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Hi Marty, I am not going to agree with you my friend. In the beginning the Word was God and was with God. That was His glory in the beginning according to the Scriptures and I don't have to read anything else into the Scriptures or make them fit my theology. It's quite simple really.
Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,16:48) Hi Marty, I am not going to agree with you my friend. In the beginning the Word was God and was with God. That was His glory in the beginning according to the Scriptures and I don't have to read anything else into the Scriptures or make them fit my theology. It's quite simple really.
Hi Oxy:If you read the scriptures in context, you will find that you are misunderstanding what Jesus said.
Just quoted a scripture on the preexistence thread that say that Adam called his wife Eve because she was the mother of all living.
That would indicate that Jesus did not preexist as a living being prior to his birth from the virgin Mary.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Oxy,
The Spirit of Christ was there.
Jesus was irrelevant to history without the anointing of the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,10:16) Hi Oxy,
The Spirit of Christ was there.
Jesus was irrelevant to history without the anointing of the Spirit.
Jesus was The manifestation of The Word of God.If he is a manifestation of YHVH The Source of all things.
He could do nothing without the source annointing him with the power to do so.
but to say he was irrelevant before then is blasphemy.
Even if he had not of been annointed, he still was The Manifestation of The Word of God.
and scripture shows us that The Word of God, created all creation.
because we are to understand that, The Word of God is God expressed to creation.
So to say Jesus was irrelevant is to say The Word of God is too, and is to say creation and all life and god's plans and works are too irelevant.
Those are big words, you should repent.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,15:27) Hi RM,
The Son of Mary worked in His Father's power and name.
I don't disagree.The father is the source of all, The word of God directly comes from that source.
Jesus Christ is the manifestation of The Word of God.
To say he was irrelevant, would be blaspheme against God's plan, works, and name.
For through his son was salvation found.
Hi RM,
God was allowed to visit His people in the wonderful submitted vessel.
God wants to continue that work through us.Quote (RokkaMan @ July 07 2010,18:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,15:27) Hi RM,
The Son of Mary worked in His Father's power and name.
I don't disagree.The father is the source of all, The word of God directly comes from that source.
Jesus Christ is the manifestation of The Word of God.
To say he was irrelevant, would be blaspheme against God's plan, works, and name.
For through his son was salvation found.
Well done RM.Hi Oxy,
Know the Spirit that anointed Jesus.
God wants His Spirit to save, unite and work through all menQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,18:25) Hi Oxy,
Know the Spirit that anointed Jesus.
God wants His Spirit to save, unite and work through all men
Amen Nick. The Father sent the Holy Spirit to achieve that.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,19:47) Hi Oxy,
We are the people of the one God of Israel.
Polytheism is anathema.
Yes Nick, one God, Father, Word and Holy Spirit. Just like you are one.. body, soul and spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,20:47) Hi Oxy,
Why would you divide what is One?
Jesus is one of us made different by God's Spirit.
No, Jesus was The Word of God manifested as a man.He was one of God. Humbled to be MADE like one of us.
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He came from heaven, was humbled to be a man, born of a virgin birth.
Was the first and only begotten son of God.
and his blood was and is the atonement for ALL the sins of mankind.
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He wasn't one of us made different.
He was different made to be one of us.
RM………..Wrong , Jesus is (NOT) the WORD , He Spoke the Words GOD the FATHER Gave him to Speak to US, but that does not make his the words he spoke to us. Why don;t you believe what he said , He clearly said the word i am speaking to you are (NOT) MY WORD. Now how does that fit into you assumptions?
peace and love………………….gene
RM………..'HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) LORD”, not two or three anythings right? Jesus is the spokesmen not the source of the words he spoke. IMO
peace and love…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2010,01:48) RM………..Wrong , Jesus is (NOT) the WORD , He Spoke the Words GOD the FATHER Gave him to Speak to US, but that does not make his the words he spoke to us. Why don;t you believe what he said , He clearly said the word i am speaking to you are (NOT) MY WORD. Now how does that fit into you assumptions? peace and love………………….gene
Well first off they are not assumptions.They are clearly illustrated in John 1, that The Word of God was made flesh, dwelled amongst us, and we beheld his glory as the only begotten son of God.
If you do not believe Jesus Christ is The Wordof God made flesh, then you are not a christian.
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We already know The Word of God is God revealed to creation.It does not encompass the totality of YHVH.
So of course YHVH is the source, and The Word of YHVH is The Source Revealed to creation.
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So Jesus being the incarnation of The Word of God, is REVEALING GOD to mankind.
He is not the source (YHVH) himself.
He is YHVH revealed in creation.
He is the highest we can possibly perceive as God, for mankind cannot perceive YHVH himself.
He is invisible to every sense we have.
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So why don't you believe Jesus when he says, If you have seen the son you have seen the father?
Does that not mean that, The Word of God manifested as the Son is God revealed to creation?
So if you can perceive God in The Son, you have also perceived YHVH The Source?
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