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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,15:10) [/quote] bodhitharta,Mar. wrote:You keep attempting to Make Jesus equal to God and so it is you that disagrees with the New Testament and Jesus:
I dont try to make Jesus equal to God. When have I ever said this?
Quote You keep saying God has a son but tell me how is it that God has a son when he has no consort, no wife, no mate, no genitals, no Body…etc. Please if you know tell me how this is possible? Jesus was a spirit, the Word of God, with Him from the beginning, who then became flesh and dwelt among us.
In the beginning was the Word
The Word was with God
The word was God (Not man or angel)Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.Like the light shines from the Sun, Jesus comes from God, He is not God but comes from Him
The light came into the world. Yet, people loved the dark rather than the light because their actions were evil. …(John 3:19)
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.The Quran says
Surah 17:111-
“Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom . . .”Sura 112:2
Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begets not nor was begotten.Surah 10:68-
“They say: 'God has begotten a son.' God forbid! Self-sufficient is He.' “Surah 19:88
Those who say: “The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son, preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack . . .”Surah 10:68
“God has begotten a son. ‘God forbid! Self-sufficient is He.!Surah 19:29
”God forbid that He Himself should beget a son!”Surah 43:81
“If the Lord of Mercy had a son, I would be the first to worship him.”Sura 4:171:
…Christ Jesus the son of Mary Was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah….
(Far Exalted is He) above Having a son.Surah 19:88:
“And they say, 'The Most Gracious Has betaken a son!' Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are bout to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin: That they attributed a son to the Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.The bible says
John 3:16-18–
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.John 3:36-
He that believth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not –the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.1John 2:22:
…He is the antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.”1 John 4:9-10-
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.1 John 5:10-12
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.Luke 9:28:
… And a voice came out of the cloud saying, ‘This is my Son, my chosen, listen to him’.Matthew 10:33:
But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.Matthew 16:13-19:
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Hebrews 1:1:
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universeSo, which one are you going to believe if they both say 2 really different things?
You should listen to the Word of God which came from God.
Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,21:28) So, which one are you going to believe if they both say 2 really different things? You should listen to the Word of God which came from God.
Hi Karmarie,There are roughly 1.25 billion muslims that firmly believe that the koran is the word of God and excluding Catholics, who many Christians think are wrong anyway, there are only about 1 billion Christians who firmly believe that the bible is the word of God.
How can you be certain which group is correct?
The Muslims are just as certain of their belief as the Christians are of theirs. And both groups are certain because that is what they were taught to believe, not because of some revelation.Tim
Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,21:28) So, which one are you going to believe if they both say 2 really different things? You should listen to the Word of God which came from God.
I keep asking you in what way could Jesus be the son of God?God doesn't have a wife nor is he physical so in what way could Jesus be his “son”? Once you can answer this you will understand. In what way was Adam the Son of God?
Also why is it you don't accept the sonship of all the others that are called sons of God? It seems it's easy for you to understand how no one else is the son of God in a literal sense except when it comes to Jesus.
Surah 19:88
Those who say: “The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son, preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack . . .”That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:1-3Genesis 6:4 (King James Version)
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
You see the evil you are accusing God of a monstrosity that GOD HIMSELF condemned. The fact is they don't say two different things One(The Quran) simply clarifies the meaning.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 08 2010,00:43) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,21:28) So, which one are you going to believe if they both say 2 really different things? You should listen to the Word of God which came from God.
Hi Karmarie,There are roughly 1.25 billion muslims that firmly believe that the koran is the word of God and excluding Catholics, who many Christians think are wrong anyway, there are only about 1 billion Christians who firmly believe that the bible is the word of God.
How can you be certain which group is correct?
