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Hi All,
Lets dicuss these differences if there is any according to scripture,
Mistakes and Sins.
Is making an imperfect choice based on an individuals own will, a Sin?
God cant make mistakes.. so if we commit a mistake its because me made an imperfect choice.
Is that a sin, a trespass before God?
what say you?
To all.
I will say no since God put limits on us and what we call mistakes stem from those limits.
On the other hand people have been know to call a mistake a sin and a sin a mistake and doing so is displeasing to God.
I admit that sometime I have difficulty telling the difference because a sin can often masquerade as a mistake and the difference is a matter of heart. In these cases I pray to God to give me the wisdom to tell the difference and if it is a sin to purify my heart of the unrighteousness that leads to it. God can and will do it if you truly seek him.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Good question.
I would like to add this.
If I try not to sin and I have faith in God, but sin from time to time, am I a sinner?
Some people like Ray Comfort would say yes.Here is another couple of questions.
If I go fishing once every few years, am I a fisherman?
If I run sometimes, am I a runner?
Isnt it the same with the Tree of Good and Evil?
Whats the diffrense between what we think is Good between what God thinks is good.Very necessary thread? Great questions. I have been learning by myself for over 20 years so please, I ask that you not blast me for a completely different perception of sin. IMO, pertaining to our relationship with God, sin is the belief in a mans mind that he has done something against God. There was no sin in the garden of eden. God had told man what the consequence was to a choice he could freely make. When God pronounced the consequences of the choice made to believe in good/God and evil/sin it was not a punishment. The word sin is not in the Garden of Eden story. There was only good as far as I can see. God is good. If God is everywhere then good was everywhere. Evil did not exist because there is no evil in God and God was all there was. Man accepted the untrue knowledge of evil! There is no evil in the truth. There is no evil in Christ. The avenue of the knowledge of good and evil was a choice of belief for man. When man accepted good and evil he began to experience the consequence of his choice. Fear was the first anti-God feeling produced for man. They were afraid and hid. From that point on they went downhill if you will. God never left man. God can't leave man because God is everywhere. Man left God in his mind! Man had believed a lie, in his mind, that God was angry with him. Man believed incorrectly that he was now separated from union/love with God. Man began to try to give offerings and sacrifices to make amends to God. All for nothing. None were required by the God of Jesus revealed as love. I believe sin to be an error of belief, in mans mind that anything he did or does could separate him from God. Sin is actually an illusion in mans mind. The illusion is that God is apart from man. This cannot be! There is no place where God is not. So if a man today has a sin consciousness or believes he sin's or is in sin then he is a sinner by wrong thinking, even if he hasn't done anything. The connection of man to God is by faith. The lack of connection to God is unbelief. If one doesn't believe he is made pure by the words of Jesus then he is dirty by wrong thinking. If one doesn't believe that Jesus took away his sin, then he is still in sin. When will we believe? Wrong thinking always comes before wrong doing. Thoughts are always before actions. The thoughts are the sin/error. If you believe you are in sin then to you so be it. Paul said to one who thinketh it is a sin it is a sin! As a man thinketh in his heart, so he is. The truth came, Jesus, to correct the sin/error of believing we are in sin. The truth/Jesus was the light that pierced the darkness of mans mind. The ritualistic physical church filled with laws and thereby sin was finished. He delivered the truth that God is within you. There cannot be sin in you and God in you!! Sin is separation by illusion of truth. Sin is not truth. Can we rise up an believe this truth. Who will stand up and recognize their perfection from the truth, by faith and not based on their good works? Much love to all, TK
Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2010,19:31) To all. I will say no since God put limits on us and what we call mistakes stem from those limits.
On the other hand people have been know to call a mistake a sin and a sin a mistake and doing so is displeasing to God.
