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Quote (t8 @ May 28 2013,20:37) Quote (Colter @ May 27 2013,00:38) If you were correct, then if Jesus did send you an advanced revelation of truth, your “technique” for assessing truth would deny you the opportunity simply because God doesn't do things your way. Just so you are aware, the Jews very much considered Christianity to be a fringe cult of followers of a “clever” carpenter, familiar to many in the lower class neighborhood of Nazereth. They just see the cult as having grown much larger, breaking up into many pieces, fighting amongst themselves.
Just like you t8, the Jews have self satisfying, scripture based arguments as to why Jesus was a cult leader, a false Messiah, cleverly misleading gullible people into new age, strange teachings.
Colter
Colter. It is more to do with the fact that we have had prophets and the son come into the world and give is the word of YHWH over a period of thousands of years. Then your science fiction book comes along and claims these books of the Bible are not true and that this new book is. I mean how gullible do you think we are.Given that thinking you could equally believe any other book that claims the same thing of which there are many and of which yours in insignificant. Even the Divine Principles is probably more known of than the Uranta or whatever it is called. I mean I don't even know how to spell it.
Your book that claims to be the most truth and persecutes the Bible are in this company:
The Koran
Divine Principles
Book of MormonI am sure there are many others that were supposedly inspired by angels, aliens, and demons and I am sure there are many to come and some are probably in progress as I speak.
t8, again, I didn't say the Bible is all wrong, the Bible in it's current size (it used to include other books) has been rewritten a number of times, at different ages, under different political and religious regimes.There are many fantastic truths in the Bible, as well as fragments of other great transactions of that past, that were lost up until the Urantia revelation.
(1004.6) 92:2.3 When modern man wonders at the presentation of so much in the scriptures of different religions that may be regarded as obscene, he should pause to consider that passing generations have feared to eliminate what their ancestors deemed to be holy and sacred. A great deal that one generation might look upon as obscene, preceding generations have considered a part of their accepted mores, even as approved religious rituals. A considerable amount of religious controversy has been occasioned by the never-ending attempts to reconcile olden but reprehensible practices with newly advanced reason, to find plausible theories in justification of creedal perpetuation of ancient and outworn customs.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,13:07) Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,15:33) Jesus was saying to
Nathanial that he was mature enough to handle the truth.
And the angels, or whoever, that delivered the UB were saying that ANYONE WHO CAN READ is now “mature enough to handle the truth”?I'll get to the rest later. I've read most of your lasted UB quote, but I'm tired now.
That's a good question, maybe the answer is that the UB is so spectacular, so different, that most people who believe in Bible perfection theory will reject the UB. Like Jesus told Pilate, “If I tell you, you will not believe me; and if I ask you, you will not answer.”Nobody here on the forum believes me, so you are safe.
Colter
Since this thread is about Atheism I thought I should quote a piece from the UB about the atheist doctrines which the UB refers to as “materialism” (not the money kind but the anti-spiritualism kind). I’ve known of a number of former Atheist who became staunch believers as the result of reading the Urantua Book.
You may find something in here useful when being attacked by the Atheist doctrines of doubt:
Materialism
(2076.6) 195:6.1 Scientists have unintentionally precipitated mankind into a materialistic panic; they have started an unthinking run on the moral bank of the ages, but this bank of human experience has vast spiritual resources; it can stand the demands being made upon it. Only unthinking men become panicky about the spiritual assets of the human race. When the materialistic-secular panic is over, the religion of Jesus will not be found bankrupt. The spiritual bank of the kingdom of heaven will be paying out faith, hope, and moral security to all who draw upon it “in His name.”
(2076.7) 195:6.2 No matter what the apparent conflict between materialism and the teachings of Jesus may be, you can rest assured that, in the ages to come, the teachings of the Master will fully triumph. In reality, true religion cannot become involved in any controversy with science; it is in no way concerned with material things. Religion is simply indifferent to, but sympathetic with, science, while it supremely concerns itself with the scientist.