The Muslims are just as certain of their belief as the Christians are of theirs. And both groups are certain because that is what they were taught to believe, not because of some revelation.Tim
Hi Tim,I cant be 100% certain who is right, I actually believe both Christianity and Islam are in error as well as correct, each holding a different key ,but I do know that Jesus is appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions by the thousands somewhere I read millions and that is only the ones who speak about it, which is fullfillment of prophecy Joel 2;28;
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.It is being fullfilled as dreams and visions of Jesus and is happening only to Muslims. And I can understand why it is happening as dreams and visions, it is because – how can they believe anything anyone says, after what has happened to them, their lands invaded, children killed, none of it is right .I will go there one day, God willing.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 07 2010,22:43) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,21:28) So, which one are you going to believe if they both say 2 really different things? You should listen to the Word of God which came from God.
Hi Karmarie,There are roughly 1.25 billion muslims that firmly believe that the koran is the word of God and excluding Catholics, who many Christians think are wrong anyway, there are only about 1 billion Christians who firmly believe that the bible is the word of God.
How can you be certain which group is correct?
The Muslims are just as certain of their belief as the Christians are of theirs. And both groups are certain because that is what they were taught to believe, not because of some revelation.Tim
Actually I was shown the Quran by revelation while I was reading the Bible.I don't say that Christians are wrong at all what I say is that they have not been made aware of the information that came after it just like the Christians accuse the Jews of.
Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 08 2010,07:37) Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 08 2010,00:43) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,21:28) So, which one are you going to believe if they both say 2 really different things? You should listen to the Word of God which came from God.
Hi Karmarie,There are roughly 1.25 billion muslims that firmly believe that the koran is the word of God and excluding Catholics, who many Christians think are wrong anyway, there are only about 1 billion Christians who firmly believe that the bible is the word of God.
How can you be certain which group is correct?
The Muslims are just as certain of their belief as the Christians are of theirs. And both groups are certain because that is what they were taught to believe, not because of some revelation.Tim
Hi Tim,I cant be 100% certain who is right, I actually believe both Christianity and Islam are in error as well as correct, each holding a different key ,but I do know that Jesus is appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions by the thousands somewhere I read millions and that is only the ones who speak about it, which is fullfillment of prophecy Joel 2;28;
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.It is being fullfilled as dreams and visions of Jesus and is happening only to Muslims. And I can understand why it is happening as dreams and visions, it is because – how can they believe anything anyone says, after what has happened to them, their lands invaded, children killed, none of it is right .I will go there one day, God willing.
How is Joel 2:28 about Jesus?You see, you do keep making Jesus out to be God.
Joel 2:28 is about the Spirit of God
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:50) How is Joel 2:28 about Jesus? You see, you do keep making Jesus out to be God.
Joel 2:28 is about the Spirit of God
It didnt say WHAT they would be prophesising about, dreaming about or having visions ABOUT did it?How is it making Jesus out to be God? Your so funny! haha:)
Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 08 2010,08:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:50) How is Joel 2:28 about Jesus? You see, you do keep making Jesus out to be God.
Joel 2:28 is about the Spirit of God
It didnt say WHAT they would be prophesising about, dreaming about or having visions ABOUT did it?How is it making Jesus out to be God? Your so funny! haha:)
Exactly! So why are you saying it fulfilled this prophecy.If you really pay attention you will see that your focus is not on God it is on whom God sent.
But Jesus certainly predicted this:
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
John 4:20-22But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:22-24You make Jesus some sort of DIVIDER but what does he say?
And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
Luke 12:13-15Why would you go to someone who says “I submit myself entirely to God and accept all his messengers” and say “wait a minute you have given your wholeself to God? what about Jesus?”
You would actually like to remove some of the FOCUS off of God for what reason? So that Jesus can lead them wear but back to the Father again? Does that make any sense to you?
Jesus is pointing to the Father, to God Almighty if you are bowing down to God Almighty should you stop so someone can show you how to bow down to God Almighty?
Quote I keep asking you in what way could Jesus be the son of God? God doesn't have a wife nor is he physical so in what way could Jesus be his “son”? Once you can answer this you will understand. In what way was Adam the Son of God?
