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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,10:05) The religion of Abraham is ISLAM
Hi BD,Abraham left religion to follow the living God. (Joshua 24:2-3)
Joshua 24:2-3 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel,
Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah,
the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.Like you BD, you follow other gods as well. (Jer.10:10-12 / Ezekiel 28:13-19)
Jer.10:10-12 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king:
at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they
shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. [YHVH] hath made the earth by his power,
[YHVH] hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (karmarie @ June 18 2010,10:20) Bod, Islam became such a huge religeon, it isnt the same religeon as the New testement, its growing faster than Christianity if I remember right, so, in the New and old Testement theres 2 things. The first in Zechariah 12 2… “Lo, I am making Jerusalem a cup of reeling To all the peoples round about, And also against Judah it is, In the siege against Jerusalem. 3 And it hath come to pass, in that day, I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all the peoples, All loading it are completely pressed down, And gathered against it have been all nations of the earth.”
10…”And I have poured on the house of David, And on the inhabitant of Jerusalem, A spirit of grace and supplications, And they have looked unto Me whom they pierced, And they have mourned over it, Like a mourning over the only one, And they have been in bitterness for it, Like a bitterness over the first-born.”
New Testement,
Revelations 13:10;
If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.Revelation 13;16 “He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads”
The Beast is worshiped.
I do know that in the Quran it says the mark of prostration is on the forehead and by this they will either enter Heaven or Hell but I dont feel this is a literal mark spoken of but forehead or right hand means mind and actions. Faith, belief, thoughts, actions,
Revelations 13:16; “..and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast.”
Many countries in the Middle East are using an ID card, on the card it states Religion (M for Muslim, C for Christian or J for Jew) The cards are needed for buying (bank accounts), education, medical care, work. Christians in the Middle East feel they are being denied things with these cards…it can only get worse I think.
The “whole world being decieved” could mean just the Middle East (Maps showing Islam and how it has spread are quite amazing).
Imagine with the expected coming Mahdi what could happen (Irans president already believes he is in 'Talks' with this Mahdi)
Revelations 20:4 The souls of those are seen who were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus Word of God.
What other religion in the World so huge has within its writtings that non Muslims should be beheaded? I know of none.
You're starting to sound like ED just guessing about.Did you not know that Christians have beheaded people? Please don't try to guess everything just look at your scriptures and follow its teachings instead of creating conflict out of your own imagination. By the way beheading is not unique to Islam look in your own bible
Therefore David ran and stood over the Philistine, took his sword and drew it out of its sheath and killed him, and cut off his head with it. And when the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.
1 Samuel 17:50-52Then the woman in her wisdom went to all the people. And they cut off the head of Sheba the son of Bichri, and threw it out to Joab. Then he blew a trumpet, and they withdrew from the city, every man to his tent. So Joab returned to the king at Jerusalem.
2 Samuel 20:21-23It was not a Muslim who cut off the head of John the Baptist either.
Simply use your common sense when coming up with your theories, just think who else has done this where else has this happened.
It's like stoning you won't find it is the Quran but you will find the practice in the Bible and guess what in thos countries that practice stoning they learned it from the Jews who move words around in their text they would STONE the EVIL but the fact is STONING IS EVIL you must learn and think through befoe you post
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,14:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,10:05) The religion of Abraham is ISLAM
Hi BD,Abraham left religion to follow the living God. (Joshua 24:2-3)
Joshua 24:2-3 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel,
Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah,
the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.Like you BD, you follow other gods as well. (Jer.10:10-12 / Ezekiel 28:13-19)
Jer.10:10-12 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king:
at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they
shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. [YHVH] hath made the earth by his power,
[YHVH] hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #125)Sura #6 The cattle
73 It is He who created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): the day He saith, “Be,” behold! it is. His word is the truth. His will be the dominion the day the trumpet will be blown. He knoweth the unseen as well as that which is open. For He is the Wise, well acquainted (with all things).
74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”
75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.
76 When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: “This is my Lord.” But when it set, He said: “I love not those that set.”
77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.”
78 When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all).” But when the sun set, he said: “O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
79 “For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.”
