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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 08 2010,13:29) Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 06 2010,15:05) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 06 2010,03:02) Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 05 2010,14:27) SF: IMO sins have to do with ones relationship with God. Sin is an error or mistake of ones mind that could make him believe that he is separated, for any reason, from God. Sin is a mental mistake. Mans relationship with God is mental. Mans earthly trek is completely controled by man. Only through prayer or asking God for help can God move for the benefit of man. Man rules the earth. God gave it to him. Mistakes here on earth have nothing to do with ones relationship with God! This is an extremely important thread. Bless you, TK
Tk,
Sin is more than a mental state,
first of all its in our nature to sin,
not about the mind in the end, its about the intentions of your heart.
sin is the by product of hate,
incorrect, man does not rule the earth, that was given up to the devil when man fell.
Jesus gave us our rights back to rule the earth per say.
I think your scratching the surface of sin,i see you post alot about the mind and choices, there is more depth than that. God HATES sin, study Gods reaction to such a thing, its more than just thuoghts and actions.
Mistakes can cost you your life fyi.
Mistakes can cause other to fall, can cause others to die.
lets say one made a mistake by using raw meat in a fast food restuarnt, a costumer ate it and died,sin or mistake?
SF: I want so bad to get my point across about sin yet I am doing so poorly. Please allow me another attempt!As students of the Bible we must separate the teachings from a lesson on how to live on earth in physicality from spirit teachings of Jesus that were always pertaining to mans relationship to God.
The nt scriptures are teaching us how to return to God. They were lost in sin. Jesus came to teach the truth about the way to God/where God is. The religious order of the old test. had failed and were lost in darkness and sin.
Actually darkness and sin are the same. Not knowing the truth about your union with God means your mind is disconnected to the truth by either sin or darkness or being un-aware, or thinking incorrectly that you and God were ever separated for any reason!
God is spirit, light, truth, and he is everywhere! God is pheuma, air, life, and goodness. God is thought, words, and beliefs through awarness. Total relationship in thd MIND!
As a human finds Jesus, the truth of God, in his thinking/mind, through awareness and acceptance he is in union with God.
This is being born again. A menal recreation of the sinful human mind. As a man searches the words of God through Jesus he either agrees with them and believes them thereby becoming one with them or he dis-believes some or all of the words and becomes lukewarm in God.
Lukewarm is chaotic and scatterbrained. A reed blowing to and fro in the wind. God said lukewarm he would spit out!
If mankind accepts the purified words of God, offered through Jesus, of pure love, cleanliness, perfection, forgiveness for wrong thinking,and basic salvation, to whatever degree one recieves in his mind/awareness, to that degree he is being re- created of God.
Sin is being unable to accept the perfection freely given by God through Jesus. Sin is a mistake. Sin is an error of thinking that you are being graded by what you do on the earth. Sin is thinking that what you do or don't do on earth dictates
your relationship with God. Sin is believing in works. Sin is sinful thinking or thinking one is still in sin. Sin is refusing to
believe that you have no sin. Since God has cleansed us it is sin to deny that truth. Sin is not believing the truth that you have no more sin.
Sin is rejecting the truth of Jesus. Sin is thinking that purification unto God is based on ones good works or bad works.
Sin is rejecting salvation by faith! Sin says you must still do something for perfection. That is a lie. Jesus did it all. Jesus paid the price. The work for perfection is done by Christ.
Its time to believe to recieve. Believing connects us with God.
Awareness that God never left us, ever. He has always been within his creation. The creation covered his awarness of that truth by accepting lies.Thinking that works have anything to do with ones perfection unto God is straight out denial of Jesus and the truth.
IMO the work of today is to believe the truth of Jesus. He did the work for us and gave us rest in him. God Bless, TK
Tk,Im not disagreeing with you, but there is more to that.
Do you believe that a relationship sticks to the mind,
do you believe sticks to the heart?Its all connected.