Quote Also why is it you don't accept the sonship of all the others that are called sons of God? It seems it's easy for you to understand how no one else is the son of God in a literal sense except when it comes to Jesus. There are many Sons of God im not denying that nor ever have, but- only one was from the beginning. Before all.
1 Cor. 15:47:
The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven.”Heb.1:2 states that… God has in these last days spoken to us by his Son whom he has appointed heir of all things,
through whom he made the worlds. “this agrees with Jn. 1:3 ” all things were made through him
and without him nothing was made that was made.”Heb.1:4: “having become so much better than the angels.” How by nature ? No, by exaltation at the resurrection.
He already was better in nature before his incarnation being deity the very one who created all the angels.Heb.1:5: “For to which of the angels did he ever say “you are my Son today I have begotten you”
Here the writer is proclaiming the Son as superior to angels. Angels who are the greatest of Gods creation and the Son is better vs.4.
The same Son that is speaking to us now was present at creation.
This is the same Son that was in the bosom of the Father before any thing was created.
Hebrews 1:2 tells us that God made the worlds through the Son.
The Son had to have existed before anything was created, to create everything that exists, so does the Father.Ps.33:6 By the Word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth
vs.9 For he spake,and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.” Christ is the word.
Ps.148:1-6 “For he commandedand they were created.”
Col. 1:16-17 Speaking of the Son, “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
This means he is not one of those things created if he is before them.Here we find the consistency of the N.T. of his preexistence as the creator yet as Heb.1:2 says
it was through him God made everything. We can see the Sons role was not a secondary one but primary,
that creation was from the Father- through the Son- and by the Spirit.
The Father as the source created through the Son who is the agent and the Spirit was the power.Heb. 7:3 the author of Hebrews describes Melchezidek as one without Father or mother, without genealogy;
having neither beginning or end of life, like the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.”
Here he is giving the comparison of Melchezidek as a type of Christ in that he always existed.
He also parallel’s the eternal priesthood and the Son as an eternal being without beginning of days or end of life.
The writer of Hebrews used the three most important subjects to the Jews, the angels, the high priest,
and the resurrection and we find the Son who is compared to them all, is superior.
All of these were earthly examples of heavenly truths.http://www.letusreason.org/trin5.htm -I dont agree with alot on that site but thought that was a pretty good summary.
How did Jesus become a Man? He pre-existed as The Word, do you think it is possible for a Spirit to enter an earthly body?
The Word became flesh and dwelled among usQuote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:24) You make Jesus some sort of DIVIDER but what does he say?
He says satan is the one=34 bringing division; why do you worship him?Luke 15:51 SUPPOSE YE THAT i am come to give peace on earth?
I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
.Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 08 2010,11:42) Quote I keep asking you in what way could Jesus be the son of God? God doesn't have a wife nor is he physical so in what way could Jesus be his “son”? Once you can answer this you will understand. In what way was Adam the Son of God?
Quote Also why is it you don't accept the sonship of all the others that are called sons of God? It seems it's easy for you to understand how no one else is the son of God in a literal sense except when it comes to Jesus. There are many Sons of God im not denying that nor ever have, but- only one was from the beginning. Before all.
1 Cor. 15:47:
The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven.”Heb.1:2 states that… God has in these last days spoken to us by his Son whom he has appointed heir of all things,
through whom he made the worlds. “this agrees with Jn. 1:3 ” all things were made through him
and without him nothing was made that was made.”Heb.1:4: “having become so much better than the angels.” How by nature ? No, by exaltation at the resurrection.
He already was better in nature before his incarnation being deity the very one who created all the angels.Heb.1:5: “For to which of the angels did he ever say “you are my Son today I have begotten you”
Here the writer is proclaiming the Son as superior to angels. Angels who are the greatest of Gods creation and the Son is better vs.4.
The same Son that is speaking to us now was present at creation.
This is the same Son that was in the bosom of the Father before any thing was created.
Hebrews 1:2 tells us that God made the worlds through the Son.
