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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2010,19:31) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2010,08:40) after the flood the angels could not materialize themself, look at Job,this is a good example,Satan himself ,but how did he test Job ;yes there were wicket people on earth this is true ,also superstitious people yes,but were are the angels ?gone Peter say they(demons) hold up in dungeons,they angel wen back in heaven i do not think they wen back in front of God that much was lost to them.
Hi Pierre,I hear you and understand what you're saying. But consider this: There is no scripture that says God forbid the angels from materializing, that's just in your head. In fact, in Job, Satan told God he had been roaming throughout the earth to and fro. It doesn't say he was “materialized”, but it also doesn't say he wasn't.
Also, if all these “bad angels” were “locked up”, then who were the demons that Jesus and the Apostles freed people of?
Does it make sense that God would say, “No more mating with humans…………but feel free to possess them”?
Just some food for thought my friend.
peace and love,
mike
Mikeit may be so;Ex 22:19 “Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death.(SAME FOR ANGELS)
Heb 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking
2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinnedWEN WAS THAT ?? THAT THEY SIN???
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
why would you think that it is not the same for angels ??
I have now some food for you;;Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever
consider this verse;this verse is talking about whom ??
is it man ? but man was not living forever did he??
not one lived past 1000 years unless you call that forever.but the angels were living with men they did not die like man
or did they??
wen the nephilim fight together or between them self those were spirits no? half spirit and half men and so could die ?
what was there length of live ??
Goliath (David) was a nephilim but compered to the offspring of the angels and a women ,he was in strength out beat by a mile,
and i do not say that Satan did corrupt himself this was not his type of corruption,he wanted to like God.
PS; you did not answer me on ” the Septuagint “translation version,so
Pierre
Quote (Pierre @ 1) “Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death.(SAME FOR ANGELS)
Jesus said angels are immortal, right? Can they “die”?Quote (Pierre @ 2) Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
But what about the angels that the disciples continued to expel from humans even after this? Any angel can sin at any time. And judging from what the ones who talked to Jesus said, there was to be a day for their punishment. Because many asked him if he was there to punish them before the appointed time, right?Quote (Pierre @ 3) I have now some food for you;;Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever consider this verse;this verse is talking about whom ??
is it man ? but man was not living forever did he??
not one lived past 1000 years unless you call that forever.
That's funny. I thought about this one myself last night Pierre.
Would the Nephilim have lived forever if not for the flood? If that is what that scripture means, then you have been right all along. But IS that what the scripture means? It seems to me that angels must live by means of the same spirit of God that we live by. And if the Nephilim wouldn't have ever died, then maybe that's why God said what he did. But then again, if they can't die, how did a flood kill them? Ahhhhhhh! Too many questions!
Quote (Pierre @ 4) PS; you did not answer me on ” the Septuagint “translation version,so
Post it for me and ask a DIRECT question. Sometimes you are vague and ask “What do you think of this scripture?” And I rarely know what you mean or what you're looking for in particular.peace and love,
mikeMike
first the nephilim halve breed ,wen the flood came there spirit ad to get out that body and so became demon ,wandering spirit ,being not spirit or totally human and then would have die anyway.
those are the spirits that even today get in people if invited by that person.but can no longer materialize them ,they never could it was only the angels who produce them that could but after the flood this God has stopped.
I believe that ;Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever
the 120 years is the time that God as allowed himself to deal with the problem and 20 years later God contacted Noah to built the Ark.and 100 years later came the flood.
the scripture i was talking about is;in the previous page on Gen;6-4 but the the Septuagint “translation version
that at the spelling of the “falling ones”” remember now???Pierre
Mike
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Terra,
When the Angels came down from Heaven, abandoning their posts, they created humanlike bodies for themselves and mated with human women.What do you think? that invisible, bodyless spirits 'walked' on the earth ravishing women as they pleased…must have been a shock, or a thrill, for the women to be having carnal sex with an invisible bodyless spirit, and then finding themselves pregnant, busting them out giving birth to giant babies.
When American soldiers went to Korea they too had carnal knowledge of the much smaller Korean women. The babies that resulted in the death of many korean women in childbirth and generated a small race of much larger Koreans.Terra, i'm not going into what the Nephilims did after the flood nor whether they still exist today..
To me, that is of no interest…understand this: JustAskin is not interested, not that any one else should not be…
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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2010,04:49) Terra,
When the Angels came down from Heaven, abandoning their posts, they created humanlike bodies for themselves and mated with human women.
Now if it was only SCRIPTURAL!Listen Pierre, I know you agree with JA on this. But you must know in your heart that it is only how your human brain makes sense of a spirit mating with a human.
They could have raped these women as invisible beings. Back when I watched this kind of movie, I saw one called “The Entity”. In it was a very graphic scene of a human women being raped by a spirit being that neither she nor the viewer could see. It is a possibility after all.
Another one is that these angels, who have always had bodies, just step into our dimension from theirs – making themselves immdiately visible to us once they entered our “realm”.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,20:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2010,04:49) Terra,
When the Angels came down from Heaven, abandoning their posts, they created humanlike bodies for themselves and mated with human women.
Now if it was only SCRIPTURAL!Listen Pierre, I know you agree with JA on this. But you must know in your heart that it is only how your human brain makes sense of a spirit mating with a human.
They could have raped these women as invisible beings. Back when I watched this kind of movie, I saw one called “The Entity”. In it was a very graphic scene of a human women being raped by a spirit being that neither she nor the viewer could see. It is a possibility after all.
Another one is that these angels, who have always had bodies, just step into our dimension from theirs – making themselves immdiately visible to us once they entered our “realm”.
mike
Mikenow you amaze me,first you agree with JA that the nephilim were there before and after the flood,because of those two words;and also afterward””
wen i ask to look into the “the Septuagint “translation version
“you play indifference,
wen i show you that JA change is view point on the nephilim,you respond with “movies “to tell you the truth I do not watch
that type of movies at all,those are dream makers for dreamers;I have given you many scriptures but i guess they are useless in your eyes
so I will no longer deal in this subject to me it is closed.
Pierre
You have given me NO scripture, LXX or otherwise, that specifically says there weren't Nephilim after the flood.
When you do, I will make a decision on this subject. But until then, I will remain hopelessly “undecided”.
I suggest you do the same. In the absence of CLEAR scriptural teaching on something, then all we have to go on is our own flawed human understanding. And to claim that flawed understanding as a FACT is wrong. It is better to say, “It could be this way, but then again it could be that way. IMO
peace and love,
mike
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