What is needed is not only done in the mind, but by action and truth.John 3:18-My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
In other words my beloved brother,
i agree with you,
but there is MORE to it.dont limit yourself, you often claim this point about the mind, and about what one believes is what the exert. which is true.
what one beliefs is what they live,
but lets go beyond that.
There is more my friend,
Its never that simple.to be born again is not just mental by phyiscal.
Do you know how Physical God is?
God is Spirit,its not just about the mind, its about your heart, every inch of you.
Thats why the son was sent,
it wasnt just Jesus state of mind, every inch of him, every thought, everything was for us.Get what im saying,
dont limit your self.
dont stick to that being it,theres more.
SF: Man has the nature of his creator, God. Man has God's spirit, and God's mind (Christos). Please never say we have a sin nature. By believing that, you are saying that you desire to do wrong and be in error and so does all mankind. That is sin/error!I agree that sin is a product of hate but we are products of love/good/perfection/God!
If you think a lier and deceiver is the god of this world you are in trouble and have bought into the religious lie!
Mind is you and mind is God! You decide how important it is. You can only experience anything through mental awareness.
God hates sin because sin is actually an illusion of the mind that causes separation from God which in truth cannot be!
Other peoples mistakes cannot cause us to fall unless we have faith in their mistake. If now from your example of raw meat you are in fear of that possiblility happening to you,
beware. Fearful thoughts contemplated and incubated in the powerful mind of man will manifest just as good thoughts will.
The tree of the knowledge of good/life/power/health and the tree of the knowledge of evil/death/sickness/disease/fear is
still alive and well. Jesus is the tree of life. We can choose whatever we believe! Jesus said whatsoever a man de
sires when he prays he shall receive.IMOThanks for reading, God bless you, TK
Quote (kerwin @ July 08 2010,03:36) Gene, I looked at a dictionary for the dictionary and was told that an iniquity is a gross sin while a sin is any transgression of the law. Assuming the translates are correct this is equivalent to the Catholics teaching of the difference of mortal sins and venial sins. The Catholics are not correct when they say you commit a venial sin and not have your soul become dead to God as any sin causes you to become dead to God.
It is possible though that violating the dietary laws is a sin while violating the prohibition against coveting is an iniquity. Of course it is also possible that God was using synonyms to emphasize a point. What the actual case is I have no idea though I do know that all sin comes from the heart according to Jesus and Jesus does not lie.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwin ……….That is why i wanted you to go from scripture to see the definition of the word Iniquity. Because i believe our dictionary has the meaning wrong, because of abridging that has taken place in the English language , Like the meaning of the word Faith has been changed from scriptural definitions.Let me give you what i have previously quoted Where Jesus said many would come unto him and say Lord Lord in you (Name) we have done all these good works. Notice Jesus did not deny there works they did, He simply called them workers of iniquity. This strongly defines iniquity as a work that one (thinks) is a pleasing work to God when in fact it is not at all. You might say a misdirected work. Think of how many people today belonging to all the thousands of different organized religion believe they are serving God when in Fact they are not, they are works of Iniquity. Because the suppose that by (THEIR) works they are of GOD when in Fact it is their own works they are doing to appease and get acceptance from God.
God Work is evidenced by a Change of Heart (IN) a person and sure it does produce good fruit in our live the fruits of mercy and love for our fellow man and true goodness is the results, But there is also an ability to appease through the medium of fear and can cause him to be moved to perform even good works of (appearance) of Charity, But the underlying cause is not LOVE (IN) them But fear is driving them. Even though both types of people can produce a good work yet only one is truly of GOD which works through Love and compassion, while the other is a work of (SELF) preservation.
That is what i believe is the difference between a Worker of Iniquity and a true believe and Love driven Pearson of GOD. One Shows up in sacrifice driven out of Love , the Other is driven by (SELF) preservation.
