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Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 31 2006,03:03) Hey Nick, “It sees what is not written and proclaims it as true[like trinity”
You mean like Matt5:19?
Hi kenrch,
All scripture is true, but not all applies to me or you.
The laws of Sweden do not apply to us and it would be irrelevant if I told you to disobey them. The road driving laws do not apply to my 4yo grandson so who cares if I tell him to drive on the wrong side of the road.Hey Ramblinrose,
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Thanks everyone else for your responses
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JOHN 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.ROMANS 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,ROMANS 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:ROMANS 6:14-15
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.GALATIANS 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.GALATIANS 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.The Law is good, it was given by God.
Men are by nature bad, that was given to us by sin. (we inheirited it)
Without Law there is no transgression.
Without transgression there is no sin.
He who can keep the whole Law is justified in the sight of God.
There is only one person I know of who accomplished this.
Through him we inherit a heavenly nature, by a rebirth in the inner man.
The Law is still good, our outer man is still by nature in sin, and Grace therefore abounds.Hi Malcolm,
Of course there is conscience too.Gentiles were always under corrupted conscience and thus perish apart from the Law [Rom 2.12]. That is unless they find mercy, or show their conscience is still intact by their actions [Rom 2.14-15]. That is why we all need to find salvation in Christ.
Conscience, the inner Law, surely ruled from Adam to Moses and again the inner Law, instructed by the Spirit, from the time of Christ for those in him.
Nick
Of course there is conscience too.
That is correct, the Law would not work without it.
But human conscience apart from the Spirit of God to guide it is at best humanism or man made religion. Having a conscience just allows us to be condemned when faced with the truths contained in any of God's laws.
Men who have no conscience do not regard the law have no fear of God and are worse than animals – because animals cannot be immoral – no conscience.
I believe that because we have a conscience it lies within the nature of man to want to worsip . But without the knowledge of God in Spirit and Truth, men go a million divergent and wrong ways.
All the time striving to follow conscience, all the time sincere, yet sincerely wrong.Concience, the inner Law, surely ruled from Adam to Moses and again the inner Law, instructed by the Spirit, from the time of Christ for those in him.
Concsience will always concede to the Law of Christ when instructed by the Spirit of God, but without a nature change by rebirth having a conscience only serves to condemn us.
Hi,
I love the words of Paul. They are of course the words of Christ is him or we would not put them alongside those of Christ as of equal value, as catholicism does with those of the apostles. But some struggle with him.Peter warned us we can do so but reassured us he was speaking in the wisdom of God so we must allow that wisdom to change us and not constrict the Spirit according to our natural minds.
2Peter 3
” 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction”
Hi,
The gospel Paul preached was not his own.
He preached what he had been shown by Christ and that one gospel united Jew and gentile.Nick.
Christ sent Paul to the nations, and also..”of which I (Paul) became a dispencer, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, TO COMPLETE THE WORD OF GOD- the secret which has been concealed from the eons and from the generations, yet now was made manifest to His saints, to whom God wills to make known what are the glorious riches of this SECRET among the nations, which is: Christ among you, the expectation of glory – Whom we are announcing, admonishing every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we should be presenting every man mature in Christ Jesus; for which I am toiling also, struggling in accord with His operation, which is operating in me with power. (Col.1:25-29).
As you can see, paul had an additional message, to complete the word of God.Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2006,17:48) Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 31 2006,03:03) Hey Nick, “It sees what is not written and proclaims it as true[like trinity”
You mean like Matt5:19?
Hi kenrch,
All scripture is true, but not all applies to me or you.
The laws of Sweden do not apply to us and it would be irrelevant if I told you to disobey them. The road driving laws do not apply to my 4yo grandson so who cares if I tell him to drive on the wrong side of the road.Quote Hi,
The gospel Paul preached was not his own.
He preached what he had been shown by Christ and that one gospel united Jew and gentile.I thought we were all in the same kingdom of Christ. Does Christ have different laws for different people?
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
The law for the Jew is the same as the law for the Gentile if all are in the Kingdom of Christ.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [Luke 24:44]
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.paul was speaking his own gosple not gods,.acording to his own wrightings he doesent even know the father,so he could not have the son either.gods name is the key,jesus said ,I am the LIGHT,I am the TRUTH ect…. paul said ,I am nothing, yet I am is LOVE.for god is love.paul continualy uses gods name for him self in a derogatory way,blasphemeing the very name of god,if he knew god he would have kept gods commandments,like jesus said and did,yet many keep following the anti christ in the traditions of men,for there hearts are far from the father of lights.
paul claims to be GOD ! 1 corinthians 15:10 ,But by the grace of god I am what (or that)I am.! hmmmm the anti christ has come to steal away all the truth,he was a liar and a murderer from the begining.
john 8:44-45 ye are of your father the devil ,and the lusts of your father ye will do. he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth ,because there is no truth is him. when he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his (own);for he is a liar,and the father of it. and because me tell you the truth, ye believe me not. yes pauls (own) gosple,doesent he claim it to be his own and not the fathers.hmmmm. follow god not man !
Spotlight on Paul…from earlier post
Paul taught the same things Y'shua taught. Men's interpretation of Paul's teaching is what confuses men.
I can see where people can twist Paul's words to fit their own doctrine if they have not received the Spirit of truth.
Paul's words are written as confusing to those who do not obey the Torah and believe Y'shua is the Messiah and the Son of Elohim.
a kingdom divided canot stand,paul the anti christ only brought division,for he was a murderer from the begining.
You are far from the things I have learned about Paul. Where do you get the idea that Paul is ant-messiah?
Yes, we must srtive to learn with the blessing of the Spirit of truth. You will find once you have received it that Paul was speaking properly, and that most men who teach saying “this is what Paul taught,” do err. There is no way to understand Paul without consulting Scripture from the Torah and the Prophets, this is what Paul taught.
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