I admit that sometime I have difficulty telling the difference because a sin can often masquerade as a mistake and the difference is a matter of heart. In these cases I pray to God to give me the wisdom to tell the difference and if it is a sin to purify my heart of the unrighteousness that leads to it. God can and will do it if you truly seek him.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwin……….You have brought up a good question. This might help show the different (types) of sin, there is a sin that is willfull and knowingly done, that is simply called (SIN) in scripture, but the is also a sin commited unknowingly, that is called (INIQUITY) , remember where it say thu sins (and) thy iniquites God would forgive. Here is an example of iniquity. Jesus said in that day many would come to him and say Lord In your name we have done all the good works, and Jesus would respond to then “DEPART FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY, I KNOW YOU NOT. Notice he did not say they did not do good works did he, he simply said their work were an iniquity. That is what and iniquity is, it is a sin being do unknowingly . You see they were doing their work in Jesus name , they should have been doing their good work in God the Fathers name, they in their minds had advanced Jesus to the Place of GOD, that is Idolatry and that is a sin. But to them it was a good work. That is the difference between Sins one is an INIQUITY a sin of not realizing it, the other is a Sin of realization , But both produce the same results they are both sins and need to be repented of. GOD is Gracious and does Forgive us of our sins and iniquities (unrealized sins). hope this helped>peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Gene,
I disagree with your definition of Iniquity.
the definition of Iniquity is either doing things in secret, or disclosed.
Hidden Sin, not ignorant sin.
Yuor talking about ignorance. Wrong word. and the bible passage you used in Matthew 17 the context doestn reach your conclusion.
There is a narrow way, a narrow gate!these men did not make it.
and if God never knew someone, what do you think that means?
Gene i think you need to look up what iniquity means.
in·iq·ui·ty /ɪˈnɪkwɪti/ Show Spelled[ih-nik-wi-tee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. gross injustice or wickedness.
2. a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.Jesus said they PRACITICED iniqiuity.
that means they are at fault. they knew what they were doing.With much love, i would have to ask you to reconsider your cliam.
'sF………..I know what the word means it means Lawlessness in a dictionary, however scripture shows a difference in the wording . Those people who go to Jesus and say Lord Lord in you name we have done all these good works were not breaking the law by there good works , they were Misunderstanding the reason for those works, Jesus did not say your works were iniquity , He said (they) were workers of Iniquity. This indicates the person themselves and the reason for their works, that was the inequity. If they had known what they were doing why would they come to Jesus and say Lord Lord in thy name we have done all these good works.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and in your name have cast out devils? and in your mane done many wonderful (works)?, 23…> And then will i profess unto them, I never Knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Now if you can think about why Jesus said what He said . was it because they did not do wonderful works, No it was because they thought they were pleasing GOD by doing them in Jesus' ' Name and that was their iniquity. They were worshiping Jesus as a GOD and accrediting Him for the reason of doing their works rather then GOD and that was their iniquity. Many peiople think thye are serving Jesus and GOD when in fact they are decieved into thinking they are when they are not really. This is what a iniquity is. It is a unaware Sin committed by people who think they are doing right when in fact they are not. That is why scripture separated sins and Iniquity's into these two categories.
peace and love……………………gene
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 27 2010,20:50) Very necessary thread? Great questions. I have been learning by myself for over 20 years so please, I ask that you not blast me for a completely different perception of sin. IMO, pertaining to our relationship with God, sin is the belief in a mans mind that he has done something against God. There was no sin in the garden of eden. God had told man what the consequence was to a choice he could freely make. When God pronounced the consequences of the choice made to believe in good/God and evil/sin it was not a punishment. The word sin is not in the Garden of Eden story. There was only good as far as I can see. God is good. If God is everywhere then good was everywhere. Evil did not exist because there is no evil in God and God was all there was. Man accepted the untrue knowledge of evil! There is no evil in the truth. There is no evil in Christ. The avenue of the knowledge of good and evil was a choice of belief for man. When man accepted good and evil he began to experience the consequence of his choice. Fear was the first anti-God feeling produced for man. They were afraid and hid. From that point on they went downhill if you will. God never left man. God can't leave man because God is everywhere. Man left God in his mind! Man had believed a lie, in his mind, that God was angry with him. Man believed incorrectly that he was now separated from union/love with God. Man began to try to give offerings and sacrifices to make amends to God. All for nothing. None were required by the God of Jesus revealed as love. I believe sin to be an error of belief, in mans mind that anything he did or does could separate him from God. Sin is actually an illusion in mans mind. The illusion is that God is apart from man. This cannot be! There is no place where God is not. So if a man today has a sin consciousness or believes he sin's or is in sin then he is a sinner by wrong thinking, even if he hasn't done anything. The connection of man to God is by faith. The lack of connection to God is unbelief. If one doesn't believe he is made pure by the words of Jesus then he is dirty by wrong thinking. If one doesn't believe that Jesus took away his sin, then he is still in sin. When will we believe? Wrong thinking always comes before wrong doing. Thoughts are always before actions. The thoughts are the sin/error. If you believe you are in sin then to you so be it. Paul said to one who thinketh it is a sin it is a sin! As a man thinketh in his heart, so he is. The truth came, Jesus, to correct the sin/error of believing we are in sin. The truth/Jesus was the light that pierced the darkness of mans mind. The ritualistic physical church filled with laws and thereby sin was finished. He delivered the truth that God is within you. There cannot be sin in you and God in you!! Sin is separation by illusion of truth. Sin is not truth. Can we rise up an believe this truth. Who will stand up and recognize their perfection from the truth, by faith and not based on their good works? Much love to all, TK
Hi TK,How do these verses fit into ‘your philosophy’?