Therefore it is written ” sacrifice and offerings thou shall not want , but a broken and contrite (HEART) is a sacrifice to GOD”>
If we walk with a broken and contract heart toward all, we are (truly) pleasing to GOD , If we put away the pointing of the finger and accusing others, if we bind up the broken and bring the poor into our houses the feed the hungry extending forgiveness and mercy toward all, (form the heart) we will be accepted by man and GOD. IMO
Isa 58:5……Is not this the fast that I haven chosen? t loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every yoke? 7…> Is it not to deal your bread to the Hungary, and you bring the poor that are cast out in thy house? when you see the naked that you cover him; and the you hide not thyself from thine own flesh ?(all man kind is one flesh) 8…> Then shall you light break forth as the morning, and your health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before you; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rearward.9….> Then shall you call, and the LORD shall answer; you shall cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If you will take away from the midst of you the YOKE, the putting forth of the finger (blaming others), and speaking vanity; 10…> and draw out your (SOUL) to the hungry, then shall your light rise in obscurity, and your darkness be as noonday: and the LORD shall guide you continually,……….>
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 08 2010,15:43) SF: Man has the nature of his creator, God. Man has God's spirit, and God's mind (Christos). Please never say we have a sin nature. By believing that, you are saying that you desire to do wrong and be in error and so does all mankind. That is sin/error! I agree that sin is a product of hate but we are products of love/good/perfection/God!
If you think a lier and deceiver is the god of this world you are in trouble and have bought into the religious lie!
Mind is you and mind is God! You decide how important it is. You can only experience anything through mental awareness.
God hates sin because sin is actually an illusion of the mind that causes separation from God which in truth cannot be!
Other peoples mistakes cannot cause us to fall unless we have faith in their mistake. If now from your example of raw meat you are in fear of that possiblility happening to you,
beware. Fearful thoughts contemplated and incubated in the powerful mind of man will manifest just as good thoughts will.
The tree of the knowledge of good/life/power/health and the tree of the knowledge of evil/death/sickness/disease/fear is
still alive and well. Jesus is the tree of life. We can choose whatever we believe! Jesus said whatsoever a man desires when he prays he shall receive.IMO
Thanks for reading, God bless you, TK
Tk,I didnt say that but whatever.
Before you knew God, all you did was sin, and all you did was the things taht God hated, because before knowing God we are hateful beings.
We are not born perfect, nor loving, nor good, nor godly.
We are born not knowing the diffrense between good and evil, and we do both interchangable until we come in age to choose.
even while choosing between a good deed or inquity its all in vain unless God is within their lives.
sin isnt illusions. you can believe that, but its not biblical truth.
Sins is a reality, just as it is also our illusions, our desires, the very core of us.The most sinful thing we can do, is making something else, an idol or money, or etc, the center of our lives, there is no illusions in such things.
again beloved brother,
keep on digging,
broaden your horizon,
there is more to it than you know.Gene,
What you speak of is translation and I am not equipped to handle that topic as I would have to be aware of what the Hebrew and Greek words are that are translated into the words in question. Because I am not in a position to be able to test the translators choices I am forced to rely on them hoping God will reveal any errors they may make and he is faithful.
The Old Testament of New International Version, which I use along with the New, was published in 1973 so any changes in the meaning of an English word must have happened since then if it is a concern. In Job 13:23 it translates the word translated “iniquities” in the King James Version as “wrongs” instead.
Here is an answer by a Messianic Israelite which I disagree with as it does not fit all scriptures using the word iniquity. It may be correct as I am assuming that the translators consistently translated the same word to iniquities and that iniquities has only one definition. Both assumptions could easily be wrong.
Your fellow student
Kerwin
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 09 2010,02:48) Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 08 2010,15:43) SF: Man has the nature of his creator, God. Man has God's spirit, and God's mind (Christos). Please never say we have a sin nature. By believing that, you are saying that you desire to do wrong and be in error and so does all mankind. That is sin/error! I agree that sin is a product of hate but we are products of love/good/perfection/God!
If you think a lier and deceiver is the god of this world you are in trouble and have bought into the religious lie!
Mind is you and mind is God! You decide how important it is. You can only experience anything through mental awareness.
God hates sin because sin is actually an illusion of the mind that causes separation from God which in truth cannot be!