80 His people disputed with him. He said: “(Come) ye to dispute with me, about Allah, when He (Himself) hath guided me? I fear not (the beings) ye associate with Allah. Unless my Lord willeth, (nothing can happen). My Lord comprehendeth in His knowledge all things. Will ye not (yourselves) be admonished?
81 “How should I fear (the beings) ye associate with Allah, when ye fear not to give partners to Allah without any warrant having been given to you? Which of (us) two parties hath more right to security? (tell me) if ye know.
82 “It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with wrong – that are (truly) in security, for they are on (right) guidance.”
83 That was the reasoning about Us, which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will, degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
84 We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:
85 And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
lord allah=moongod
.Bod, I tried to ignore this, but I cant any longer.
Quote I'm not trying to be funny but you may be bipolar you can't seem to stay grounded or know what you actually believe. How far will you go to defend Islam?
lies bod.
You wouldnt believe how angry that made me.
I calmed myself down, , its ok, its only tactic. its no big deal.What if I was someone else? What if I didnt know myself?
What if I was weak….vulnerable…easily led?
I couldnt IMAGINE if you said that to me years ago. Id have believed you.People here joke about things like that. You tried to pass it off as serious!
Why?
Then, not only that, but you took words which someone else said to me, and used them….
Then you tried to get Ed to agree with you.I cant believe it, really.
Quote (karmarie @ June 18 2010,16:54) Bod, I tried to ignore this, but I cant any longer. Quote I'm not trying to be funny but you may be bipolar you can't seem to stay grounded or know what you actually believe. How far will you go to defend Islam?
lies bod.
You wouldnt believe how angry that made me.
I calmed myself down, , its ok, its only tactic. its no big deal.What if I was someone else? What if I didnt know myself?
What if I was weak….vulnerable…easily led?
I couldnt IMAGINE if you said that to me years ago. Id have believed you.People here joke about things like that. You tried to pass it off as serious!
Why?
Then, not only that, but you took words which someone else said to me, and used them….
Then you tried to get Ed to agree with you.I cant believe it, really.
Actually I love you but I was serious, I do think you're bipolar.That's not a bad thing if it's true. You have to learn to focus and be clear.
I didn't say that to defend Islam as Islam needs no such defense and I didn't say it to hurt your feelings I said it because you waver constantly and extremely.
I wasn't trying to get ED to agree with me, I said that you should agree with ED and not try to fix him if you believe what he believes.
ED is someone who uses his imagination to the detriment of reality he has a great sense of self-importance. I am saying that way of thinking is detrimental to someone as fragile as you are but day by day I see you using the same garbage tactics instead of focusing on TRUTH.
Leave the conspiracies alone and just love God.
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
lord allah=moongod
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I have no respect for you at all at this point because you LOVE a LIE77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.”
Why would you misquote the Quran just to be right, don't you realize God knows you are lying or do you think you are doing God a favor by lying?
Bod, thats it, im never speaking to you again, actually, I think I'l report these posts because, you talk any lies you want to, to defend your religion, I just cant believe it, you are unbelievable, HOW do you know me? You dont. You cant judge me based on 3 posts a day on a forum, do you see me? most people see me, no-one has ever said what you did.
REALITY is this, I have 5 children, I have responsibilities, when I post, I have kids running around im multi tasking and iv said that so many times, I was only called to this 5 years ago, I havent had time to study the bible as most here, I come on a forum like this, opinions are all different, this means – that means – wow, im only young in all this, most here including you have studied for many more years. Now if I was weak I would crumble what you said. But im not thank God, I have been given strength because life can build character either good or bad.
Dont answer me again.
AND I mean it, dont answer me dont speak to me – get it? good.
I will be watching you dont say anything like this to anyone else too.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
lord allah=moongod
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I have no respect for you at all at this point because you LOVE a LIE
Hi BD,I ain't looking for your respect. (Rom.2:11)
Are you looking at yourself in the mirror again?James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a [mirror]: For he
beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.Psalm 18:25-28 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will
show thyself froward. For thou(YHVH) will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Is.60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 19 2010,05:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
lord allah=moongod
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I have no respect for you at all at this point because you LOVE a LIE
Hi BD,I ain't looking for your respect. (Rom.2:11)
Are you looking at yourself in the mirror again?James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a [mirror]: For he
beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.Psalm 18:25-28 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will
show thyself froward. For thou(YHVH) will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Is.60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ExactlyQuote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2010,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2010,05:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
lord allah=moongod
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I have no respect for you at all at this point because you LOVE a LIE
Hi BD,I ain't looking for your respect. (Rom.2:11)
Are you looking at yourself in the mirror again?James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a [mirror]: For he
beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.Psalm 18:25-28 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will
show thyself froward. For thou(YHVH) will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Is.60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Exactly
So then you admit that you do love a Lie: the 'book of fraud'=114!
.Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2010,18:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2010,07:33) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2010,05:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
lord allah=moongod
.
I have no respect for you at all at this point because you LOVE a LIE
Hi BD,I ain't looking for your respect. (Rom.2:11)
Are you looking at yourself in the mirror again?James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a [mirror]: For he
beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.Psalm 18:25-28 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will
show thyself froward. For thou(YHVH) will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Is.60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Exactly
So then you admit that you do love a Lie: the 'book of fraud'=114!
.
.
Lucifer liar = 114.
Lies About Allah
From Christian Ph.D. Robert Morey
Quran proves – “Allah” is NOT a 'moon god':
“And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to “Allah” Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.” [Noble Quran 41:37]The Christian acquaintance who sent me a copy of Morey's booklet also sent me five questions related to this subject. I will attempt to answer them below:
Question 1:
What is the significance of the crescent moon in Islam?Answer:
The Quran answers this question before you asked it. Read this verse:“They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage.” [Noble Quran 2:189]
Question 2:
Why does Islam follow a lunar calendar?Answer:
In both the Bible and the Quran religious festivals are regulated by the lunar calendar. Jews and Muslims have kept to these regulations which they believe to be from God. Why does Christianity follow a solar calendar?Question 3:
Why is the feast of Ramadan marked by the appearance of the crescent moon?Answer:
I think you mean the fast of Ramadan. God commanded Muslims in the Quran to fast from dawn to sunset during the month called Ramadan (see Quran 2:185, 187). The beginning and end of the month is determined by the crescent (2:189) based on the instruction of God's Messenger, on whom be peace.Why this method and not another is not for us to say but for God and His Messenger to prescribe. However, I find it an efficient method. It is a universally applicable method, and it allows for Ramadan to move through all the seasons. This allows believers to have the pleasure of worshipping God by fasting in all the various seasons: one year in the summer, some years later in the winter.
Question 4:
Why does the Quran place the Sabians on the same level with Jews and Christians when scholars have clearly proven that the Sabians were involved in the moon cult?Answer:
I am not aware that the Quran has placed the Sabians on the same level with Jews and Christians. Perhaps you have in mind the following verse:“Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabians, whoever believes in “Allah” and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
[Noble Quran 2:62; also 5:69]This verse, however, does not place the Sabians on the same level as the Jews and Christians except in a particular context. The verse speaks of four distinct communities, and offers all four the opportunity to fear not nor grieve if only they would believe in “Allah” and the Last Day and do right. The four communities are:
the Believers (i.e., the Muslims)
the Jews
the Christians
the SabiansWhile they are all offered the same opportunity for improvement, nothing, is said in this verse about the validity of the existing faiths of these four communities. Otherwise the Jews and Christians who are criticized in the Quran for their deviations will not be placed on the same level with the believers. The matter becomes clear when you realize that believers here does not mean saved persons but those who ostensibly belong to the community of Muslims. They, as well as the other three groups, must do the following to be saved: believe in “Allah”, believe in the Last Day, and do right. Doing right, according to the Quran, includes following every teaching of Muhammad.
Question 5:
Did the Meccans worship the true God since they recognized “Allah”? Was “Allah” one of the gods of the Ka'bah?
And if so, where did the Meccans derive the recognition and the name of “Allah” from?Answer:
First, “Allah” was not one of the 360 idols which were in the Ka'bah, although Morey has claimed this without evidence. When the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) entered Makkah victorious he went into the Ka'bah and broke the idols therein.Second, the word “Allah” has been used all along for the name of “God” in the Arabic Bible for Jews and Christians alike. The proof is easy to verify; simple go to any hotel or motel on the earth and look in the drawer next to the bed and take out the complimentary Bible, placed there by the Giddeons and then look on page 5 or 6 where they list the examples of translations they have made into other languages. The second example given is for Arabic speakers. The verse is from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 16. Everyone knows this one; “For God so loved the world…” and the word in Arabic for “God” is “Allah.” Then if you have a Bible in Arabic, look on page one in Genesis, and you will find the word “Allah” 17 times.
