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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 29 2008,09:25) Hi,
Anyone else out there to help rescue this person?
Hi Nick:Already have given him the following scripture, but I'll try again:
Quote Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.The Apostles were to teach “all nations” what Jesus had taught them, therefore, what he taught them was not solely for the Jews although his ministry, while he was here on earth, was specifically to the Jews.
And there is the following scripture:
Quote Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. God Bless
Thanks 94,
The universalist philosophers do not lack for determination in spreading their message of death.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2008,06:13) Thanks 94,
The universalist philosophers do not lack for determination in spreading their message of death.
Hi Nick:Is it pride that keeps them insisting that they are correct in their teaching? And the fire will try every man's work of sort it is. ONLY the Word of God will survive the fire.
Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 30 2008,09:28) Still no scripture?
Hi Co:I gave you the scriptures, and so, what do you mean still no scripture?
942767………..Where did CO say Jesus' words did not apply to all, He said Jesus was sent specifically to the House of Israel, And Jesus himself said that. The question was not about His words , it was who Jesus was sent specifically to. Thats the way i understand what Co was talking about.
peace to you and yours…………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2008,11:01) 942767………..Where did CO say Jesus' words did not apply to all, He said Jesus was sent specifically to the House of Israel, And Jesus himself said that. The question was not about His words , it was who Jesus was sent specifically to. Thats the way i understand what Co was talking about. peace to you and yours…………………gene
Hi Gene:If I am understanding him correctly, he is saying that the gospel to the Jews is different than the gospel to the gentile nations, and that simply isn't so. The scriptures that I have quoted show that there is but one gospel for all nations.
Also, I have tried to quote from the four gospels and from the book of Hebrews to make a point at one time or another, and he has said that it did not apply to us Christians of the gentile nations.
God Bless
942,
You and I havd clashed in the past about keeping all the commands or whether we are free from the “law.” Correct?
So now you say and you are correct in saying that there is one law for all. So why then do you walk as if there is two? One for Jews and one for Gentiles?
You know the true Jew will never believe that the Torah has been done away with, as I have seen.There is one Torah for all who wish to come to the presence of the All Mighty. Just like it has been from the beginning. Not one thing has changed.
If you want to be counted as His, you must agree to keep His commands. This is fear and at the same time it is love.
We are all under the same judgment, so we suffer fleshly in keeping the Torah, (we deny our fleshy lusts), because Torah is life for those who do it. Belief? What is belief without works? Even the Devil believes and trembels at the sound of His Name. BUT the Devil will always rebel against Torah and teach others through a “smooth” word to do the same.
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2008,12:24) 942,
You and I havd clashed in the past about keeping all the commands or whether we are free from the “law.” Correct?
So now you say and you are correct in saying that there is one law for all. So why then do you walk as if there is two? One for Jews and one for Gentiles?
You know the true Jew will never believe that the Torah has been done away with, as I have seen.There is one Torah for all who wish to come to the presence of the All Mighty. Just like it has been from the beginning. Not one thing has changed.
If you want to be counted as His, you must agree to keep His commands. This is fear and at the same time it is love.
We are all under the same judgment, so we suffer fleshly in keeping the Torah, (we deny our fleshy lusts), because Torah is life for those who do it. Belief? What is belief without works? Even the Devil believes and trembels at the sound of His Name. BUT the Devil will always rebel against Torah and teach others through a “smooth” word to do the same.
Hi Laurel:Only disagree with you and Doug Bachelor that Saturday and Saturday alone is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a principle which I do keep, but I have said that I will keep the Sabbath on Saturday when I a put in authority in the church in order to promote unity. I am tired of this foolish arguement. I am happy that you are obeying God's commandments, but you are not the judge.
Quote Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.God Bless
You are not disagreeing with me alone but most of all you are disagreeing with the one who made it and gave it to us as a gift, so that He may be with us here and now.
I can't say that it is wrong to worship on the 1st day of the week, for I know it is good. BUT one can never change Torah. We do not have the authority to add to it or take away from it.
The Sabbath is a commanded rest day and not only comes around every 7th day, but it comes around on other cycles, monthly and yearly.
We are on Yahweh's wrist watch. Not man's. We are on His calendar, not Rome's. We are on His schedule, not the devils, and not man's.
Y'shua said that He would reveal His Father to us at His Appointed Seasons. Does it mean anything to you?
1Ti 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.Who will challenge His authority? This one is a fool!
PS.
You can not teach truth which stands under pressure when your foundation is that of sand, mingled with iron.
Hi Lauel:
Are you an Apostle whom God has sent forth to correct me? As I have said to you, I am glad that you are obeying the commandments, but you are not the judge. As it stands right now, I have to work on Saturday and Sunday, and I have asked God to deliver me from this situation and He has chosen not to do so, but I know that He will deliver me in His timing. I am here to obey Him.
God Bless
Actually, I had the same dilemma. I did not quit the job I had, but today I have not had to work on the Sabbaths for over a year!
