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[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,19:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,13:40) Hi BD, So if lucifer means satan you will have more than one verse to prove it surely?[2Cor13.1] You mean ED

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,20:03)

Yup BD. OOOPs

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 26 2009,16:39)

Hi ED, The Living God.

Nick, you better make up your mind?

Ha Ha Ha Ha!

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
So you have cobbled some unrelated verses together using implication and logic and expect it to be truth?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
You can show from scripture by support in revelation that Satan can be called the serpent and the devil but there is not even one that say he is Lucifer.[2cor13.1]

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,05:15)

Hi ED, You can show from scripture by support in revelation that Satan can be called the serpent and the devil but there is not even one that say he is Lucifer.[2cor13.1]

Hi Nick,

The name 'Lucifer' is used only “one time” in the entire Bible.
I cannot show 'that name' anywhere else.
The logic you present suggests since I cannot show 'that name' anywhere else, I must be(according to you) wrong?

Conspiracies are hard to uncover do to their lack of direct evidences.
However there “is” plenty of circumstantial evidences; take for example Nahum 1:14.
If you think my opinion of it is wrong, then offer another. To simply say 'you are wrong' provides NO resolution in the matter.

But if you truly understand the concept, then I will keep providing you more and more
circumstantial evidences that corroborate my position on this matter. Here is another…

Nahum 1:9-14 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end:
affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns,
and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.
Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down,
when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.
For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.
And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown:
out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.

If what I derive from these verses is wrong; then offer “The Truth” of the matter?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
You cannot prove anything without witnesses.
We are on a search for truth so what is unproveable is put aside.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,09:28)

Hi Ed, You cannot prove anything without witnesses. We are on a search for truth so what is unproveable is put aside.

Hi Nick,

Where are your witnesses?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2009,09:24)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,05:15) Hi ED, You can show from scripture by support in revelation that Satan can be called the serpent and the devil but there is not even one that say he is Lucifer.[2cor13.1] Hi Nick, The name 'Lucifer' is used only “one time” in the entire Bible. I cannot show 'that name' anywhere else. The logic you present suggests since I cannot show 'that name' anywhere else, I must be(according to you) wrong? Conspiracies are hard to uncover do to their lack of direct evidences. However there “is” plenty of circumstantial evidences; take for example Nahum 1:14. If you think my opinion of it is wrong, then offer another. To simply say 'you are wrong' provides NO resolution in the matter. But if you truly understand the concept, then I will keep providing you more and more circumstantial evidences that corroborate my position on this matter. Here is another… Nahum 1:9-14 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor. Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more. For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder. And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. If what I derive from these verses is wrong; then offer “The Truth” of the matter? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The literal translation does not eve have the word Lucifer saying instead:

Isaiah 14:11-13 (Young's Literal Translation)

11Brought down to Sheol hath been thine excellency, The noise of thy psaltery, Under thee spread out hath been the worm, Yea, covering thee is the worm.

12How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.

What about the literal translation, is it the same to you now?

Nahum 1:9-14 (Young's Literal Translation)

9What do we devise against Jehovah? An end He is making, arise not twice doth distress.

10For while princes [are] perplexed, And with their drink are drunken, They have been consumed as stubble fully dried.

11From thee hath come forth a deviser of evil Against Jehovah — a worthless counsellor.

12Thus said Jehovah: Though complete, and thus many, Yet thus they have been cut off, And he hath passed away. And I afflicted thee, I afflict thee no more.

13And now I break his rod from off thee, And thy bands I do draw away.

14And commanded concerning thee hath Jehovah, `No more of thy name doth spread abroad, From the house of thy gods I cut off graven and molten image, I appoint thy grave, for thou hast been vile.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,10:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2009,09:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,05:15) Hi ED, You can show from scripture by support in revelation that Satan can be called the serpent and the devil but there is not even one that say he is Lucifer.[2cor13.1] Hi Nick, The name 'Lucifer' is used only “one time” in the entire Bible. I cannot show 'that name' anywhere else. The logic you present suggests since I cannot show 'that name' anywhere else, I must be(according to you) wrong? Conspiracies are hard to uncover do to their lack of direct evidences. However there “is” plenty of circumstantial evidences; take for example Nahum 1:14. If you think my opinion of it is wrong, then offer another. To simply say 'you are wrong' provides NO resolution in the matter. But if you truly understand the concept, then I will keep providing you more and more circumstantial evidences that corroborate my position on this matter. Here is another… Nahum 1:9-14 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor. Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more. For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder. And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. If what I derive from these verses is wrong; then offer “The Truth” of the matter? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org The literal translation does not eve have the word Lucifer saying instead: Isaiah 14:11-13 (Young's Literal Translation) 11Brought down to Sheol hath been thine excellency, The noise of thy psaltery, Under thee spread out hath been the worm, Yea, covering thee is the worm. 12How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations. What about the literal translation, is it the same to you now? Nahum 1:9-14 (Young's Literal Translation) 9What do we devise against Jehovah? An end He is making, arise not twice doth distress. 10For while princes [are] perplexed, And with their drink are drunken, They have been consumed as stubble fully dried. 11From thee hath come forth a deviser of evil Against Jehovah — a worthless counsellor. 12Thus said Jehovah: Though complete, and thus many, Yet thus they have been cut off, And he hath passed away. And I afflicted thee, I afflict thee no more. 13And now I break his rod from off thee, And thy bands I do draw away. 14And commanded concerning thee hath Jehovah, `No more of thy name doth spread abroad, From the house of thy gods I cut off graven and molten image, I appoint thy grave, for thou hast been vile.