Other peoples mistakes cannot cause us to fall unless we have faith in their mistake. If now from your example of raw meat you are in fear of that possiblility happening to you,
beware. Fearful thoughts contemplated and incubated in the powerful mind of man will manifest just as good thoughts will.
The tree of the knowledge of good/life/power/health and the tree of the knowledge of evil/death/sickness/disease/fear is
still alive and well. Jesus is the tree of life. We can choose whatever we believe! Jesus said whatsoever a man desires when he prays he shall receive.IMO
Thanks for reading, God bless you, TK
Tk,I didnt say that but whatever.
Before you knew God, all you did was sin, and all you did was the things taht God hated, because before knowing God we are hateful beings.
We are not born perfect, nor loving, nor good, nor godly.
We are born not knowing the diffrense between good and evil, and we do both interchangable until we come in age to choose.
even while choosing between a good deed or inquity its all in vain unless God is within their lives.
sin isnt illusions. you can believe that, but its not biblical truth.
Sins is a reality, just as it is also our illusions, our desires, the very core of us.The most sinful thing we can do, is making something else, an idol or money, or etc, the center of our lives, there is no illusions in such things.
again beloved brother,
keep on digging,
broaden your horizon,
there is more to it than you know.
SF: One who believes he is in sin, is in sin. If you believe you have sin or have sinned or are in sin you can have no part with God!
What you did before God was live not knowing God was with you. You lived in sin not knowing that you were not separated from God.The things you do have no relation to your relationship to God! Whether you believe God is with you or apart from you has everything to do with your relationship.
Jesus took a way the sin of the world. John 1:29—do you mean that he took away what you do? There can't be sin without a law. Where there is sin there must be judgment.
Jesus say judge not, lest ye be judged(by your same judgment).There is no knowledge of sin apart from the law! Rom3:20
Jesus said the law was up until John. Luke 16:16You are making up your own laws (that don't exist) and expressing them for you to follow. You are in charge of your Kingdom of God within. Whatever you declare for yourself as rules and laws or for others it becomes your own.
Jesus manifested to take away our sin.1John 3:5—did he take away your sin or just mine? Its your choice of belief!
Does that mean Jesus took away the bad works of the world?
If sin is tantamount to works then he took all evil works away?The works of today are to believe Jesus.
If you confess your sin, he is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.1John1:9–Sin is not of God! Therefore sin is not of the truth. Sin is darkness and there is no darkness in God.
If you say sin is not illusion then you are saying that sin is the truth. That is not the case. God is the truth and has no sin.
You say sin is reality but I believe God is reality, sin is a lie!It would seem that you have made sin the center of your life.
I hope that is not true. Whatever one focuses on the most is usually the center of their life.Whosoever is born of God sinneth not.1John5:18
Jesus appeared to put away sin..Heb.9:26
…we are free from sin…Rom.8:2
NOW YOU ARE CLEAN THROUGH THE WORD…John15:3lets dig together. Thanks for the time, God bless you, TK
TK,
Quote It would seem that you have made sin the center of your life.
I hope that is not true. Whatever one focuses on the most is usually the center of their life.
Becareful what you say padawan.lets go with romans 7
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.Sin and temptation is all around us. even in our flesh. our Flesh is imperfect, since our flesh is imperfect we are flawed.
Therefore mean while being in this body you are imperfect and flawed and naturally ready to sin at any moment. which is why there is a war in the body.
But God speaks of a perfect heart, a perfect spirit. Perfection in us. Love. Man cannot cease from sinning, but through the perfect mediator of love, Man found the redeemer.
it becomes a choice. God or not God.
Redeemer or Slavemaster.Through love we cease from sinning. unless you are fully Christ, you are still flawed, which leaves room for sin. anything that is not according to Gods will can be called a sin.
a disobediance. against God. we are naturally God hating creatures.
The law illumniates those evil instincts through laws that are against our nature.And to acheive that is through God and God alone.
since we love we will suffer as Christ did.
Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;purified.
faith without works is dead faith.