(2076.8) 195:6.3 The pursuit of mere knowledge, without the attendant interpretation of wisdom and the spiritual insight of religious experience, eventually leads to pessimism and human despair. A little knowledge is truly disconcerting.
(2076.9) 195:6.4 At the time of this writing the worst of the materialistic age is over; the day of a better understanding is already beginning to dawn. The higher minds of the scientific world are no longer wholly materialistic in their philosophy, but the rank and file of the people still lean in that direction as a result of former teachings. But this age of physical realism is only a passing episode in man’s life on earth. Modern science has left true religion — the teachings of Jesus as translated in the lives of his believers — untouched. All science has done is to destroy the childlike illusions of the misinterpretations of life.
(2077.1) 195:6.5 Science is a quantitative experience, religion a qualitative experience, as regards man’s life on earth. Science deals with phenomena; religion, with origins, values, and goals. To assign causes as an explanation of physical phenomena is to confess ignorance of ultimates and in the end only leads the scientist straight back to the first great cause — the Universal Father of Paradise.
(2077.2) 195:6.6 The violent swing from an age of miracles to an age of machines has proved altogether upsetting to man. The cleverness and dexterity of the false philosophies of mechanism belie their very mechanistic contentions. The fatalistic agility of the mind of a materialist forever disproves his assertions that the universe is a blind and purposeless energy phenomenon.
(2077.3) 195:6.7 The mechanistic naturalism of some supposedly educated men and the thoughtless secularism of the man in the street are both exclusively concerned with things; they are barren of all real values, sanctions, and satisfactions of a spiritual nature, as well as being devoid of faith, hope, and eternal assurances. One of the great troubles with modern life is that man thinks he is too busy to find time for spiritual meditation and religious devotion.
(2077.4) 195:6.8 Materialism reduces man to a soulless automaton and constitutes him merely an arithmetical symbol finding a helpless place in the mathematical formula of an unromantic and mechanistic universe. But whence comes all this vast universe of mathematics without a Master Mathematician? Science may expatiate on the conservation of matter, but religion validates the conservation of men’s souls — it concerns their experience with spiritual realities and eternal values.
(2077.5) 195:6.9 The materialistic sociologist of today surveys a community, makes a report thereon, and leaves the people as he found them. Nineteen hundred years ago, unlearned Galileans surveyed Jesus giving his life as a spiritual contribution to man’s inner experience and then went out and turned the whole Roman Empire upside down.
(2077.6) 195:6.10 But religious leaders are making a great mistake when they try to call modern man to spiritual battle with the trumpet blasts of the Middle Ages. Religion must provide itself with new and up-to-date slogans. Neither democracy nor any other political panacea will take the place of spiritual progress. False religions may represent an evasion of reality, but Jesus in his gospel introduced mortal man to the very entrance upon an eternal reality of spiritual progression.
(2077.7) 195:6.11 To say that mind “emerged” from matter explains nothing. If the universe were merely a mechanism and mind were unapart from matter, we would never have two differing interpretations of any observed phenomenon. The concepts of truth, beauty, and goodness are not inherent in either physics or chemistry. A machine cannot know, much less know truth, hunger for righteousness, and cherish goodness.
(2077.8) 195:6.12 Science may be physical, but the mind of the truth-discerning scientist is at once supermaterial. Matter knows not truth, neither can it love mercy nor delight in spiritual realities. Moral convictions based on spiritual enlightenment and rooted in human experience are just as real and certain as mathematical deductions based on physical observations, but on another and higher level.
(2077.9) 195:6.13 If men were only machines, they would react more or less uniformly to a material universe. Individuality, much less personality, would be nonexistent.
(2077.10) 195:6.14 The fact of the absolute mechanism of Paradise at the center of the universe of universes, in the presence of the unqualified volition of the Second Source and Center, makes forever certain that determiners are not the exclusive law of the cosmos. Materialism is there, but it is not exclusive; mechanism is there, but it is not unqualified; determinism is there, but it is not alone.
