite a long list of Non-Trinitarian conflicts in the 1990s. Taking a shortcut from A to Z, we can see that Afghanistan is still a hotbed of conflict — between tribal militias, a group of religious extremists backed by a foreign power, and is host to malcontents supporting terrorism or conflicts elsewhere in the world. Algeria has seen Islamic Fundamentalists (initially with broad public support) pitted against a government and military that lacked it.
Leaping ahead to Zaire (or the Congo, or whatever it is today), we have a mix of Tribal militias, seven different armies from six nearby nations; criminal gangs, private security groups, guerrillas supported by a refugee population… and a situation where alliances change with little notice. Going on to Zimbabwe, last year saw a government at war with its own people — using mobs of political cadres to commit arson, rape and murder, while its military was busy over the border in Zaire.
Elsewhere in the world, there are bandits and pirates, armed criminal cartels, terrorists, insurgents, tribal militias, guerrillas and a host of other armed groups. There are militaries that serve no governments and governments that fight their own people. The purposes and methods of all these different combatants are as varied as the rules they operate under.
You can imagine — or have been in — situations where one faction is an ally in the morning, hostile in the afternoon, and neutral at night. Or you’ve been where you need the cooperation of Faction A, but they are opposed to Faction B, who support Faction C, who belong to the same Tribe as Faction D, who are coreligionists with Faction E, who supply Faction A with the proceeds of narcotics grown by Faction F. Is all that clear? Now it is 2000 Hours, and a drunken party of scruffy individuals with rusty AK-47s is approaching your checkpoint…
A theology that has no practical value is wrong. And any interpretation of God's essence that contributes nothing to the well being of humanity, but promotes misunderstanding and war must be discarded at once.
Non-trinitarianism has no practical value. Therefore, NON-TRINITARIANISM IS NON-RELEVANT.
While Trinitarians were building hospitals to care for the infirmed and dying the non-trinitarians continued to start wars. And all their violence goes back to their war cry “God is ONE.”
The non-trinitarians have no meaningful history or legacy of any kind except STIRRING UP TROUBLE. And “Seeking” is the master on this board.
thinker
as a Trinitarian, I am sorry to not be able to join you in thinking that this argument is valid against non-Trinitarianism. It seems to me, no offense intended, that the approach is just not rational. The thing is people have been caring for the sick in various ways for as long as there have been humans. In South America we have evidence of early forms of brain surgery for example, yet these ancient South American peoples were not Trintiarians. Whether or not they called the place where the sick went to be healed “hospitals” or not is no material. Besides, Communistic God-hating regimes in China and the Soviet Union do build and maintain hospitals to this very day, which, I am afraid, invalidates this approach.
If non-Trinitarianism is false (and it is), it is false not for pragmatic reasons…. whether or not it “works”… but because the bible affirms Trinitarianism, in which case, it does.
blessings,
ken
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