Faith and works without love,
is nothing.
The center of my life is God,
Thats the whole point.
if you are still imperfect, than you need to die more,
and more and more,
deny yourself.
take up your cross and follow him.
We will make mistakes, and we will fall, but God will never let us go. because though we are imperfect we are simply forgiven by whom is perfect, faithful, and true.a Lifestyle of Christ is our aim.
not just believing, not just confession,
a life style.Every day, every moment.
Now if you want to keep on atagonizing me go ahead. thats my view on it.
but to readdress the illusions point. Sin is not a illusion it is a commited action. Its not a lie, its disobediance.
you have confused your terms.
lieing is doing the opposite of Truth.
sin is doing the opposite of obediance.
confusion is the opposite of certian.if you want to tell people to simply believe and be cleansed than your basing their faith on themselves and not on God.
this is serious. this isnt a motivational camp where we repeat to ourselves day and night that we are good and that we are cleansed. this isnt called believing this is called reptition.
this isnt living this is called chanting.it is true what you believe is what you live,
believe in your self, and you will live own views,believe in God, and you will believe Gods views.
big difference.
this is what im speaking of.
The focus of what Christ taught was for you to deny yourself and follow him,
so believing in your self,MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dennison,
I was thinking the other day that Tim Kraft has a doctrine where popular psychology replaces the true message of gospel.
The is a popular psychology tenet and not one of the true gospel.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2010,16:40) Dennison, I was thinking the other day that Tim Kraft has a doctrine where popular psychology replaces the true message of gospel.
The is a popular psychology tenet and not one of the true gospel.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwin,Exactly.
Whatever we make the center of our lives, thats what we will represent.if we try to have a sinless life, i do believe its possible, but even Gods says that our “good work” are filthy rags to him.
So there is no point of trying to be good without God.
or in other words telling my self im sinless without having a relationship with God.
Beliveing that God can change me.
the scripture says that one must die first, and than they will se the kingdom.
also to deny ourselves.
This new christian psychology is like a snake in the garden of Truth. I heard it all before, all i do is study these aspects. Joel olsteen does just this
“write down in a piece of paper, or sticky notes, that your a good person, and put it every where you see.”
In the end we rely on ourselves. God is real, and God can be personal with us. Therefore seek God, Scream out Jesus name!! seek him, follow him, open the bible, ask questions, learn, cry, change.
Its a process.
The truth is that God loves us!!
This motivitionl method will only send us in Gods wrath not love.much love brothers,
Dennison,
To say I am sinless while still sinning is an abomination to me. This is even though I wish is were true that I did not sin with all my heart. I am convinced that such a false teaching is just a way of a servant of Satan to tell people who conscious is not clear that they are still perfect and only those who wish to hear such will such nonsense instead of actually changing and becomming like righteous as God is righteous will believe it.
I am overjoyed to hear that you believe that you and I as well as any human being can live sinless lives for that item of faith is one step on the path of righteousness.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2010,22:40) Dennison, I was thinking the other day that Tim Kraft has a doctrine where popular psychology replaces the true message of gospel.
The is a popular psychology tenet and not one of the true gospel.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Tim puts 'new age' philosophy thinking over Biblical teaching.
He doesn't even consider Genesis-Malachi to be of any use?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ July 08 2010,21:43) Jesus is the tree of life. Thanks for reading, God bless you, TK
Hi TK,[26=יהוה] = God=26 = Tree of Life=101! (Gen.3:24 / Rev.22:1-3)
101 is the 26th Prime number Theomatically equaling GOD!
Jesus was God's Son; get your FACTS straight; Tim!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,20:08) The focus of what Christ taught was for you to deny yourself and follow him,
so believing in your self,MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SF: Denying myself, to me, means recognizing that, in and of myself I am nothing. I am whatever God says I am. Yet I will boldly claim what God has given freely for all!!Works of kindness that are done by all people, believers and non believers are worthless rags as far as being a cleansing work for salvation. Crowns and rewards are a lie. There would have to be judgment and respect for one over another.