(2078.1) 195:6.15 The finite universe of matter would eventually become uniform and deterministic but for the combined presence of mind and spirit. The influence of the cosmic mind constantly injects spontaneity into even the material worlds.
(2078.2) 195:6.16 Freedom or initiative in any realm of existence is directly proportional to the degree of spiritual influence and cosmic-mind control; that is, in human experience, the degree of the actuality of doing “the Father’s will.” And so, when you once start out to find God, that is the conclusive proof that God has already found you.
(2078.3) 195:6.17 The sincere pursuit of goodness, beauty, and truth leads to God. And every scientific discovery demonstrates the existence of both freedom and uniformity in the universe. The discoverer was free to make the discovery. The thing discovered is real and apparently uniform, or else it could not have become known as a thing.
7. The Vulnerability of Materialism
(2078.4) 195:7.1 How foolish it is for material-minded man to allow such vulnerable theories as those of a mechanistic universe to deprive him of the vast spiritual resources of the personal experience of true religion. Facts never quarrel with real spiritual faith; theories may. Better that science should be devoted to the destruction of superstition rather than attempting the overthrow of religious faith — human belief in spiritual realities and divine values.(2078.5) 195:7.2 Science should do for man materially what religion does for him spiritually: extend the horizon of life and enlarge his persona
lity. True science can have no lasting quarrel with true religion. The “scientific method” is merely an intellectual yardstick wherewith to measure material adventures and physical achievements. But being material and wholly intellectual, it is utterly useless in the evaluation of spiritual realities and religious experiences.(2078.6) 195:7.3 The inconsistency of the modern mechanist is: If this were merely a material universe and man only a machine, such a man would be wholly unable to recognize himself as such a machine, and likewise would such a machine-man be wholly unconscious of the fact of the existence of such a material universe. The materialistic dismay and despair of a mechanistic science has failed to recognize the fact of the spirit-indwelt mind of the scientist whose very supermaterial insight formulates these mistaken and self-contradictory concepts of a materialistic universe.
(2078.7) 195:7.4 Paradise values of eternity and infinity, of truth, beauty, and goodness, are concealed within the facts of the phenomena of the universes of time and space. But it requires the eye of faith in a spirit-born mortal to detect and discern these spiritual values.
(2078.8) 195:7.5 The realities and values of spiritual progress are not a “psychologic projection” — a mere glorified daydream of the material mind. Such things are the spiritual forecasts of the indwelling Adjuster, the spirit of God living in the mind of man. And let not your dabblings with the faintly glimpsed findings of “relativity” disturb your concepts of the eternity and infinity of God. And in all your solicitation concerning the necessity for self-expression do not make the mistake of failing to provide for Adjuster-expression, the manifestation of your real and better self.
(2079.1) 195:7.6 If this were only a material universe, material man would never be able to arrive at the concept of the mechanistic character of such an exclusively material existence. This very mechanistic concept of the universe is in itself a nonmaterial phenomenon of mind, and all mind is of nonmaterial origin, no matter how thoroughly it may appear to be materially conditioned and mechanistically controlled.
(2079.2) 195:7.7 The partially evolved mental mechanism of mortal man is not overendowed with consistency and wisdom. Man’s conceit often outruns his reason and eludes his logic.
(2079.3) 195:7.8 The very pessimism of the most pessimistic materialist is, in and of itself, sufficient proof that the universe of the pessimist is not wholly material. Both optimism and pessimism are concept reactions in a mind conscious of values as well as of facts. If the universe were truly what the materialist regards it to be, man as a human machine would then be devoid of all conscious recognition of that very fact. Without the consciousness of the concept of values within the spirit-born mind, the fact of universe materialism and the mechanistic phenomena of universe operation would be wholly unrecognized by man. One machine cannot be conscious of the nature or value of another machine.