Next, the word for “God” to the Arabs, ever since the time of Abraham (peace be upon him) has been “Allah” and He is to them, the Lord of the Ka'bah (the black box in the center of the Holy Sanctuary in Makkah). He was the unseen God whom they would call upon when in distress. Yes, they worshipped the true God but their worship was not purely for Him. They also worshipped other gods thinking that they would act as intermediaries between them and the true God Allah.
The Arabs know of Allah because Abraham visited Makkah and together with his son Ishmael laid the foundation of the Ka'bah. The descendants of Ishmael retained some of the worship rites and beliefs from Abraham. This included their knowledge of the true God Allah.
Elsewhere we have shown conclusively that the true god, “El” of the Bible is the same as “Allah” of the Quran.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 23 2010,08:06) Lies About Allah From Christian Ph.D. Robert Morey
Quran proves – “Allah” is NOT a 'moon god':
“And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to “Allah” Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.” [Noble Quran 41:37]The Christian acquaintance who sent me a copy of Morey's booklet also sent me five questions related to this subject. I will attempt to answer them below:
Question 1:
What is the significance of the crescent moon in Islam?Answer:
The Quran answers this question before you asked it. Read this verse:“They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage.” [Noble Quran 2:189]
Question 2:
Why does Islam follow a lunar calendar?Answer:
In both the Bible and the Quran religious festivals are regulated by the lunar calendar. Jews and Muslims have kept to these regulations which they believe to be from God. Why does Christianity follow a solar calendar?Question 3:
Why is the feast of Ramadan marked by the appearance of the crescent moon?Answer:
I think you mean the fast of Ramadan. God commanded Muslims in the Quran to fast from dawn to sunset during the month called Ramadan (see Quran 2:185, 187). The beginning and end of the month is determined by the crescent (2:189) based on the instruction of God's Messenger, on whom be peace.Why this method and not another is not for us to say but for God and His Messenger to prescribe. However, I find it an efficient method. It is a universally applicable method, and it allows for Ramadan to move through all the seasons. This allows believers to have the pleasure of worshipping God by fasting in all the various seasons: one year in the summer, some years later in the winter.
Question 4:
Why does the Quran place the Sabians on the same level with Jews and Christians when scholars have clearly proven that the Sabians were involved in the moon cult?Answer:
I am not aware that the Quran has placed the Sabians on the same level with Jews and Christians. Perhaps you have in mind the following verse:“Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabians, whoever believes in “Allah” and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
[Noble Quran 2:62; also 5:69]This verse, however, does not place the Sabians on the same level as the Jews and Christians except in a particular context. The verse speaks of four distinct communities, and offers all four the opportunity to fear not nor grieve if only they would believe in “Allah” and the Last Day and do right. The four communities are:
the Believers (i.e., the Muslims)
the Jews
the Christians
the SabiansWhile they are all offered the same opportunity for improvement, nothing, is said in this verse about the validity of the existing faiths of these four communities. Otherwise the Jews and Christians who are criticized in the Quran for their deviations will not be placed on the same level with the believers. The matter becomes clear when you realize that believers here does not mean saved persons but those who ostensibly belong to the community of Muslims. They, as well as the other three groups, must do the following to be saved: believe in “Allah”, believe in the Last Day, and do right. Doing right, according to the Quran, includes following every teaching of Muhammad.
Question 5:
Did the Meccans worship the true God since they recognized “Allah”? Was “Allah” one of the gods of the Ka'bah?
And if so, where did the Meccans derive the recognition and the name of “Allah” from?Answer:
First, “Allah” was not one of the 360 idols which were in the Ka'bah, although Morey has claimed this without evidence. When the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) entered Makkah victorious he went into the Ka'bah and broke the idols therein.Second, the word “Allah” has been used all along for the name of “God” in the Arabic Bible for Jews and Christians alike. The proof is easy to verify; simple go to any hotel or motel on the earth and look in the drawer next to the bed and take out the complimentary Bible, placed there by the Giddeons and then look on page 5 or 6 where they list the examples of translations they have made into other languages. The second example given is for Arabic speakers. The verse is from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 16. Everyone knows this one; “For God so loved the world…” and the word in Arabic for “God” is “Allah.” Then if you have a Bible in Arabic, look on page one in Genesis, and you will find the word “Allah” 17 times.