The judgment today is whatever you belive. If you believe the words of Christ have cleansed you then judgment has come and you are clean. If you believe in a final judgment of
the dead they will be judged by their unclean works. Notice its those dead in trespasses and sin that are judged not those who by faith are clean.
Denying self means one recognizes that God did the works through Jesus. It is handed to us on a silver platter. Faith in God is the only connection to God there is. God is spirit, thoughts, truth in thinking. The war I am in is a war for truth.
We don't fight against flesh and blood, but against error doctrines against the truth.
Deception, untruth, or lies have always attacked the truth. Jesus came to tell us the truth and show us the way to God.
The Kingdom within us! You are the King of your Kingdom, Priest of your temple, you rule your Kingdom of God. Either with Gods love fruit or judgment, lies, and deceptions of works for cleanliness.
How you live your life here on earth is your business. You can live this life any way you wish. My relationship with God has been paid for completely by Jesus and his work, if I continue to believe his gift made the connection.
Religion has created anti-christ beliefs of working for God through obedience. Like there is a list of do's and don'ts that
if you do them you go to hell if you don't do them you go to heaven. Through my intensive studies of the New Testament this is not true, for me. You can believe your relationship with God any way you choose.
Once the mind is cleansed of all beliefs of impurity, unworthyness, unrighteousness and sin through the cleansing power of the words of Jesus then pure God love will flow.
Pure love is love that can be shared with others without judgment and bondage of works. Pure love is the same love God has given us. Its not based on anything you do or don't do.
Untimate freedom could become ultimate restraint in that in this life you will reap whasoever you sow. Thats the law of love. Perfect balance. Put out hate, get all forms of hate,etc.!
If you sow anger, hatred, uncleanliness, sin, unrighteousness etc. these create the works of darkness in your life.The fruit of freedom and love from God is peace, love, joy, meekness, longsuffering, etc.! If one sows judgment he reaps judgment to himself. If one sows love then his life will produce the fruit of love. This is the new covenant law of love.
Even a child knows how important it is to believe in ones self!
That kill me, hurt me, I would die for you lord mentality has been around a long time but it falls short of faith in God.Faith pleases God!! Bless all, TK
Just like the pharisees of old, religion or works for God persecutes faith. Mankind always wants to do it themselves or at least have their hand in it.
The disciples came to Jesus and ask; what shall we do, to do the works of God? Jesus answered them with, this is the work of God—-
THAT YOU BELIEVE in him who was sent. The masses are stumbling over the stumbling stone, Jesus. Its to easy they say to just BELIEVE that the work is done. Watch how many come on this thread in unison against this truth calling it many things but not the truth.When one reads a scripture like John15:3 they have two choices. Believe they are clean, or deny Jesus! You can add to it or subtract from it but the truth stands alone.
Jesus promised that persecution would come against the truth of God. I welcome the challenge against the truth but I would rather keep personal jabs and personal attacks to a minimum. To my own master I either stand or fall with the doctrines given to me. God Bless, TK
Tim Kraft,
Jesus made personal attacks. They are called rebukes. False accusations are evil and true accusations are righteous if made with a loving spirit.
Jesus did teach to believe in him that was sent and we know that those who truly believe in him believe what he promised.
To claim that sin is just a figment of your immagination denies that Jesus need to die in order to rescue you from slavery to sin.
Since you have chosen to deny that how can you honesly claim to believe Jesus is the Anointed?
Instead you need to get a broken spirit and a contrite heart so you will truly seek God and his kingdom.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
*Tim Craft
Quote Denying myself, to me, means recognizing that, in and of myself I am nothing. I am whatever God says I am. Yet I will boldly claim what God has given freely for all!!
Your focus to much on your self. look at your statement. examine yourself. The bible says examine your self in the word so you can know if your still in the truth.