Hi BD,

What was the purpose of this response?

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2009,09:44)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,09:28) Hi Ed, You cannot prove anything without witnesses. We are on a search for truth so what is unproveable is put aside. Hi Nick, Where are your witnesses?

Hi Ed,
To 2Cor13.1?

Num 35.30
Dt 17.6
Dt 19.15
Mt 18.16
Heb 10.28

Is that enough??

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,10:50)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2009,09:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,09:28) Hi Ed, You cannot prove anything without witnesses. We are on a search for truth so what is unproveable is put aside. Hi Nick, Where are your witnesses? Hi Ed, To 2Cor13.1? Num 35.30 Dt 17.6 Dt 19.15 Mt 18.16 Heb 10.28 Is that enough??

Hi Nick,

How come my witnesses don't count?

Isaiah 14:11-20
Ezek.28:11-26
Nahum 1:5-14
Rev.12:1-17

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Do any two of them say the same thing?
If so then one more witness is enough.

But all yours speak of different things.

Similar or perhaps or maybe is not good enough.

That is why God gave us the accounts of four evangelists.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,11:29)

Hi ED, Do any two of them say the same thing? If so then one more witness is enough. But all yours speak of different things. Similar or perhaps or maybe is not good enough. That is why God gave us the accounts of four evangelists.

Hi Nick,

The closest your going to get any set of Bible verses saying the same thing is Psalm 14:1-7 and Psalm 53:1-6.

Every other set of bible verses are based on the persons view of “The Truth”; which differs in “every” case.

Take for example Isaiah 53:3-12 and Psalm 22:1-31, these are both talking about Jesus;
but if we were to use your logic, it could be argued that they are talking about to different things?
Add to that Jesus name is 'never mentioned', so how can we even be certain they are talking about him?

This it the type of argument you use to discredit my proofs?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Then try the verses I offered.
Proof requires witnesses

[GeneBalthrop]

Ed j……….Your assumption that Lucifer is a beign called (the) devils or satan, is wrong..If you have read the complete chapter you would have seen the Isaiah identified who he was talking about as the King of Babylon and that he was a (MAN)>

Isa 14:16 They that see thee narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee saying , is this the (MAN) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms.

It was the King of Babylon that controlled the whole world at one time, not some elusive being going around controlling every thing. Mystery religion has caused all kind of Metaphysic Ideologies to spring up and plague the minds of men and women. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………..geen

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 24 2009,12:41)

Ed j……….Your assumption that Lucifer is a beign called (the) devils or satan, is wrong..If you have read the complete chapter you would have seen the Isaiah identified who he was talking about as the King of Babylon and  that he was a (MAN)> Isa 14:16 They that see thee narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee saying , is this the (MAN) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms. It was the King of Babylon that controlled the whole world at one time, not some elusive being going around controlling every thing. Mystery religion has caused all kind of Metaphysic Ideologies to spring up and plague the minds of men and women.   IMO   Peace and love to you and yours…………..geen

Hi Gene,

I don’t ask others to agree with my assertions, but only that they understand the facts.
Prob.18:13 “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”

With the configuration I suggest, all of pieces to the puzzle fit together.
Let’s examine your view of the facts concerning Isaiah 14:3-23. Here are some questions
that need to be answered, rather than to simply say ‘I don’t know’, but I’m still right?

If NOT the devil, then explain how this ‘one man’ has “made the world as a wilderness”? (Isaiah 14:17)
If NOT the devil, then explain how this ‘one man’ was “cast out of the grave”? (Isaiah 14:19)
If NOT the devil, then explain how this ‘one man’ can think he can “ascend into heaven”,
“exalt his throne above the stars of God”, and “sit upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north”? (Isaiah 14:13) This sounds remarkably similar to (2Thess.2:4)!
If NOT the devil, then explain how “Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meat thee
at thy coming” (Isaiah 14:9) This verse sounds remarkably similar to (Rev.13:1)!

