Moon god?

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The bible says (old and new testemant) that He was and did get crucified.

There is no mention of Jesus by name in the Old Testament.

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Many cannot bear the fact that they also will have to be hated, killed, that they will have to give up all they treasure on earth.
As did Jesus when he cried in the Garden.

Jesus told them how they would be treated I asked you what do you think Jesus meant when he said he can't tell them everything at that time because they could not bear it then?

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:11-13

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Where is the proof that all that was written in it were actually what Mohammad said or saw or did?

The Quran is not about Muhammad, he is not even mentioned by name more than a few times.

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He was the closest to God, and was there from the beginning, and through Him was the world created.

If so, does being the closest to God mean you should give him the Glory of God, Gabriel is also in the presence of God and acted as a spokesman(logos) (Word) of God.

You continue to IDOLIZE Jesus do you really think that is best?

The funny thing is those who are against the Catholic Church practice the same things, it doesn't matter or not if you say Jesus is not God but then worship Jesus as God like the Catholics do and believe me you really worship Jesus as God. 85% of every post you make is regarding Jesus, not God.

Jesus is not your Lord or God if he was he wouldn't have said:

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:14-16

Jesus delivered his disciples to God, yet you do not want to SUBMIT instead you have accepted the messenger as a partner and associate to the one who sent him. You do not declare The Almighty as Sovereign, this goes against the words of God Almighty

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isaiah 43:6-8

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:17-19

But you put partners with God.

I dont Idolize Jesus! Who said I do that? I idolize no-one. You need to know the difference. To listen to Jesus is MUCH different than that. Ok so sure you do get Christians who do that, but I dont! Jesus is not God, I know that?

Lets say I was a queen (lol) and I had a Son, and sent him out to tell the people something. Would I expect them to worship Him? well, no not really that wouldnt make any difference. That wasnt the purpose. Would I expect them to listen to him? Yes! That was the whole purpose!
See thats what I do, I listen to The Son.

You say 85% of my posts made are regarding Jesus, No- sorry, thats only when im talking with you!

Did you go to the links?

And you never answered: why do you listen to Mohammad instead of The Son? I explained to you why and told you the difference.

I have listened to all of the messengers of God and so did Jesus who also quoted them. You keep calling Jesus “son” to yor own preference but when Jesus taught you how to pray he said say “Our Father” he didn't claim special sonship or special precedence with God. He told Mary I go to My God and Your God, To My Father and Your Father.

He told his disciples:

And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Matthew 20:22-24

You keep saying that Jesus co-created everything and yet he says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9-11

Jesus is telling you himself that it is God who “Doeth the works”

March 5, 2010 at 10:40 pm#182058

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,03:20)

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The bible says (old and new testemant) that He was and did get crucified.

There is no mention of Jesus by name in the Old Testament.

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Many cannot bear the fact that they also will have to be hated, killed, that they will have to give up all they treasure on earth.
As did Jesus when he cried in the Garden.

Jesus told them how they would be treated I asked you what do you think Jesus meant when he said he can't tell them everything at that time because they could not bear it then?

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:11-13

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Where is the proof that all that was written in it were actually what Mohammad said or saw or did?

The Quran is not about Muhammad, he is not even mentioned by name more than a few times.

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He was the closest to God, and was there from the beginning, and through Him was the world created.

If so, does being the closest to God mean you should give him the Glory of God, Gabriel is also in the presence of God and acted as a spokesman(logos) (Word) of God.

You continue to IDOLIZE Jesus do you really think that is best?

Jesus is not your Lord or God if he was he wouldn't have said:

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isaiah 43:6-8

But you put partners with God.

You say 85% of my posts made are regarding Jesus, No- sorry, thats only when im talking with you!

Did you go to the links?

And you never answered: why do you listen to Mohammad instead of The Son? I explained to you why and told you the difference.

He told his disciples:

You keep saying that Jesus co-created everything and yet he says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9-11

Jesus is telling you himself that it is God who “Doeth the works”

Heb:2:3: How shall we(BD) escape, if we(He) neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
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March 6, 2010 at 1:15 am#182079

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,09:40)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,03:20)

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The bible says (old and new testemant) that He was and did get crucified.

There is no mention of Jesus by name in the Old Testament.

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Many cannot bear the fact that they also will have to be hated, killed, that they will have to give up all they treasure on earth.
As did Jesus when he cried in the Garden.

Jesus told them how they would be treated I asked you what do you think Jesus meant when he said he can't tell them everything at that time because they could not bear it then?

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:11-13

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Where is the proof that all that was written in it were actually what Mohammad said or saw or did?

The Quran is not about Muhammad, he is not even mentioned by name more than a few times.

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He was the closest to God, and was there from the beginning, and through Him was the world created.