We need to die. Jesus says we must die and be reborn again. what do you think that means sir? yet i am crucfied with Christ. Christ died and was ressurected. Do you forget the gospel son?All im stating is biblical. where as your statement is not biblical. Think about what im saying.
your stuck son,
will you deny what im saying is not true?Quote Works of kindness that are done by all people, believers and non believers are worthless rags as far as being a cleansing work for salvation. Crowns and rewards are a lie. There would have to be judgment and respect for one over another.
Works of love are not worthless, because God is love, and if one does not love, they do not have God. therefore 1 john4:8 is held as truth. There fore we must love eachother. Faith without works is dead faith.Quote The judgment today is whatever you belive. If you believe the words of Christ have cleansed you then judgment has come and you are clean. If you believe in a final judgment of
NO NO NO NO!! THE JUDGE IS CHRIST!!! what we believe doesnt even matter, as long as we believe in him! make HIM the center of our lives!!!! having a relationship with him!!! because there will be those who believe but Jesus does not know them! mathhew 7!!
our salvation is based on Christ and Christ alone.!!!
THIS IS THE GOSPEL SON!Quote the dead they will be judged by their unclean works. Notice its those dead in trespasses and sin that are judged not those who by faith are clean.
my brother, the living in the dead is right now. think about it. God is above time. if you are without christ NOW, you are already dead, yet if have the bread of life, than you are living. eternity starts today, not when u die.Quote Denying self means one recognizes that God did the works through Jesus. It is handed to us on a silver platter. Faith in God is the only connection to God there is. God is spirit, thoughts, truth in thinking. The war I am in is a war for truth.
no denyone self is following Jesus. deing and becoming more like him. examining one self to change and die to the OLD man.Quote We don't fight against flesh and blood, but against error doctrines against the truth.
no son, no. against
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Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Quote Deception, untruth, or lies have always attacked the truth. Jesus came to tell us the truth and show us the way to God.
ITS MORE THAN THAT! ITS EVIL ,POWERS, SPIRITUAL WICKENESS!!!!
JESUS CAME TO SAVE US!!! HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH,
AND ABOVE ALL ELSE
LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote The Kingdom within us! You are the King of your Kingdom, Priest of your temple, you rule your Kingdom of God. Either with Gods love fruit or judgment, lies, and deceptions of works for cleanliness.
SON DO YOU KNOW WHAT UR SAYING!!!
DENY YOURSELF!!!
THIS IS FALSE!!!
U ARE NOT A KING OF ANYTHING!!!
WHERE IS THE BIBLICAL VERSE FOR THIS!!
WHO TAUGHT U THIS!!!! THIS IS ERRROR!! THIS IS FALSE!!!
IM SO SORRY TO RUIN UR WORLD AND UR BELEIFS BUT IM MORE THAN WILLING TO BE LATE TO WORK OUT OF LOVE TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS FALSE!!!
GOD IS SUPPPOSE TO BE THE CENTER OF YOUR LIFE,
YOU DONT RULE ANYTHIGN
ITS JESUS BEING THE KING OF KINGS TO RULE YOUR LIFE
MY BELOVED BROTHER WHO TAUGHT U THIS!!Quote How you live your life here on earth is your business. You can live this life any way you wish. My relationship with God has been paid for completely by Jesus and his work, if I continue to believe his gift made the connection.
No the way you live your life in earth is Gods buisness.
you live your life in a way to PLEASE God.
Your relatoinship with GOD is by JESUS WORKS DAILY IN YOU!!
A LIFESTYLE!Quote Religion has created anti-christ beliefs of working for God through obedience. Like there is a list of do's and don'ts that
OUT OF LOVE YOU WOULD BE OBEDIENT!!
my Gosh my friend my brother,
when you get married are you not faithful and obediant to your spouse!?? no matter what you wouldnt do the things she dislikes, not beacuse of rules, simply beacuse you love her, and you wouldnt do the thigns he dislikes!
this is LOVE, ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!Quote if you do them you go to hell if you don't do them you go to heaven. Through my intensive studies of the New Testament this is not true, for me. You can believe your relationship with God any way you choose
you need to learn hwo to study the OT.