Now look at some parallels between Rev.17:5, 18:2-3, 18:10, 18:16-17, 18:18-19 and how these
verses compare to Isaiah 14:4-6.

Isaiah 14:4-6: That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,
How hath the oppressor ceased! The golden city ceased!” The LORD hath broken
the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath
with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Rev.18:18-19 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city,
wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rev.17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev.18:2-3 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen,
is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit,
and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations(the world) have drunk of the wine
of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her,
and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon,
that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

18:16-17 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple,
and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great
riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors,
and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off.

The word “Babylon” defines as “confusion”; here are some verses on “confusion”.

James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Isaiah 24:10 The city of confusion(Babylon) is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
1Cor.14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Psalm 71:1 In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion.

These are just the “Tip of the Iceberg” used as short analogy.
So you see there just may be something to all this.

God bless you Gene,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Ed J………Do you see all the contradiction in what you posted, On the one hand you say His the devil and on the other He is a man, Now i do agree there is no such thing as a Satan or Devil (being) and that Man is the devils and satans or (ADVERSARY) of GOD, not some Spook going around jumping in and out of People. So The King of Babylon in that perspective was in deed a DEVIL. But above all things He was a MAN, not some elusive Creature going  around in disguise controlling People. Carnal Man is the ADVERSARY (Satan) . Remember Jesus told Peter He was a SATAN., and he chose His disciples and one was a DEVIL.  Isaiah plainly said He was talking to the KING OF BABYLON. This King of Babylon ruled with great authority and was a cruel ruler and crushed any opposition He ruled the entire world as Daniel testified of HIM. ( The word Lucifier) means rising Star we still us that term today and the King of Babylon was that rising star untill his (PRIDE) got the best of him and GOD brought Him down to the Grave. AS God said he would through Isaiah. This whole concept of Devils and Demons is all part of the Mystery religion teaching , as it says “teaching for doctrines the Doctrines of or(about) Devils and Demons”.  IMO

peace and love……………..gene

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
SOUNDING REMARKABLY SIMILAR is at best circumstantial evidence and not proof at any level.

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 24 2009,15:20)

Ed J………Do you see all the contradiction in what you posted, On the one hand you say His the devil and on the other He is a man, Now i do agree there is no such thing as a Satan or Devil (being) and that Man is the devils and satans or (ADVERSARY) of GOD, not some Spook going around jumping in and out of People. So The King of Babylon in that perspective was in deed a DEVIL. But above all things He was a MAN, not some elusive Creature going  around in disguise controlling People. Carnal Man is the ADVERSARY (Satan) . Remember Jesus told Peter He was a SATAN., and he chose His disciples and one was a DEVIL.  Isaiah plainly said He was talking to the KING OF BABYLON. This King of Babylon ruled with great authority and was a cruel ruler and crushed any opposition He ruled the entire world as Daniel testified of HIM. ( The word Lucifier) means rising Star we still us that term today and the King of Babylon was that rising star untill his (PRIDE) got the best of him and GOD brought Him down to the Grave. AS God said he would through Isaiah. This whole concept of Devils and Demons is all part of the Mystery religion teaching , as it says “teaching for doctrines the Doctrines of or(about) Devils and Demons”.  IMO peace and love……………..gene

Hi Gene,

You refer to Judas Iscariot as 'indeed a devil'.
Would it not be correct to say that satan jumped in and out of peter?
Would it also not be correct to say also that satan jumped out of Judas after he repented, when he threw the thirty pieces of silver?

The contradiction is: you say 'not some Spook going around jumping in and out of People',
then next mention Jesus calling peter satan? We both know that Peter was not satan!

Can you not see the fractal truth of how the Bible points to the affect(people) to explain the cause(Lucifer / Satan).
I have shown this principal over and over, yet this point always seems to go unnoticed.

Yet the more posts I make concerning this consistent biblical principal the clearer “The Truth” becomes.
I know that you do understand my point; but others here like Katjo, do not understand this concept yet. So I must continue to illustrate these truths.

God bless you Gene,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

hi ed J
i try to get your book free but i could not ,is this is free after a donation on your site ,if so it is a trap.and not free
what does it mean to you free????

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2009,07:50)

hi ed J i try to get your book free but i could not ,is this is free after a donation on your site ,if so it is a trap.and not free what does it mean to you free????

Hi Terraricca,

I sent it to you.
I also explained the problem with the download at the site.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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