If so, does being the closest to God mean you should give him the Glory of God, Gabriel is also in the presence of God and acted as a spokesman(logos) (Word) of God.

You continue to IDOLIZE Jesus do you really think that is best?

Jesus is not your Lord or God if he was he wouldn't have said:

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isaiah 43:6-8

But you put partners with God.

You say 85% of my posts made are regarding Jesus, No- sorry, thats only when im talking with you!

Did you go to the links?

And you never answered: why do you listen to Mohammad instead of The Son? I explained to you why and told you the difference.

He told his disciples:

You keep saying that Jesus co-created everything and yet he says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9-11

Jesus is telling you himself that it is God who “Doeth the works”

Heb:2:3: How shall we(BD) escape, if we(He) neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
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You should be asking yourself that question

March 6, 2010 at 1:23 am#182080

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,05:20)

He told his disciples:

You keep saying that Jesus co-created everything and yet he says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9-11

Jesus is telling you himself that it is God who “Doeth the works”

God said – This is my Son, listen to Him,
I am the way, the truth and the life. Nobody comes to the Father but through me.
Nobody has seen The Father but the Son.
The world was created through Him. There was nothing made that wasnt made through Him.

Its all there in the bible, im just too tired to look them up today. (Im sorry)
So Bod, Why do you deny what it says?

The way I see it, He was with God as spirit, then his spirit went into flesh, I think the Mormans believe the same.

March 6, 2010 at 2:04 am#182089

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2010,12:23)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,05:20)

He told his disciples:

You keep saying that Jesus co-created everything and yet he says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9-11

Jesus is telling you himself that it is God who “Doeth the works”

Its all there in the bible, im just too tired to look them up today. (Im sorry)
So Bod, Why do you deny what it says?

The way I see it, He was with God as spirit, then his spirit went into flesh, I think the Mormans believe the same.

If you listen to Jesus you will dedicate yourself to God totally.

It doesn't matter who was with God when or where because God does not share HIS GLORY with anyone.

Jesus is no doubt a servant of God and how many others are called sons of God? Even every male believer who says “Our Father”

March 6, 2010 at 2:13 am#182091

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How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

March 6, 2010 at 2:20 am#182093

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King James Version
Acts 3:26 – Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

New King James Version

Acts 3:26 – To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities

Notice the word son is the same word for servant in these two different King James versions?

March 6, 2010 at 4:49 am#182102

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How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ
is David's son? And David himself saith in the book of Psalms,
The LORD ([יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him (Jesus) Lord, how is he then his son?

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

March 6, 2010 at 9:21 am#182120

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If you listen to Jesus you will dedicate yourself to God completly.

I do listen to Him and I do dedicate my life to God-completly.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,15:04)

It doesn't matter who was with God when or where because God does not share HIS GLORY with anyone.

Jesus is no doubt a servant of God and how many others are called sons of God? Even every male believer who says “Our Father”

Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another,

Isaiah 48:11 For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; For how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another.

Psalm 24:9-10 Lift up your heads, O you gates! Lift up, you everlasting doors! And the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, He is the King of glory.

Matthew 16:27 “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.”

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”

John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

He is glorified in Heaven

Revelation 5:11-12 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

March 6, 2010 at 9:56 am#182126

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So- does that agree with the quran?
Are they both in agreement that God shares His glory only with The Son

Doesnt it say God has no Son?

March 6, 2010 at 5:18 pm#182167

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How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

So you agree then that Jesus was telling them that the Bible is not correct saying that Jesus is the son of David, right?

So why did they call Jesus the son of David 14 times in the scriptures?

Paul even backs this up later saying:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29-31

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

If the scriptures are wrong calling Jesus the son of David, how are they suddenly right calling Jesus the Son of God?

The fact is you don't understand the scriptures and don't understand that son and servant are used the same way.

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JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!

What do you mean “my facts”? All you are saying is that some of the scriptures are incorrect. Or you misunderstand them.

But Jesus also points out that if Jesus calls God “The only true God” then how can he be the son of God?

Jesus says to Mary “My God and your God” What Son equates himself with the other servants?

March 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm#182170

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2010,20:56)

So- does that agree with the quran?
Are they both in agreement that God shares His glory only with The Son

Doesnt it say God has no Son?

Karmarie,

You keep trying to put partners with God and it is a very slippery slope but then if you want to go there, the scriptures also say that:

And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
Revelation 15:2-4

Do you not see that Moses has been glorified as well? Also Jesus has his own Glory given to him by God and so does David and all the prophets but you keep trying to play the part of God and assigning greatness to His servants anyway you see fit.

Not so with My servant Moses;He is faithful in all My house.
Numbers 12:6-8

I speak with him face to face,Even plainly, and not in dark sayings; And he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant Moses?”
Numbers 12:7-9

And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
Luke 4:5-7

You see even Satan can give out Glory just how even ED glorifies himself. Stop putting partners with God

March 6, 2010 at 11:30 pm#182204

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,06:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,15:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,13:13)

How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

So you agree then that Jesus was telling them that the Bible is not correct saying that Jesus is the son of David, right?