1John 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
2Tm.2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2010,03:03) 'sF………..I know what the word means it means Lawlessness in a dictionary, however scripture shows a difference in the wording . Those people who go to Jesus and say Lord Lord in you name we have done all these good works were not breaking the law by there good works , they were Misunderstanding the reason for those works, Jesus did not say your works were iniquity , He said (they) were workers of Iniquity. This indicates the person themselves and the reason for their works, that was the inequity. If they had known what they were doing why would they come to Jesus and say Lord Lord in thy name we have done all these good works. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and in your name have cast out devils? and in your mane done many wonderful (works)?, 23…> And then will i profess unto them, I never Knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Now if you can think about why Jesus said what He said . was it because they did not do wonderful works, No it was because they thought they were pleasing GOD by doing them in Jesus' ' Name and that was their iniquity. They were worshiping Jesus as a GOD and accrediting Him for the reason of doing their works rather then GOD and that was their iniquity. Many peiople think thye are serving Jesus and GOD when in fact they are decieved into thinking they are when they are not really. This is what a iniquity is. It is a unaware Sin committed by people who think they are doing right when in fact they are not. That is why scripture separated sins and Iniquity's into these two categories.
peace and love……………………gene
Gene,
Its very simple,
Its not that they didnt know!
its because they had it hidden!!!big differense.
They thought their good works were ENOUGH to cover everything else.note: they try to save themselves through good works,
when in reality there were two conditions why they failed.
1) they didnt know God, God said he didnt know them, as in they didnt have a relationship with God.
2) the greek speaks of lawlessness, they practice lawlessness.Quote Now if you can think about why Jesus said what He said . was it because they did not do wonderful works, No it was because they thought they were pleasing GOD by doing them in Jesus' ' Name and that was their iniquity. Gene,
it seems you responded genuinly and playing nice. so ill hold back.Im sorry when i say thats not biblical. No where in the bible does it say that doing works in Jesus name is an inquity.
The bible says very clear that we can do anything through Jesus name.
Where are you getting this from bro,
with the out most love, did someone teach this to you, or was this on your own?
could you admit that you might have 1 percent chance you might be wrong?because biblical, that idea cannot be supported by anything.
So lets restate your position, im not ridiculing you.
are you saying that doing works in Jesus name is inquity?note: that Lord, is double emphasis, since it was repeated.
SF………Yes it certainly can be a iniquity as Jesus plainly said that (MANY) would come and say Lord, Lord, in (Your) name we did the works and He would respond to them depart from me you (WORKERS) of Iniquity. Jesus did not deny they had done those works did He? It was works of (Iniquity) because they thought they were pleasing Jesus by attributing (their) works to Him , They were not being guided by a Spirit of Love , they were being guided by a spirit of self preservation and thought if they did these self works in Jesus' name that equaled salvation for them. But God work is something He Does (IN) us and we simply respond to it by the fruits of Love and Peace. You can't earn you way in to the kingdom of GOD it must be recieved by GRACE, Not of Works least any boast.
But back to the main question what does it mean when God said He would forgive us of our Sins (and)our Iniquities. They obviously are not one and the same thing or why would they be mentioned separately. So the conclusion is that they must be different (types) of transgressions. I still maintain they are different in this sense one is a known sin while a Iniquity is a unknown sin. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 28 2010,00:34) Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2010,19:31) To all. I will say no since God put limits on us and what we call mistakes stem from those limits.
On the other hand people have been know to call a mistake a sin and a sin a mistake and doing so is displeasing to God.