(2079.4) 195:7.9 A mechanistic philosophy of life and the universe cannot be scientific because science recognizes and deals only with materials and facts. Philosophy is inevitably superscientific. Man is a material fact of nature, but his life is a phenomenon which transcends the material levels of nature in that it exhibits the control attributes of mind and the creative qualities of spirit.
(2079.5) 195:7.10 The sincere effort of man to become a mechanist represents the tragic phenomenon of that man’s futile effort to commit intellectual and moral suicide. But he cannot do it.
(2079.6) 195:7.11 If the universe were only material and man only a machine, there would be no science to embolden the scientist to postulate this mechanization of the universe. Machines cannot measure, classify, nor evaluate themselves. Such a scientific piece of work could be executed only by some entity of supermachine status.
(2079.7) 195:7.12 If universe reality is only one vast machine, then man must be outside of the universe and apart from it in order to recognize such a fact and become conscious of the insight of such an evaluation.
(2079.8) 195:7.13 If man is only a machine, by what technique does this man come to believe or claim to know that he is only a machine? The experience of self-conscious evaluation of one’s self is never an attribute of a mere machine. A self-conscious and avowed mechanist is the best possible answer to mechanism. If materialism were a fact, there could be no self-conscious mechanist. It is also true that one must first be a moral person before one can perform immoral acts.
(2079.9) 195:7.14 The very claim of materialism implies a supermaterial consciousness of the mind which presumes to assert such dogmas. A mechanism might deteriorate, but it could never progress. Machines do not think, create, dream, aspire, idealize, hunger for truth, or thirst for righteousness. They do not motivate their lives with the passion to serve other machines and to choose as their goal of eternal progression the sublime task of finding God and striving to be like him. Machines are never intellectual, emotional, aesthetic, ethical, moral, or spiritual.
(2079.10) 195:7.15 Art proves that man is not mechanistic, but it does not prove that he is spiritually immortal. Art is mortal morontia, the intervening field between man, the material, and man, the spiritual. Poetry is an effort to escape from material realities to spiritual values.
(2080.1) 195:7.16 In a high civilization, art humanizes science, while in turn it is spiritualized by true religion — insight into spiritual and eternal values. Art represents the human and time-space evaluation of reality. Religion is the divine embrace of cosmic values and connotes eternal progression in spiritual ascension and expansion. The art of time is dangerous only when it becomes blind to the spirit standards of the divine patterns which eternity reflects as the reality shadows of time. True art is the effective manipulation of the material things of life; religion is the ennobling transformation of the material facts of life, and it never ceases in its spiritual evaluation of art.
(2080.2) 195:7.17 How foolish to presume that an automaton could conceive a philosophy of automatism, and how ridiculous that it should presume to form such a concept of other and fellow automatons!
(2080.3) 195:7.18 Any scientific interpretation of the material universe is valueless unless it provides due recognition for the scientist. No appreciation of art is genuine unless it accords recognition to the artist. No evaluation of morals is worth while unless it includes the moralist. No recognition of philosophy is edifying if it ignores the philosopher, and religion cannot exist without the real experience of the religionist who, in and through this very experience, is seeking to find God and to know him. Likewise is the universe of universes without significance apart from the I AM, the infinite God who made it and unceasingly manages it.
(2080.4) 195:7.19 Mechanists — humanists — tend to drift with the material currents. Idealists and spiritists dare to use their oars with intelligence and vigor in order to modify the apparently purely material course of the energy streams.
(2080.5) 195:7.20 Science lives by the mathematics of the mind; music expresses the tempo of the emotions. Religion is the spiritual rhythm of the soul in time-space harmony with the higher and eternal melody measurements of Infinity. Religious experience is something in human life which is truly supermathematical.