BECAUSE THE NEW TESTAMENT, COMPELETES THE OLD!
you cant make a doctrine based on one way.Quote Once the mind is cleansed of all beliefs of impurity, unworthyness, unrighteousness and sin through the cleansing power of the words of Jesus then pure God love will flow
NO YOU COME AS YOU ARE!! COME AS A SINNER! JESUS SAYS COME AND DRINK FREELY!!! COME, COME!! HERE IS THE WATER OF LIFE!!
we must DIE.
not only the power of words, through the daily relationship with HIm.Quote Pure love is love that can be shared with others without judgment and bondage of works. Pure love is the same love God has given us. Its not based on anything you do or don't do.
BIBLE SAYS
John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1 CORINTHIANS 13Quote Even a child knows how important it is to believe in ones self!
That kill me, hurt me, I would die for you lord mentality has been around a long time but it falls short of faith in God.
FAITH without works is dead faith.
everything is balanced. but you focus to much on what is mental, and you forget about the physical.
i told you, that you have limited yourself.
what you reap or sow doesnt save you.
IT all goes back to Jesus.
You need to go back to the bible,
Does the bible go hand and hand to what your stating?
WE do not rule anything. It is God and God alone ruling all.
So that he maybe all in all!LOVE pleases God,
FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE,
BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE! ~1Corinthians 13:13Quote (kerwin @ July 14 2010,16:02) Tim Kraft, Jesus made personal attacks. They are called rebukes. False accusations are evil and true accusations are righteous if made with a loving spirit.
Jesus did teach to believe in him that was sent and we know that those who truly believe in him believe what he promised.
To claim that sin is just a figment of your immagination denies that Jesus need to die in order to rescue you from slavery to sin.
Since you have chosen to deny that how can you honesly claim to believe Jesus is the Anointed?
Instead you need to get a broken spirit and a contrite heart so you will truly seek God and his kingdom.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Thank you,
you said everythign that i dont have time to say,please continue!
i must go to work im very late!Kerwin: May I try once again? I never said that sin is just a figment of my imagination or if you think I did, that is not what I meant!
There was no sin mentioned in the Garden of Eden. The first time the word sin is used in the KJV Bible is Gen. Chap.4 vs.7….”If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin is at the door”. Was God talking about the offerings that they brought? They weren't commanded to bring the offerings. They
brought love offerings unto God of the fruit of their labors. God doesn't want what our labors produce. God wants your dedicated heart. Was God referring to one offering being better than the other offering and that caused sin at the door? Sin is not a work!!
I think God was saying, if you believe one is good and one is not good or evil, sin/error/ mistake is at the door (of your heart).
In other words if you believe there is a sin then to you there is a sin!
In this instance there was not something done against God that was sinful and/or punishable.What do you think, ….sin is at the door….means?
The word sin was not used again until the 18th chap. of Gen. The word sin is an error or the punisnment for an error. In this case an error was not made. An offering was rejected which caused sin to be at the door. Sin is not something you do. Mankind has made it to be that way. Sin is believing one has made a mistake that has separated him God.
What do you say Kerwin? Your fellow student, TK
Tim Kraft.
The definition of the word sin is a transgression of the law. In this case the law being transgressed is to love as God intends you to love. If you are not sinning then you love as God loves. Love is an emotion that effects the mind in that the love of God flowing through you causes you to feel a unselfish benevolent and loyal concern for God, others, and yourself in that order.
In Paradise Adam and Eve did sin. Eve sinned by knowingly disobeying God and Adam sinned by unknowingly disobeying God. They both sinned as they ate fruit from the tree God forbid them to eat from.
Sin is at the door is a way of stating that a human being is subject to temptation which is equivalent to a visitor knocking at your door asking to enter. That is why we are instructed to master it. It is only by the power of God that we can master sin and we can only get that power if we believe Jesus in the Anointed of God and thus believe his promise that we will stop sinning in this world.
If we deny we are sinning while still sinning then Jesus cannot cure us of our wound and it will kill us. The same is true if we deny that we are tempted by evil as even Jesus was tempted by evil.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
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