I was given a different job, truely a blessing that I had waited and cried for for a very long time.
What I thought you said is that your church is keeping the 1st day of the week in place of the true Sabbath. If it is so, then there is only one way to fix it. You coness and take His sheep with you when you go out.
There is no way to teach truth under false pretenses. So if I have misunderstood you I am very sorry.
When I began keeping Sabbath, I had to leave the place where I was, not knowing where I was going. I just had to step away from there. I realized that I could not be a light if I were trying to be everything to everyone. I had to put Yahweh's will ahead of my own. I pleaded with that congregation and that pastor, but to this day they remain under another gospel, and the teaching of another savior.
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2008,13:55) Actually, I had the same dilemma. I did not quit the job I had, but today I have not had to work on the Sabbaths for over a year! I was given a different job, truely a blessing that I had waited and cried for for a very long time.
What I thought you said is that your church is keeping the 1st day of the week in place of the true Sabbath. If it is so, then there is only one way to fix it. You coness and take His sheep with you when you go out.
There is no way to teach truth under false pretenses. So if I have misunderstood you I am very sorry.
When I began keeping Sabbath, I had to leave the place where I was, not knowing where I was going. I just had to step away from there. I realized that I could not be a light if I were trying to be everything to everyone. I had to put Yahweh's will ahead of my own. I pleaded with that congregation and that pastor, but to this day they remain under another gospel, and the teaching of another savior.
Hi Lauel:Keep obeying the Lord and teaching what you believe to be correct, and I also will do the same. Both you and I will be held accountable to God for what we teach.
My desire is to glorify my God and Father through the life that I live.
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 30 2008,14:03) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2008,13:55) Actually, I had the same dilemma. I did not quit the job I had, but today I have not had to work on the Sabbaths for over a year! I was given a different job, truely a blessing that I had waited and cried for for a very long time.
What I thought you said is that your church is keeping the 1st day of the week in place of the true Sabbath. If it is so, then there is only one way to fix it. You coness and take His sheep with you when you go out.
There is no way to teach truth under false pretenses. So if I have misunderstood you I am very sorry.
When I began keeping Sabbath, I had to leave the place where I was, not knowing where I was going. I just had to step away from there. I realized that I could not be a light if I were trying to be everything to everyone. I had to put Yahweh's will ahead of my own. I pleaded with that congregation and that pastor, but to this day they remain under another gospel, and the teaching of another savior.
Hi Lauel:Keep obeying the Lord and teaching what you believe to be correct, and I also will do the same. Both you and I will be held accountable to God for what we teach.
My desire is to glorify my God and Father through the life that I live.
God Bless
942767.
“My desire is to glorify my God and Father through the life that I live”?1Cor.1:28-29
28 and the ignoble and the contemptible things of the world God chooses, and that which is not, that He should be discarding that which is,
29 so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God's sight.“All is of God”, There is NOTHING WE CAN DO to save ourselves!
Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 13 2008,12:46) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 30 2008,14:03) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2008,13:55) Actually, I had the same dilemma. I did not quit the job I had, but today I have not had to work on the Sabbaths for over a year! I was given a different job, truely a blessing that I had waited and cried for for a very long time.
What I thought you said is that your church is keeping the 1st day of the week in place of the true Sabbath. If it is so, then there is only one way to fix it. You coness and take His sheep with you when you go out.
There is no way to teach truth under false pretenses. So if I have misunderstood you I am very sorry.
When I began keeping Sabbath, I had to leave the place where I was, not knowing where I was going. I just had to step away from there. I realized that I could not be a light if I were trying to be everything to everyone. I had to put Yahweh's will ahead of my own. I pleaded with that congregation and that pastor, but to this day they remain under another gospel, and the teaching of another savior.
Hi Lauel:Keep obeying the Lord and teaching what you believe to be correct, and I also will do the same. Both you and I will be held accountable to God for what we teach.
My desire is to glorify my God and Father through the life that I live.
God Bless
942767.
“My desire is to glorify my God and Father through the life that I live”?1Cor.1:28-29
28 and the ignoble and the contemptible things of the world God chooses, and that which is not, that He should be discarding that which is,
29 so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God's sight.“All is of God”, There is NOTHING WE CAN DO to save ourselves!
Hi Chosenone:My desire is to glorify God through the life that I live in obedience to His Word. I did not say anything about doing something to save myself, however, if you do not obey His Word and you claim to be a Christian, you are not but rather a hypocrite in sheeps clothing.
Quote Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Quote 2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Quote Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead alsoQuote Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin. Quote Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hi 942767.
You say, “My desire is to glorify God through the life that I live in obedience to His Word. I did not say anything about doing something to save myself.”What does “my desire is”… saying that is you 'doing something' to please God. Scripture says “the flesh cannot please God”. Is this not 'doing something?'
Eph2.8-10 … 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good worksNotice… “and this is not out of you” also “For His (God) achievement are we”.
What could be plainer? We have no part in our salvation. “all is of God”. We are saved by “the Grace of God”.
Blessings.
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