(2080.6) 195:7.21 In language, an alphabet represents the mechanism of materialism, while the words expressive of the meaning of a thousand thoughts, grand ideas, and noble ideals — of love and hate, of cowardice and courage — represent the performances of mind within the scope defined by both material and spiritual law, directed by the assertion of the will o
f personality, and limited by the inherent situational endowment.(2080.7) 195:7.22 The universe is not like the laws, mechanisms, and the uniformities which the scientist discovers, and which he comes to regard as science, but rather like the curious, thinking, choosing, creative, combining, and discriminating scientist who thus observes universe phenomena and classifies the mathematical facts inherent in the mechanistic phases of the material side of creation. Neither is the universe like the art of the artist, but rather like the striving, dreaming, aspiring, and advancing artist who seeks to transcend the world of material things in an effort to achieve a spiritual goal.
(2080.8) 195:7.23 The scientist, not science, perceives the reality of an evolving and advancing universe of energy and matter. The artist, not art, demonstrates the existence of the transient morontia world intervening between material existence and spiritual liberty. The religionist, not religion, proves the existence of the spirit realities and divine values which are to be encountered in the progress of eternity.UB
Colter
8. Secular Totalitarianism
(2081.1) 195:8.1 But even after materialism and mechanism have been more or less vanquished, the devastating influence of twentieth-century secularism will still blight the spiritual experience of millions of unsuspecting souls.
(2081.2) 195:8.2 Modern secularism has been fostered by two world-wide influences. The father of secularism was the narrow-minded and godless attitude of nineteenth- and twentieth-century so-called science — atheistic science. The mother of modern secularism was the totalitarian medieval Christian church. Secularism had its inception as a rising protest against the almost complete domination of Western civilization by the institutionalized Christian church.
(2081.3) 195:8.3 At the time of this revelation, the prevailing intellectual and philosophical climate of both European and American life is decidedly secular — humanistic. For three hundred years Western thinking has been progressively secularized. Religion has become more and more a nominal influence, largely a ritualistic exercise. The majority of professed Christians of Western civilization are unwittingly actual secularists.
(2081.4) 195:8.4 It required a great power, a mighty influence, to free the thinking and living of the Western peoples from the withering grasp of a totalitarian ecclesiastical domination. Secularism did break the bonds of church control, and now in turn it threatens to establish a new and godless type of mastery over the hearts and minds of modern man. The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism no sooner frees man from the domination of the institutionalized church than it sells him into slavish bondage to the totalitarian state. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery.
(2081.5) 195:8.5 Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him; at least that was the earlier attitude. More recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth-century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster.
(2081.6) 195:8.6 Secularism can never bring peace to mankind. Nothing can take the place of God in human society. But mark you well! do not be quick to surrender the beneficent gains of the secular revolt from ecclesiastical totalitarianism. Western civilization today enjoys many liberties and satisfactions as a result of the secular revolt. The great mistake of secularism was this: In revolting against the almost total control of life by religious authority, and after attaining the liberation from such ecclesiastical tyranny, the secularists went on to institute a revolt against God himself, sometimes tacitly and sometimes openly.
(2081.7) 195:8.7 To the secularistic revolt you owe the amazing creativity of American industrialism and the unprecedented material progress of Western civilization. And because the secularistic revolt went too far and lost sight of God and true religion, there also followed the unlooked-for harvest of world wars and international unsettledness.
(2081.8) 195:8.8 It is not necessary to sacrifice faith in God in order to enjoy the blessings of the modern secularistic revolt: tolerance, social service, democratic government, and civil liberties. It was not necessary for the secularists to antagonize true religion in order to promote science and to advance education.
(2082.1) 195:8.9 But secularism is not the sole parent of all these recent gains in the enlargement of living. Behind the gains of the twentieth century are not only science and secularism but also the unrecognized and unacknowledged spiritual workings of the life and teaching of Jesus of Nazareth.