So why did they call Jesus the son of David 14 times in the scriptures?

Paul even backs this up later saying:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29-31

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

If the scriptures are wrong calling Jesus the son of David, how are they suddenly right calling Jesus the Son of God?

The fact is you don't understand the scriptures and don't understand that son and servant are used the same way.

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JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!

What do you mean “my facts”? All you are saying is that some of the scriptures are incorrect. Or you misunderstand them.

But Jesus also points out that if Jesus calls God “The only true God” then how can he be the son of God?

Jesus says to Mary “My God and your God” What Son equates himself with the other servants?

From David according to the flesh through Mary, and Son of God according to the non- flesh, spirit. As He was before the world was.

Have you ever looked into the Morman's teachings regarding this? If you understood the idea, it could make more sense.

Actually I'l look into it.

March 6, 2010 at 11:36 pm#182205

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,06:34)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2010,20:56)

So- does that agree with the quran?
Are they both in agreement that God shares His glory only with The Son

Doesnt it say God has no Son?

Karmarie,

You keep trying to put partners with God and it is a very slippery slope but then if you want to go there, the scriptures also say that:

Not so with My servant Moses;He is faithful in all My house.
Numbers 12:6-8

I speak with him face to face,Even plainly, and not in dark sayings; And he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant Moses?”
Numbers 12:7-9

And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
Luke 4:5-7

You see even Satan can give out Glory just how even ED glorifies himself. Stop putting partners with God

Your avoiding what I said!

The Quran and Bible say 2 different things, so which one is true? Only one can be. Id rather listen to the only begotten Son of God than a Man who says something else,

Put your trust in Him Bod. He is the way the truth and the life. And no-one comes to the Father but through Him.

March 7, 2010 at 12:44 am#182217

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,04:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,15:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,13:13)

How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

So you agree then that Jesus was telling them that the Bible is not correct saying that Jesus is the son of David, right?

So why did they call Jesus the son of David 14 times in the scriptures?

Paul even backs this up later saying:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29-31

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

If the scriptures are wrong calling Jesus the son of David, how are they suddenly right calling Jesus the Son of God?

The fact is you don't understand the scriptures and don't understand that son and servant are used the same way.

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JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!

What do you mean “my facts”? All you are saying is that some of the scriptures are incorrect. Or you misunderstand them.

But Jesus also points out that if Jesus calls God “The only true God” then how can he be the son of God?

Jesus says to Mary “My God and your God” What Son equates himself with the other servants?

Why do you always try to make God's Word (Falsely) wrong and the 'book of fraud'=114 (falsely) correct?

Romans 14:12: So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Do you really hold little or no respect for God?

March 7, 2010 at 1:34 am#182224

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Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 07 2010,10:36)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,06:34)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2010,20:56)

So- does that agree with the quran?
Are they both in agreement that God shares His glory only with The Son

Doesnt it say God has no Son?

Karmarie,

You keep trying to put partners with God and it is a very slippery slope but then if you want to go there, the scriptures also say that:

Not so with My servant Moses;He is faithful in all My house.
Numbers 12:6-8

I speak with him face to face,Even plainly, and not in dark sayings; And he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant Moses?”
Numbers 12:7-9

And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
Luke 4:5-7

You see even Satan can give out Glory just how even ED glorifies himself. Stop putting partners with God

Your avoiding what I said!

The Quran and Bible say 2 different things, so which one is true? Only one can be. Id rather listen to the only begotten Son of God than a Man who says something else,

Put your trust in Him Bod. He is the way the truth and the life. And no-one comes to the Father but through Him.

So how did Moses get to the Father, Elijah, John the Baptist, Noah, David, Solomon, Lot, Abraham, Joshua, Adam…etc.

You simply do not understand that Jesus was talking to those who he was sent to. When Moses was sent no one could get to the Father except through Moses. It was Moses that ALLAH sent and delivered His people out of Egypt he was their Saviour:

And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Isaiah 19:19-21

but ultimately God is the ONLY SAVIOUR but you refuse to believe the truth.

God says:

Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.
Nehemiah 9:26-28

God does not share HIS Glory with anyone and the scripture you Quoted does not say that Jesus shared God's glory it says that Jesus had Glory with God meaning that God gave him his own glory. Do you know what Glory means?

glo·ry (glôr, glr)
n. pl. glo·ries
1. Great honor, praise, or distinction accorded by common consent; renown.

As you can see from this definition Jesus and all the prophets were given Glory but their Glory is not the distinction of being GOD ALMIGHTY.

You see this is the problem you take all the glory and honor that God has bestowed on all his other servants and accout them as nothing.