I admit that sometime I have difficulty telling the difference because a sin can often masquerade as a mistake and the difference is a matter of heart. In these cases I pray to God to give me the wisdom to tell the difference and if it is a sin to purify my heart of the unrighteousness that leads to it. God can and will do it if you truly seek him.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwin……….You have brought up a good question. This might help show the different (types) of sin, there is a sin that is willfull and knowingly done, that is simply called (SIN) in scripture, but the is also a sin commited unknowingly, that is called (INIQUITY) , remember where it say thu sins (and) thy iniquites God would forgive. Here is an example of iniquity. Jesus said in that day many would come to him and say Lord In your name we have done all the good works, and Jesus would respond to then “DEPART FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY, I KNOW YOU NOT. Notice he did not say they did not do good works did he, he simply said their work were an iniquity. That is what and iniquity is, it is a sin being do unknowingly . You see they were doing their work in Jesus name , they should have been doing their good work in God the Fathers name, they in their minds had advanced Jesus to the Place of GOD, that is Idolatry and that is a sin. But to them it was a good work. That is the difference between Sins one is an INIQUITY a sin of not realizing it, the other is a Sin of realization , But both produce the same results they are both sins and need to be repented of. GOD is Gracious and does Forgive us of our sins and iniquities (unrealized sins). hope this helped>peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Gene my brother: If a person believes the words of Jesus that God has made him clean, apart from any works of any kind, good or bad, he is cleansed and sinfree.If a person believes that anything he does or doesn't do, as in works, good or bad, or otherwise does not make him clean, it is only through Jesus' words of God that he is clean, then he is clean.
Its Gods work of salvation of men with sinful/wrong thinking minds!!
You are cleansed by faith in what God says. You are unclean only by believing you are not yet clean!!
If you deny what
Jesus says, that God has made you whole/clean and believe it is up to you and how you act or what you do to be clean then you are attempting to be saved/cleansed/made whole by your own works.If you believe God has saved you from sin through Christ then you are saved. If you don't believe you are saved because of something you have done, you are un-saved, dirty, un-whole, sick, un-united with God. You are either clean by faith, or un-clean through unbelief!
Not having anything to do with your actions. Salvation is by believing what God has done. Not what we can do to earn!
Our works are as dirty rags to God. You cannot earn cleanliness you must accept it from God.
DEPART FROM ME YE [WORKERS OF INIQUITY], (those who are doing good works for cleanliness) You can't earn God's gift.
This that I read is a total sin consciousness. If you don't even know when you sin then you are always in sin. God doesn't dwell in a temple with sin.
God's house/temple/church/abode is made spotless and perfect BY FAITH in what God has done or it is unclean.
Only perfection can house God. If you are imperfect you can't be the temple of God. Yet God has cleansed you, so if you believe this truth you are clean and ready for God.
Sin is not believing God has cleansed you. Sin is believing you still have sin. Sin is believing that Jesus didn't wash away our sin.
Sin is rejection of your righteousness by faith.
Sin is believing anything you can do or not do or say or not say can have anything to do with you perfection from God through Jesus.
There are not sin(s) plural. There is only one sin. UNBELIEF that Jesus has taken away your sin.
Our works would cause our boast about our salvation. Only Gods works make clean and they are received by FAITH!
Repentance is to turn from the way you are going to a new way in God. The religious people back then were just like the
religious people of today, they were locked into sin consciousness. This is called the day of rest. Rest in the work that Jesus did. He paid the price so you could rest in the
perfection he worked for. When mankind removes the last reminant of sin from his mind the earth will be back to perfect.
God bless all with the truth. TK
Tim Kraft,
It sounds like you are claiming that if one believes they are without sin then they do not sin but to do that is would be a lie unless you really did not sin. If you lie then you are serving the evil one and not God. Rather if you sin you must confess your sins having confidence that God has the power to cleanse you from the desire to walk according to the lusts of this world and so overcome all your sins so you no longer sin.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2010,17:58) SF………Yes it certainly can be a iniquity as Jesus plainly said that (MANY) would come and say Lord, Lord, in (Your) name we did the works and He would respond to them depart from me you (WORKERS) of Iniquity. Jesus did not deny they had done those works did He? It was works of (Iniquity) because they thought they were pleasing Jesus by attributing (their) works to Him , They were not being guided by a Spirit of Love , they were being guided by a spirit of self preservation and thought if they did these self works in Jesus' name that equaled salvation for them. But God work is something He Does (IN) us and we simply respond to it by the fruits of Love and Peace. You can't earn you way in to the kingdom of GOD it must be recieved by GRACE, Not of Works least any boast. But back to the main question what does it mean when God said He would forgive us of our Sins (and)our Iniquities. They obviously are not one and the same thing or why would they be mentioned separately. So the conclusion is that they must be different (types) of transgressions. I still maintain they are different in this sense one is a known sin while a Iniquity is a unknown sin. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Gene,
im confused.Im trying to clearly understand you,
1) are you saying its wrong to do things in Jesus name?