(2082.2) 195:8.10 Without God, without religion, scientific secularism can never co-ordinate its forces, harmonize its divergent and rivalrous interests, races, and nationalisms. This secularistic human society, notwithstanding its unparalleled materialistic achievement, is slowly disintegrating. The chief cohesive force resisting this disintegration of antagonism is nationalism. And nationalism is the chief barrier to world peace.
(2082.3) 195:8.11 The inherent weakness of secularism is that it discards ethics and religion for politics and power. You simply cannot establish the brotherhood of men while ignoring or denying the fatherhood of God.
(2082.4) 195:8.12 Secular social and political optimism is an illusion. Without God, neither freedom and liberty, nor property and wealth will lead to peace.
(2082.5) 195:8.13 The complete secularization of science, education, industry, and society can lead only to disaster. During the first third of the twentieth century Urantians killed more human beings than were killed during the whole of the Christian dispensation up to that time. And this is only the beginning of the dire harvest of materialism and secularism; still more terrible destruction is yet to come.UB
Colter
(1260.5) 115:1.4 The realms of the finite exist by virtue of the eternal purpose of God. Finite creatures, high and low, may propound theories, and have done so, as to the necessity of the finite in the cosmic economy, but in the last analysis it exists because God so willed. The universe cannot be explained, neither can a finite creature offer a rational reason for his own individual existence without appealing to the prior acts and pre-existent volition of ancestral beings, Creators or procreators.
(1228.4) 112:2.9 The possession of personality identifies man as a spiritual being since the unity of selfhood and the self-consciousness of personality are endowments of the supermaterial world. The very fact that a mortal materialist can deny the existence of supermaterial realities in and of itself demonstrates the presence, and indicates the working, of spirit synthesis and cosmic consciousness in his human mind.
(1228.5) 112:2.10 There exists a great cosmic gulf between matter and thought, and this gulf is immeasurably greater between material mind and spiritual love. Consciousness, much less self-consciousness, cannot be explained by any theory of mechanistic electronic association or materialistic energy phenomena.
(1228.6) 112:2.11 As mind pursues reality to its ultimate analysis, matter vanishes to the material senses but may still remain real to mind. When spiritual insight pursues that reality which remains after the disappearance of matter and pursues it to an ultimate analysis, it vanishes to mind, but the insight of spirit can still perceive cosmic realities and supreme values of a spiritual nature. Accordingly does science give way to philosophy, while philosophy must surrender to the conclusions inherent in genuine spiritual experience. Thinking surrenders to wisdom, and wisdom is lost in enlightened and reflective worship.
(1228.7) 112:2.12 In science the human self observes the material world; philosophy is the observation of this observation of the material world; religion, true spiritual experience, is the experiential realization of the cosmic reality of the observation of the observation of all this relative synthesis of the energy materials of time and space. To build a philosophy of the universe on an exclusive materialism is to ignore the fact that all things material are initially conceived as real in the experience of human consciousness. The observer cannot be the thing observed; evaluation demands some degree of transcendence of the thing which is evaluated.
Colter
Quote (t8 @ May 20 2013,15:43) If there was no God, then there would be no Atheists because the opposite of God is nothing and nothing does nothing and nothing doesn’t create Atheists
never could tolerate long winded speeches………..T8 aren't you a theist? :0)
Quote (Colter @ May 22 2013,00:30) Atheism is Faith in the doctrines of doubt. Lucifer became and atheist, he also lost Faith in the unseen Father.
Colter
Lucifer never became an atheist nor did he lose faith in God. Lucifer isn't an enemy of God he is your enemy he doesn't believe in you and this act is an act of treason because his doubt was in the creation of Man which God made Good.An Atheist does't believe in the existence of God it has nothing to do with doubt that would be an agnostic who says “I don't know”
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 31 2013,13:42) Quote (Colter @ May 22 2013,00:30) Atheism is Faith in the doctrines of doubt. Lucifer became and atheist, he also lost Faith in the unseen Father.