Next, the word for “God” to the Arabs, ever since the time of Abraham (peace be upon him) has been “Allah” and He is to them, the Lord of the Ka'bah (the black box in the center of the Holy Sanctuary in Makkah). He was the unseen God whom they would call upon when in distress. Yes, they worshipped the true God but their worship was not purely for Him. They also worshipped other gods thinking that they would act as intermediaries between them and the true God Allah.
The Arabs know of Allah because Abraham visited Makkah and together with his son Ishmael laid the foundation of the Ka'bah. The descendants of Ishmael retained some of the worship rites and beliefs from Abraham. This included their knowledge of the true God Allah.
Elsewhere we have shown conclusively that the true god, “El” of the Bible is the same as “Allah” of the Quran.
Lies?I found your Q and A intresting but it doesnt answer my direct questions.
please do.
Bod,
According to your Q and A,1)there is enough proof before muhammed that his fathers names had alllah in it!
N/A
2)Allah was used as a pagan God
You have agreed to this before
3) was the God of the moon.
Also agreed to this
4) the symbol of islam is a crecent moon.
True
5) every mosque has a moon
True
6) Muhammed already worshiped this God before gabriel apperanced.
True
7) Muhammed conveintly changed the deity of the Moon God to be the only God.
You deny this.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,14:22) Bod,
According to your Q and A,1)there is enough proof before muhammed that his fathers names had alllah in it!
N/A
2)Allah was used as a pagan God
You have agreed to this before
3) was the God of the moon.
Also agreed to this
4) the symbol of islam is a crecent moon.
True
5) every mosque has a moon
True
6) Muhammed already worshiped this God before gabriel apperanced.
True
7) Muhammed conveintly changed the deity of the Moon God to be the only God.
You deny this.
The cresent moon is not the symbol of IslamIslam has no symbol at all
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 23 2010,08:44) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,14:22) Bod,
According to your Q and A,1)there is enough proof before muhammed that his fathers names had alllah in it!
N/A
2)Allah was used as a pagan God
You have agreed to this before
3) was the God of the moon.
Also agreed to this
4) the symbol of islam is a crecent moon.
True
5) every mosque has a moon
True
6) Muhammed already worshiped this God before gabriel apperanced.
True
7) Muhammed conveintly changed the deity of the Moon God to be the only God.
You deny this.
The cresent moon is not the symbol of IslamIslam has no symbol at all
Bod?You know very well,
isnt this on top of every mosque Bod?The flag of turkey and the flag of pakinstan both have the same islamic symbol.
This is the islamic symbol.
why didnt you answer the rest of my claims
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 23 2010,08:44) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,14:22) Bod,
According to your Q and A,1)there is enough proof before muhammed that his fathers names had alllah in it!
N/A
2)Allah was used as a pagan God
You have agreed to this before
3) was the God of the moon.
Also agreed to this
4) the symbol of islam is a crecent moon.
True
5) every mosque has a moon
True
6) Muhammed already worshiped this God before gabriel apperanced.
True
7) Muhammed conveintly changed the deity of the Moon God to be the only God.
You deny this.
The cresent moon is not the symbol of IslamIslam has no symbol at all
Bod?You know very well,
isnt this on top of every mosque Bod?The flag of turkey and the flag of pakinstan both have the same islamic symbol.
This is the islamic symbol.
why didnt you answer the rest of my claims
Though the crescent was originally a secular symbol of authority for Muslim rulers, it is now often used to symbolize the Islamic faith. However, it should be noted that the crescent was not a symbol used for Islam by Muhammad or any other early Muslim rulers, as the Islamic religion is, in fact, against appointing “Holy Symbols” (so that during the early centuries of Islam, Muslim authorities simply didn't want any geometric symbols to be used to symbolize Islam, in the way that the cross symbolizes Christianity, the menorah was a commonly-occurring symbol of Judaism, etc.). This is why early Islamic coins were covered with Arabic writing, but contained no visual symbols.
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