The Son had to have existed before anything was created, to create everything that exists, so does the Father.Ps.33:6 By the Word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth
vs.9 For he spake,and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.” Christ is the word.
Ps.148:1-6 “For he commandedand they were created.”
Col. 1:16-17 Speaking of the Son, “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
This means he is not one of those things created if he is before them.Here we find the consistency of the N.T. of his preexistence as the creator yet as Heb.1:2 says
it was through him God made everything. We can see the Sons role was not a secondary one but primary,
that creation was from the Father- through the Son- and by the Spirit.
The Father as the source created through the Son who is the agent and the Spirit was the power.Heb. 7:3 the author of Hebrews describes Melchezidek as one without Father or mother, without genealogy;
having neither beginning or end of life, like the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.”
Here he is giving the comparison of Melchezidek as a type of Christ in that he always existed.
He also parallel’s the eternal priesthood and the Son as an eternal being without beginning of days or end of life.
The writer of Hebrews used the three most important subjects to the Jews, the angels, the high priest,
and the resurrection and we find the Son who is compared to them all, is superior.
All of these were earthly examples of heavenly truths.http://www.letusreason.org/trin5.htm -I dont agree with alot on that site but thought that was a pretty good summary.
How did Jesus become a Man? He pre-existed as The Word, do you think it is possible for a Spirit to enter an earthly body?
The Word became flesh and dwelled among us
John 10:34-36 (King James Version)34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I have already explained in other posts that Jesus was made by the word of God not that he is the Word of God. God spoke and he was CREATED in the womb of Mary. Jesus was literally Be-Gotten. Just like God said “let there be light”
Adam was formed from the earth Jesus was formed from the Spirit of The Word of God i.e. Power.
Sura #3
45 (Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [“Be!” – and he was! i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.”
46 “He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.”
47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” – and it is.In regards to the angels being superior to Man the Quran states:
And (remember) when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves before Adam.”. And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)Man was made in the image of God and therefore the angels were to bow down to Mankind but Satan refused
So do you also give Melchezidek the same rank as Christ? If not why not? And if Jesus was first why would Jesus be placed in the order of Melchezidek and not Melchezidek in the order of Jesus?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2010,16:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:24) You make Jesus some sort of DIVIDER but what does he say?
He says satan is the one=34 bringing division; why do you worship him?Luke 15:51 SUPPOSE YE THAT i am come to give peace on earth?
I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
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After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Genesis 15:1-3And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 17:1-3that Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying, `I [am] Jehovah, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I am speaking unto thee.'
Exodus 6:28-30Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,17:44) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2010,16:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:24) You make Jesus some sort of DIVIDER but what does he say?
He says satan is the one=34 bringing division; why do you worship him?Luke 15:51 SUPPOSE YE THAT i am come to give peace on earth?
I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
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After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Genesis 15:1-3And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 17:1-3that Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying, `I [am] Jehovah, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I am speaking unto thee.'
Exodus 6:28-30
Hi BD,I have told you this at least FOUR times now; Just how bad is your memory?
When words are italicized they are NOT in the Masoretic Texts !
Why do you add to God's Word; have you no fear of YHVH ?
You also take away the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ; I pity you; BD!Rev.22:18 For I testify unto every man(BD) that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the “HolyCity“=117, and from the things which are written in this book.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,19:38) 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Read the full chapter, what came before the part you quoted,
Its funny ,I had this part about the thieves and robbers in my mind -before I logged in and read your quoted part….John 10;1
“I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep.
3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice.”
6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
7Therefore Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.
8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.
9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11″I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
12The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
14″I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—
15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,19:38) 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
You need to read the full chapter, what came before the part you quoted,
Its funny ,I had this part about the true sheppard in my mind -before I logged in and read your quoted part….
Jesus the True Shepherd1 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.
Jesus the Good Shepherd
7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me[a] are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
19 Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. 20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”The Shepherd Knows His Sheep
22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
Renewed Efforts to Stone Jesus
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
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