Nephilim are they all the same??

[terraricca]

all

are all nephilims the same ,sons of Anak??

Ge 6:1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Ge 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
Ge 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.INV

Nu 13:30 Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, “We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it.”
Nu 13:31 But the men who had gone up with him said, “We can’t attack those people; they are stronger than we are.”
Nu 13:32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size.
Nu 13:33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” NIV

Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown.

And the Lord God having seen that the wicked actions of men were multiplied upon the earth, and that every one in his heart was intently brooding over evil continuallv,
then God laid it to heart that he had made man upon the earth, and he pondered it deeply;;English translation of the Septuagint

Num 13:32 But the men that went up together with him said, We will not go up, for we shall not by any means be able to go up against the nation, for it is much stronger than we. Num 13:33 And they brought a horror of that land which they surveyed upon the children of Israel, saying, The land which we passed by to survey it, is a land that eats up its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of extraordinary stature. Num 13:34 And there we saw the giants; and we were before them as locusts, yea even so were we before them.

English translation of the Septuagint

is this saying the samething???

Pierre

[Baker]

Pierre

The giants that existed before the flood, came from the “sons of God” (angels) that left their own habitation (heaven) Jude 1:6, to mingle (marry) the woman on earth; they created giants.
The giants mentioned in Num. 13:33 are not the same giants, as all flesh was destroyed by the flood.
Goliath was a giant and had four brothers just as tall, and there are tall people on the earth today, and there are little people.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 27 2010,15:48)

Pierre The giants that existed before the flood, came from the “sons of God” (angels) that left their own habitation (heaven) Jude 1:6, to mingle (marry) the woman on earth; they created giants. The giants mentioned in Num. 13:33 are not the same giants, as all flesh was destroyed by the flood. Goliath was a giant and had four brothers just as tall, and there are tall people on the earth today, and there are little people. Georg

Georg

I totally agree with you ,some look in scriptures and i have seen that there is a difference between the KJV,NIV,
and the English translation of the Septuagint
that s why i have copy them to show the difference

some people like Justasking believe they are the same before and after the flood,

but you are right,

Pierre

[terraricca]

all

do we still have giants ,today and what could we say is the size of a giant??7″ or 8″

Pierre

[terraricca]

all

I mean 7 feet or 8 feet

Pierre

[shimmer]

Nephilim – possibly – were not Giants, the word could have meant something else. If you look into it properly.

Nephilim could be here today. As in the days of Noah so shall it be.

Look around at the world and what is happening, what is influencing these things ?

Revelations 13 And I saw come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs — for they are spirits of demons, doing signs — which go forth unto the kings of the earth, and of the whole world, to bring them together to the battle of that great day of God the Almighty; —

[terraricca]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 28 2010,19:55)

Nephilim – possibly – were not Giants, the word could have meant something else. If you look into it properly. Nephilim could be here today. As in the days of Noah so shall it be. Look around at the world and what is happening, what is influencing these things ? Revelations 13 And I saw come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs — for they are spirits of demons, doing signs — which go forth unto the kings of the earth, and of the whole world, to bring them together to the battle of that great day of God the Almighty; —

shimmer

no,no this is something else,got nothing to do with nephilim

see scriptures,means giant,

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 28 2010,12:55)

Nephilim – possibly – were not Giants, the word could have meant something else. If you look into it properly. Nephilim could be here today. As in the days of Noah so shall it be. Look around at the world and what is happening, what is influencing these things ? Revelations 13 And I saw come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs — for they are spirits of demons, doing signs — which go forth unto the kings of the earth, and of the whole world, to bring them together to the battle of that great day of God the Almighty; —

You mean, Rev. 16.

Georg

[terraricca]

JA

so do you still believe that the nephilim before the flood are the same than after the flood???

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pierre,

You know where I stand on this from the many pm's we've had about this subject.  But I thought I'd put it out here in the open anyway.

First of all, I don't think the truth of the matter would disturb the way any of us worship God through His Son and Messiah, so this is just my opinion.

I understand Moses to be saying that the Nephilim were in the world in the days before the flood…….AND ALSO AFTERWARD in Gen 6:4.

I think Moses might have included that “and also afterward” because he knew the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim, and he says so in Numbers 13:33.

At first I thought I had read a scripture where God had forbid the angels from mating with humans after the flood, but that “scripture” apparently doesn't exist anywhere except in my imagination.

In the absence of this scripture, there is nothing I find in the Bible that says the Nephilim were the reason for the deluge at all.  And there is nothing to imply that angels couldn't have mated with humans again after the flood.

And since there is nothing that says there can't be Nephilim after the flood, I take Moses' words “and also afterwards” and “the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim” to mean there were Nephilim after the flood.