2) everyone knows God, but God doesnt know everyone. when it comes to relationship, as the context shows in Mat17 that there is a NARROW way. only for a few.
3) are we agreeing? are you also stating that one can not use good works to be saved?
4) if they let the holy spirit work in them, they would have known. but sinced they rejected, it didnt happen.just clarify for me.
fyi the main question whether sin and a mistake is the same or different
Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2010,22:43) Tim Kraft, It sounds like you are claiming that if one believes they are without sin then they do not sin but to do that is would be a lie unless you really did not sin. If you lie then you are serving the evil one and not God. Rather if you sin you must confess your sins having confidence that God has the power to cleanse you from the desire to walk according to the lusts of this world and so overcome all your sins so you no longer sin.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
You live what you believeQuote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2010,17:58) SF………Yes it certainly can be a iniquity as Jesus plainly said that (MANY) would come and say Lord, Lord, in (Your) name we did the works and He would respond to them depart from me you (WORKERS) of Iniquity. Jesus did not deny they had done those works did He? It was works of (Iniquity) because they thought they were pleasing Jesus by attributing (their) works to Him , They were not being guided by a Spirit of Love , they were being guided by a spirit of self preservation and thought if they did these self works in Jesus' name that equaled salvation for them. But God work is something He Does (IN) us and we simply respond to it by the fruits of Love and Peace. You can't earn you way in to the kingdom of GOD it must be recieved by GRACE, Not of Works least any boast. But back to the main question what does it mean when God said He would forgive us of our Sins (and)our Iniquities. They obviously are not one and the same thing or why would they be mentioned separately. So the conclusion is that they must be different (types) of transgressions. I still maintain they are different in this sense one is a known sin while a Iniquity is a unknown sin. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Gene,
im confused.Im trying to clearly understand you,
1) are you saying its wrong to do things in Jesus name?
2) everyone knows God, but God doesnt know everyone. when it comes to relationship, as the context shows in Mat17 that there is a NARROW way. only for a few.
3) are we agreeing? are you also stating that one can not use good works to be saved?
4) if they let the holy spirit work in them, they would have known. but sinced they rejected, it didnt happen.just clarify for me.
fyi the main question whether sin and a mistake is the same or different
SF……….Even evil men do good works at times , and No, good works will not save you unless those works are a result of GOD'S Spirit (IN) you. Fear can produce all kinds of good works , but it is what is causing those works that count, You seem be like the Pharisees and looking on the outside of the cup, like a white washed Sepulcher, look good on the outside but inside is full of dead mens bones. Listen to what Jesus says and this should become clear to you brother.peace and love…………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,00:24) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2010,17:58) SF………Yes it certainly can be a iniquity as Jesus plainly said that (MANY) would come and say Lord, Lord, in (Your) name we did the works and He would respond to them depart from me you (WORKERS) of Iniquity. Jesus did not deny they had done those works did He? It was works of (Iniquity) because they thought they were pleasing Jesus by attributing (their) works to Him , They were not being guided by a Spirit of Love , they were being guided by a spirit of self preservation and thought if they did these self works in Jesus' name that equaled salvation for them. But God work is something He Does (IN) us and we simply respond to it by the fruits of Love and Peace. You can't earn you way in to the kingdom of GOD it must be recieved by GRACE, Not of Works least any boast. But back to the main question what does it mean when God said He would forgive us of our Sins (and)our Iniquities. They obviously are not one and the same thing or why would they be mentioned separately. So the conclusion is that they must be different (types) of transgressions. I still maintain they are different in this sense one is a known sin while a Iniquity is a unknown sin. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Gene,
im confused.Im trying to clearly understand you,
1) are you saying its wrong to do things in Jesus name?
2) everyone knows God, but God doesnt know everyone. when it comes to relationship, as the context shows in Mat17 that there is a NARROW way. only for a few.
3) are we agreeing? are you also stating that one can not use good works to be saved?