Colter
Lucifer never became an atheist nor did he lose faith in God. Lucifer isn't an enemy of God he is your enemy he doesn't believe in you and this act is an act of treason because his doubt was in the creation of Man which God made Good.An Atheist does't believe in the existence of God it has nothing to do with doubt that would be an agnostic who says “I don't know”
The Urantia revelation revealed that Lucifer was an ascendent creation, that is to say that he knew his creator Son Michael, but lived by faith in the unseen God. He fell in love with himself and attempted to take over the world.Colter
Quote (t8 @ May 31 2013,13:11) If you understood my post you would have the answer. 
Strange isn't it T8, you are one that was an atheist at one time then believed in god.
Quite the opposites aren't we.Oh by the way is not every human born an atheist? ;o)
I believed in God when I was very young even though I was brought up an Atheist. I lost that faith by the time I went to school and regained it in my 20s. Since that time, I have tasted of the Kingdom to come and nothing in this world compares to the Kingdom of God.
I wasn't just a passive Atheist either.
I was like Stu. I loved to engage in debates with those who had faith and I even successfully talked one of friends out of believing in God.
The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material.
Colter
Quote (t8 @ June 01 2013,23:34) I believed in God when I was very young even though I was brought up an Atheist. I lost that faith by the time I went to school and regained it in my 20s. Since that time, I have tasted of the Kingdom to come and nothing in this world compares to the Kingdom of God.
See opposites. Raised and keep the faith until a few years ago. I can emphathize with tasting something new and never going back…..quite refreshing.Some things change however some things remain the same.
I really see no reason to try to talk someone out of anything they believe in. With a pure heart and thought on the matter change will not come, no matter what is said or even what is done.
I wonder why people stop searching for answers, do they become content, get all comfy and cozy?
Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,23:55) The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material. Colter
I tend to disagree. There are things in this world that cannot be explained. Then again this phrase can be used throughout history until they were discovered.Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,07:34) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,23:55) The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material. Colter
I tend to disagree. There are things in this world that cannot be explained. Then again this phrase can be used throughout history until they were discovered.Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
hi princesshow are you doing
hope all is good in your family ,Quote christians wait for god to tell them. this is wrong ;the true Christian do not wait BUT PRACTICE WHAT GOD AS ALREADY GIVEN ,AND BY DOING SO FIND NEW UNDERSTANDING OF TRUTH
Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,12:34) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,23:55) The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material. Colter
I tend to disagree. There are things in this world that cannot be explained. Then again this phrase can be used throughout history until they were discovered.Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
There is the realm of the mechanical, material and the realm of the spirit. Atheism is the absurd doctrine of doubt or denial that their is a spiritual realm because pessimism itself should be proof enough that the world in not entirely mechanical.Colter
Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2013,14:19) hi princess how are you doing
hope all is good in your family ,Quote christians wait for god to tell them. this is wrong ;the true Christian do not wait BUT PRACTICE WHAT GOD AS ALREADY GIVEN ,AND BY DOING SO FIND NEW UNDERSTANDING OF TRUTH
Hey T, all is well as I hope to find you.How can there be new truth when god has already given it?
This is where different doctrines, faiths and denomination arise because of this thought. But no church or denomination tend to think that they are part of the warning to the churches in revelatioins? Why is that?
Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:06) Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,12:34) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,23:55) The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material. Colter
I tend to disagree. There are things in this world that cannot be explained. Then again this phrase can be used throughout history until they were discovered.Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
There is the realm of the mechanical, material and the realm of the spirit. Atheism is the absurd doctrine of doubt or denial that their is a spiritual realm because pessimism itself should be proof enough that the world in not entirely mechanical.Colter
I can see by your use of adjectives that you are aggressive towards atheist. Noted.Have you ever gone beyond conversations with an atheist that did not involve religion as a subject? Then how can you come to such a conclusion?
It seems that sometimes people tend to go big and forget about the little things in life.
and thanks Colter for not posting a mini series for your answer.
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