I might be wrong, but like I said, I don't think this fact changes anything we have to do to be saved.  It is merely for discussional purposes.

peace and love,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2010,19:51)

Hi Pierre, You know where I stand on this from the many pm's we've had about this subject.  But I thought I'd put it out here in the open anyway. First of all, I don't think the truth of the matter would disturb the way any of us worship God through His Son and Messiah, so this is just my opinion. I understand Moses to be saying that the Nephilim were in the world in the days before the flood…….AND ALSO AFTERWARD in Gen 6:4. I think Moses might have included that “and also afterward” because he knew the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim, and he says so in Numbers 13:33. At first I thought I had read a scripture where God had forbid the angels from mating with humans after the flood, but that “scripture” apparently doesn't exist anywhere except in my imagination. In the absence of this scripture, there is nothing I find in the Bible that says the Nephilim were the reason for the deluge at all.  And there is nothing to imply that angels couldn't have mated with humans again after the flood. And since there is nothing that says there can't be Nephilim after the flood, I take Moses' words “and also afterwards” and “the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim” to mean there were Nephilim after the flood. I might be wrong, but like I said, I don't think this fact changes anything we have to do to be saved.  It is merely for discussional purposes. peace and love, mike

Mike

what I try to say is that you have taken a bad translation ;;
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Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown.

And the Lord God having seen that the wicked actions of men were multiplied upon the earth, and that every one in his heart was intently brooding over evil continually,
then God laid it to heart that he had made man upon the earth, and he pondered it deeply;
;English translation of the Septuagint

this does not separate the words to mean ,afterward, it is part of the sentence to show what happen after the angel got involve with the women of men.

just keep notice it seem that no offspring of those giants are recorded,they are like the offspring of horse and ass=mule hybrid
Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2010,13:18)

this does not separate the words to mean ,afterward, it is part of the sentence to show what happen after the angel got involve with the women of men.

Hi Pierre,

But to understand it your way would mean that Moses said there were giants in the world already. Then afterward, when the angels got together with human women, they produced a “different kind” of giant, right?

Who produced these giants that were in the world BEFORE the angels got together with human women and produced giants?

mike

[shimmer]

Hi.

Matthew 24:38
'For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ship.

Genesis 6:1-4
When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

And then there was the flood.
As it was before the flood….Marrying and giving in marriage..
Marriage has always existed. Why mention marriage ?
If you think Nephillim were Giants of Height, you could be mistaken.

Search Youngs Literal and you wont find the word Giant's at all.

Heres the Young Literal Translation (Translated from the original Hebrew)

Genesis 6:1
The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them — they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

It says 'fallen ones' not giants.

Numbers 13:33 – Youngs Literal Translation
The land into which we passed over to spy it, is a land eating up its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in its midst are men of stature; And there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

Stature
1. The natural height of a human or animal in an upright position.

2. An achieved level; status.

High level of respect gained by impressive development or achievement; “a man of great stature”
esteem, respect, regard – the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or well regarded); “it is held in esteem”; “a man who has earned high regard”

And this goes better with this…Genesis 6:..'They are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name' (YLT)

[mikeboll64]

Hi Shimmer,

“Nephilim” is the same Hebrew word in Genesis and Numbers. I wonder why Young would translate it as one thing in Gen and something else in Numbers? Any idea?

peace and love,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,18:38)

Hi Shimmer, “Nephilim” is the same Hebrew word in Genesis and Numbers.  I wonder why Young would translate it as one thing in Gen and something else in Numbers?  Any idea? peace and love, mike

Mike

if this translation is correct what i believe it is ,because it is totaly in harmony of the rest of scriptures and it make sence.

3And Jehovah saith, `My Spirit doth not strive in man — to the age; in their erring they [are] flesh:' and his days have been an hundred and twenty years.

4The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them — they [are] the heroes, who, from of old, [are] the men of name.

5And Jehovah seeth that abundant [is] the wickedness of man in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart only evil all the day;

6and Jehovah repenteth that He hath made man in the earth, and He grieveth Himself — unto His heart.

this is R Young translation;;

this shows that first it talks about the angels that have fallen,by being mix with humans,then it talks about there offspting the GIANTs
and those are by name only Giants (nephilim)

in Nub;13;33

Nu 13:33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
Jos 15:13 In accordance with the LORD'S command to him, Joshua gave to Caleb son of Jephunneh a portion in Judah—Kiriath Arba , that is, Hebron. (Arba was the forefather of Anak.)

could you make sence Mike in this?? to me it got nothing to do with before the flood,

just a name meaning GIANT thats all.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pierre,

I'll ask you what I asked Shimmer. If it's the same exact Hebrew word in Gen and Num, why translate it as two different things?

mike

[shimmer]

Mike, I have no idea on the wording which you said.

But did you know conspiracy theorists believe the Nephillim are here today.