You have no regard for all those sent before Jesus and hence you have no regard for those who were sent after Jesus.

You keep attempting to Make Jesus equal to God and so it is you that disagrees with the Old Testament:

Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
1 Chronicles 29:10-12

You keep attempting to Make Jesus equal to God and so it is you that disagrees with the New Testament and Jesus:

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6:12-14

and The Glorious Quran

And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' ” He will say: “glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #116)

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

God has also given others glory:

Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
Daniel 2:36-38

That scripture is not about Jesus it's about the King Nebuchadnezzar.

Do you think because God has given him these things it makes him too equal to God? or that the glory, power and kingdom are compared to God's Glory and Power?

This is why a person must read the Quran because the Bible is jumbled up to a person who does not understand Jewish culture.

You keep saying God has a son but tell me how is it that God has a son when he has no consort, no wife, no mate, no genitals, no Body…etc. Please if you know tell me how this is possible?

But also tell me how it is that ADam is also called “son of God” and how could he be the son of God in anyway unless it is a metaphor.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Numbers 23:18-20

March 7, 2010 at 1:38 am#182225

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How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

So you agree then that Jesus was telling them that the Bible is not correct saying that Jesus is the son of David, right?

So why did they call Jesus the son of David 14 times in the scriptures?

Paul even backs this up later saying:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29-31

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

If the scriptures are wrong calling Jesus the son of David, how are they suddenly right calling Jesus the Son of God?

The fact is you don't understand the scriptures and don't understand that son and servant are used the same way.

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JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!

What do you mean “my facts”? All you are saying is that some of the scriptures are incorrect. Or you misunderstand them.

But Jesus also points out that if Jesus calls God “The only true God” then how can he be the son of God?

Jesus says to Mary “My God and your God” What Son equates himself with the other servants?

Why do you always try to make God's Word (Falsely) wrong and the 'book of fraud'=114 (falsely) correct?

Romans 14:12: So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Do you really hold little or no respect for God?

So you say that:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 11:1-3

Jesus had the fear of his Father?

March 7, 2010 at 1:45 am#182226

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How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

So you agree then that Jesus was telling them that the Bible is not correct saying that Jesus is the son of David, right?

So why did they call Jesus the son of David 14 times in the scriptures?

Paul even backs this up later saying:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29-31

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

If the scriptures are wrong calling Jesus the son of David, how are they suddenly right calling Jesus the Son of God?

The fact is you don't understand the scriptures and don't understand that son and servant are used the same way.

Quote

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!

What do you mean “my facts”? All you are saying is that some of the scriptures are incorrect. Or you misunderstand them.

But Jesus also points out that if Jesus calls God “The only true God” then how can he be the son of God?

Jesus says to Mary “My God and your God” What Son equates himself with the other servants?

Why do you always try to make God's Word (Falsely) wrong and the 'book of fraud'=114 (falsely) correct?

Romans 14:12: So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Do you really hold little or no respect for God?

So you say that:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 11:1-3

Jesus had the fear of his Father?

Hi BD,

Why is it you don't seem to hold no fear of Jesus' Father?

Ed J

March 7, 2010 at 2:10 am#182227

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2010,12:45)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,12:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2010,11:44)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2010,04:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,15:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2010,13:13)

How come I don't see you cheering that Jesus is the son of David? After all Jesus is called the “son of David” 14 times. So how is it Jesus is the Son of David?

Hi BD,

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!
Son of David is Mary's Father's lineage; Jesus' Father is GOD!

Drop the 'moon god', he's (satan) getting you nowhere fast.
When are you going to come back to the REAL GOD!

So you agree then that Jesus was telling them that the Bible is not correct saying that Jesus is the son of David, right?

So why did they call Jesus the son of David 14 times in the scriptures?

Paul even backs this up later saying:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29-31

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

If the scriptures are wrong calling Jesus the son of David, how are they suddenly right calling Jesus the Son of God?

The fact is you don't understand the scriptures and don't understand that son and servant are used the same way.

Quote

JESUS IS NOT DAVID'S SON, get your FACTS Straight; BD!

What do you mean “my facts”? All you are saying is that some of the scriptures are incorrect. Or you misunderstand them.

But Jesus also points out that if Jesus calls God “The only true God” then how can he be the son of God?

Jesus says to Mary “My God and your God” What Son equates himself with the other servants?

Why do you always try to make God's Word (Falsely) wrong and the 'book of fraud'=114 (falsely) correct?

Romans 14:12: So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Do you really hold little or no respect for God?

So you say that:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 11:1-3

Jesus had the fear of his Father?

Hi BD,

Why is it you don't seem to hold no fear of Jesus' Father?

Ed J

I fear God and so does Jesus and we both pray “Our Father” so what is the difference?

March 7, 2010 at 3:28 am#182233