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Hi,
My concern is with the continued questioning of the integrity of the whole bible.
Some pick out OT leaders and accuse them of all sorts of nonspiritual things. Others point to Paul, Peter, John, Luke, Matthew etc suggesting they are out of line.The whole of the bible is inspired and when one work of the Spirit of God is attacked the whole work of the Spirit is also.
God wants us to accept the whole of His revelation and treasure all His works done through His Holy vessels.
2Peter1
“16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Hi Colter,
I have moved your quote to here from the other thread“I'm not sure why your using “all or nothing” words, Jesus revealed the Father in the spiritual truths that he taught and lived. The “word of God” is the “living presence” of God, that presence is manifest in the life of believers, it's not merely a set of rules or petrified doctrine.
The NT was written by men and reflects how those men viewed the meaning of Jesus life, with the exception of Jesus own words.
The river bed is not the river, the apostles heeled, not by their own power but as that desire to heal was consistent with the will of God. However, as we know so many people seek signs and wonders rather then to surrender to the spirit within.”
So is the Spirit of God within all men and able to be accessed by all?
Were the observations of the apostles unreliable human interpretations?
How can you be sure then they quoted exactly correctly the words of Jesus?
Were the works done by the apostles done in the power of God within them or not?
Can we be free and easy with the recorded scriptures or should we treat them as God's words?Paul says
Ephesians 1:1
“Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus,”
Jesus says
Revelation 2
To the church in Ephesus
1″To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands: 2I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.Paul says
2 Timothy 1
15You know that everyone in the province of Asia has deserted me
An account of Paul at Ephesus
Acts 19
Paul in Ephesus
8Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God. 9But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way.
(Or maligned HIS way?)
Another Ephesian reaction to Paul
Acts 21:27-29
And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him. crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the Law, and this place: and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” (For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
Paul to the Ephesians: “I am an apostle of Jesus”
The Ephesians to Paul: “No you're not.”
Jesus to the Ephesians: “Well done!”
Hi SOL,
The enemies of Christ hate Paul.
His writings from the Spirit of God accuse them.
He was a worker approved of God if not of men.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 28 2007,10:08) Hi SOL,
The enemies of Christ hate Paul.
His writings from the Spirit of God accuse them.
He was a worker approved of God if not of men.
For the record I dont hate Paul.In fact, I wish I could trust Paul completely. I like much of what Paul said and I believe much of what he said is good. He was after all teaching some of what the Nazarene movement taught.
Unfortunately, the evidence seems to point towards him creating a splinter group from the original Nazarene movement as founded by Jesus and his disciples.
Hi SOL,
Sorry but God does not give us vessels that offer both sweet water and salty.
You must find the answers that explain your misunderstandings as the lack is always in us.
Jesus did not found a movement but a kingdom and establish a church of living stones – the new templeHi,
Is 1.18 mentioned the competitive approach of men.
Paul was clearly more than familiar with the demands of competitive sport.1Tim4
8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.2Tim4
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:1 Corinthians 9:24
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.1 Corinthians 9:26
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:Galatians 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,Galatians 5:7
Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?Philippians 2:16
Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
It doesn't say “some Scripture” It doesn't say “all Scripture except some of Paul's writings”
Quote (Son of Light @ Dec. 28 2007,10:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 28 2007,10:08) Hi SOL,
The enemies of Christ hate Paul.
His writings from the Spirit of God accuse them.
He was a worker approved of God if not of men.
For the record I dont hate Paul.In fact, I wish I could trust Paul completely. I like much of what Paul said and I believe much of what he said is good. He was after all teaching some of what the Nazarene movement taught.
Unfortunately, the evidence seems to point towards him creating a splinter group from the original Nazarene movement as founded by Jesus and his disciples.
Hi SOL,
No Paul was not a humanistic cult member.
He served God in Christ
very well.Now what of you?
Nick said:
Quote We should be like Paul and claim the gospel of God we have to preach to our hearts as our own. Nick,
Your comment above is a misrepresentation of Paul's “my gospel” statement. It was his own because Christ had revealed it to him and no other man before him. We don't make it “our own” Come on!thinker
Nick said:
Quote I would hope you too would treasure the gospel given us to share. Of course I treasure the gospel. Why would I be on this board defending it? I have even confronted the pastors and the elders at my church when I have seen any deviation from Paul's gospel.
thinker
Son of Light said:
Quote Unfortunately, the evidence seems to point towards him [Paul] creating a splinter group from the original Nazarene movement as founded by Jesus and his disciples. You're right. And he created that “splinter group” as the result of direct revelation he received from Christ. Hebrews also says this,
Quote Therefore, leaving the doctrine of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection…. So Paul was not alone. The author to the Hebrews also wanted the gospel message to apply to all men of all races. Paul's gospel applies to all men. But the gospel of Christ and His disciples was for the house of Israel alone.
thinker
Hi,
Is Christ divided like your gospel?1 Corinthians 1:13
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 30 2009,05:15) Hi,
Is Christ divided like your gospel?1 Corinthians 1:13
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Nick,
You replied to none of my points. Jesus preached only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Then Paul came along and extended the covenant to Gentiles as well. Yet your only reply is “Is Christ divided”? What does this have to do with the historical facts?Jesus' Gospel: Israel alone
Paul's gospel: All races of men
Yet you think this is dividing Christ? Geez!!!
thinker
Nick said:
Quote Same gospel.
One kingdom of God.
Different audiences according to the mercy offer of GodNick,
Paul's gospel was not the same as Jesus' gospel. Jesus commanded Israel to “repent and be baptized”. Paul taught faith alone to all men of all races. The “repent and be baptized” gospel of Jesus was interim for Israel. Paul's “faith alone” gospel is everlasting for all races of men.blessings,
thinker
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