Do a google on 'nephilim are here rh negative blood'.

RH negative blood is found in only 15% of all blood types. The remaining 85% of the world are RH Positive. RH stands for Rhesus Monkey. Most people have this Monkey factor to their blood, the negatives do not.

No one knows where Rh negative blood came from; but it was not of an earthly origin, and it cannot be cloned.

And then there is Haemolytic disease.

All animals and other living creatures known to man can breed with any other of their species. Relative size and color makes no difference. Why does infant's haemolytic disease occur in humans if all humans are the same species? Haemolytic disease is the allergic reaction that occurs when an Rh negative mother is carrying a Rh positive child. Her blood builds up antibodies to destroy an ALIEN substance (the same way it would a virus), thereby destroying the infant. Why would a mother's body reject her own offspring? Nowhere else in nature does this occur naturally. This same problem does occur in mules – a cross between a horse and donkey. This fact alone points to the distinct possibility of a cross-breeding between two similar but genetically different species.

Not only this, but RH negatives have similarities. Eyes which change color, psychic abilities, feeling different than others, etc,

In Enoch, the Fallen Angels or Nephilim taught men things. From memory, they taught men how to use the earth. How to make weapons, how woman can beautify themselves. Look at the world today, at how fast things have happened. Weapons of mass destruction, Television, Internet, powerfull world leaders etc.  

Probably just another conspiracy theory, but you never know.

Thats all I have to say on this though. I need to stick with just one or two threads.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,18:38)

Hi Shimmer, “Nephilim” is the same Hebrew word in Genesis and Numbers.  I wonder why Young would translate it as one thing in Gen and something else in Numbers?  Any idea? peace and love, mike

Mike

I can not answer you now ,
but as for Nub;13;33 I can tell you the word can not or should not be the same,

the reason for it is that ;
Jos 15:13 In accordance with the LORD'S command to him, Joshua gave to Caleb son of Jephunneh a portion in Judah—Kiriath Arba , that is, Hebron. (Arba was the forefather of Anak.)

the Anak did not came from angels they were the offspring of another, unless Arba was a angel?? not to my knowledge.

after the flood the angels could not materialize themself, look at Job,this is a good example,Satan himself ,but how did he test Job ;yes there were wicket people on earth this is true ,also superstitious people yes,but were are the angels ?gone Peter say they(demons) hold up in dungeons,they angel wen back in heaven i do not think they wen back in front of God that much was lost to them.

but yes today we can be influenced by angels bad ones and good ones,this depend what you are on the inside.

after all this still Satan kingdom it looks like him anyway.

so the Anak are big framed people look at the Zulus almost 7 foot is the norm,

for now;

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Hi Shimmer,

That is wild about the mules, huh?  Who knows?  And I'm going to read Enoch sometime.  I read a couple of chapters at Ed's urging, and came across something interesting.

You know how Moses told God he didn't want to speak to Pharaoh because he was “uncircumcised of toungue”?  Enoch tells of an angel touching Moses' lips with a hot coal when he was a child to save his life. And he ended up with a deformed mouth after that.  Cool, huh?  After all, it was men who decided what went in the canon and what didn't, right?  Whose to say we can't learn much from Enoch?  Jude quotes him, and I think Paul mentions him too.  It seems his book was regularly read and believed in Biblical times.

Oh, I almost forgot.  Moses was actually being saved by the angel……….FROM BALAAM OF PEOR.  That's the guy that gave the Israelites a blessing from God instead of the curse that Balaak paid him to put on them.  I had always wondered why they speak poorly of him in the NT, when scripture doesn't say anything except that he blessed them instead of cursing them.  But in that chapter I read of Enoch, he was the one trying to have Pharoah kill the baby Moses.  So adding that info, the harsh words about him in the NT started to make sense.

Anyway, thanks for the info.  Maybe we'll both read Enoch and discuss it someday.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2010,08:40)

after the flood the angels could not materialize themself, look at Job,this is a good example,Satan himself ,but how did he test Job ;yes there were wicket people on earth this is true ,also superstitious people yes,but were are the angels ?gone Peter say they(demons) hold up in dungeons,they angel wen back in heaven i do not think they wen back in front of God that much was lost to them.

Hi Pierre,

I hear you and understand what you're saying.  But consider this:  There is no scripture that says God forbid the angels from materializing, that's just in your head.  In fact, in Job, Satan told God he had been roaming throughout the earth to and fro.  It doesn't say he was “materialized”, but it also doesn't say he wasn't.

Also, if all these “bad angels” were “locked up”, then who were the demons that Jesus and the Apostles freed people of?  

Does it make sense that God would say, “No more mating with humans…………but feel free to possess them”?  

Just some food for thought my friend.

peace and love,
mike

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