4) if they let the holy spirit work in them, they would have known. but sinced they rejected, it didnt happen.just clarify for me.
fyi the main question whether sin and a mistake is the same or different
SF……….Even evil men do good works at times , and No, good works will not save you unless those works are a result of GOD'S Spirit (IN) you. Fear can produce all kinds of good works , but it is what is causing those works that count, You seem be like the Pharisees and looking on the outside of the cup, like a white washed Sepulcher, look good on the outside but inside is full of dead mens bones. Listen to what Jesus says and this should become clear to you brother.peace and love…………………..gene
Gene
Scripture is clear for me
your grammer is not.Im not understanding what your saying.
are you saying that its wrong to do things in Jesus name?If not,
than are you stating that these men THOUGHT that doing things in Jesus name is enough.
Gene it get frustrating when you dont answer for my whole thread and you only pick and pull.
Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2010,04:43) Tim Kraft, It sounds like you are claiming that if one believes they are without sin then they do not sin but to do that is would be a lie unless you really did not sin. If you lie then you are serving the evil one and not God. Rather if you sin you must confess your sins having confidence that God has the power to cleanse you from the desire to walk according to the lusts of this world and so overcome all your sins so you no longer sin.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwin: What do you mean when you say and they “do not sin”—-or unless you really “did not sin”—- Are you saying that sin is something you do or don't do? That is untrue. The forgiveness for sin is not forgiveness for something you did or didn't do. Forgiveness for sin is believing that God took away your sin.(not works) If you believe you have sin you are in sin. (John15:3) If Jesus tells you that God has cleansed you from sin you either beleive that is true and you are cleansed or you deny his words and don't believe God has cleansed you. Then you remain in your own believed sin. I believe God has taken away my sin through the words of Jesus the Christ. I believe God has cleansed me by faith. I do not believe in my own good or bad works. What God hath called clean let no man call unclean. To deny what God has said is a lie against the truth. God bless you Kerwin, your fellow student, TKSIN IS A MISTAKEN BELIEF. SIN IS BELIEVING THAT ANYTING YOU DO OR DON'T DO CAN SEPARATE YOU FROM GOD. WE UNITE TO GOD BY FAITH—WE CAN ONLY LEAVE GOD BY UNBELIEF. EVEN UNBELIEF IS JUST AN ILLUSION OF SEPARATION. GOD IS EVERYWHERE HOW COULD YOU BE SEPARATED. SIN IS A MENTAL ERROR. SIN IS A LIE THAT YOU ARE SEPARATED FROM GOD. IMO, TK
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2010,17:58) SF………Yes it certainly can be a iniquity as Jesus plainly said that (MANY) would come and say Lord, Lord, in (Your) name we did the works and He would respond to them depart from me you (WORKERS) of Iniquity. Jesus did not deny they had done those works did He? It was works of (Iniquity) because they thought they were pleasing Jesus by attributing (their) works to Him , They were not being guided by a Spirit of Love , they were being guided by a spirit of self preservation and thought if they did these self works in Jesus' name that equaled salvation for them. But God work is something He Does (IN) us and we simply respond to it by the fruits of Love and Peace. You can't earn you way in to the kingdom of GOD it must be recieved by GRACE, Not of Works least any boast. But back to the main question what does it mean when God said He would forgive us of our Sins (and)our Iniquities. They obviously are not one and the same thing or why would they be mentioned separately. So the conclusion is that they must be different (types) of transgressions. I still maintain they are different in this sense one is a known sin while a Iniquity is a unknown sin. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Gene,
im confused.Im trying to clearly understand you,
1) are you saying its wrong to do things in Jesus name?
2) everyone knows God, but God doesnt know everyone. when it comes to relationship, as the context shows in Mat17 that there is a NARROW way. only for a few.
3) are we agreeing? are you also stating that one can not use good works to be saved?
4) if they let the holy spirit work in them, they would have known. but sinced they rejected, it didnt happen.just clarify for me.
fyi the main question whether sin and a mistake is the same or different
SF………Where did a say it was wrong to do something in Jesus name. There is nothing wrong with my grammar i don't think, but to clarify what is said . I said It (can) be wrong too . Obviously it was wrong for those who said in your Name we did all these good works . right . I won't say any more it might confuse you. By the way sin is sin rather it is a mistake or not One is termed plain sin the other is Iniquity. Hope this is not to difficult for you.peace and love…………………gene
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