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Miia
Let me ask you: if a Muslim told you that Allah cured him of an illness or disability, who would you attribute that miracle to?Just for a moment let us divert from Christianity and think about the answer to this question. Could we do that?
Hi david,
You love to divert into the intellectual, the theoretical and the theological.
You feel safe there or is it easier to CONTROL the discussion?
Miia
Let me ask you: if a Muslim told you that Allah cured him of an illness or disability, who would you attribute that miracle to?Just for a moment let us divert from Christianity and think about the answer to this question. Could we do that?
David,
If a Muslim told me that God had healed him, I would attribute that healing to God rather than risk blaspheming the spirit.
For he said to Moses “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”If you think it is relevant, I would have to ask why.
Because, Jehovah’s Witness teachings are sometimes hard to get out of the system. People might read Jehovah’s Witness posts not realizing what they are and take it on as their own belief, not realizing how damaging and hard to shake the doctrines can be.
You can get people out of Babylon, but you can’t always get Babylon out of people!
Hi miia,
Yes.
Why do men imagine they have godly powers?
Why do they imagine that God has chosen not to do miracles now?
They use implication I SUPPOSE
Hi Miia,
God does not force Himself on humanity.
If folks have no faith they could imagine He does not exist.
But events soon will have them pleading for His help.
[Is 24]
David –
I’m just reading everyone comments, and unfortunately I do not think they are willing to actually read the post. There really not getting it. They aren’t even making any real rebuttals on the actual post itself. I don’t care where the information came from…if it makes sense..it makes sense..if it’s backed up with scripture than what does it matter. Why don’t they come with some scriptural support; instead of spewing out attacks and personal opinions. How come every time you post using scriptures, and reasoning….they just come back with attacks on the J.W’s.. instead of scriptural evidence. I notice that every time someone has some knowledge of the scriptures and Miia feels like she’s backed into a corner and can’t keep up…she diverts and starts attacking J.W’s even if the person isn’t a J.W. Fine…if your a JW…and JW’s are wrong…then come with some knowledge…scriptural knowledge…not personal attacks, and opinions. All that matters is scriptures and truth…not religion whether you a J.W or a Catholic, Baptist…whatever… stop stalking the J.W’s and offer some knowledge! Its’ weird.
UNB5, ‘let your yes be yes and your no be no’. I ask again: are you, or have you been a Jehovah’s Witness? If you are or have been, why are you avoiding the question? It’s you who were defending the watchtower doctrines not just in this thread – so that’s why I’m curious!
I guess I don’t really know that much about JW’s and their stance on miracles.Do they claim God doesn’t heal today or answer prayers? Don’t they claim some unseen miracle happened in 1914? Like Jesus didn’t come when the pope of Brooklyn said but Jesus moved to a higher realm or something like that?I do know they love 1914.
But I had a friend who was JW and he seemed to me like he believed God was active and answered prayers and he didn’t even try to convert me.I never questioned him much about what they claim to believe. But I did know they don’t think Jesus is God or trinity.
When I do go to church i still attend those who claim trinity because I won’t go to Kingdom Hall,which is really the only non trin church in my area.
So if someone claims a healing or miracle from God would the JW’s say it was from the devil or what?
Hi Andrew,
I have a friend who is not one and has not studied with them but may have picked up some doctrines off their magazines or Internet, namely the two I mentioned, and no matter how many scriptures I showed, I could not get through. That is the root of my frustration. I care.Do they claim God doesn’t heal today or answer prayers? Don’t they claim some unseen miracle happened in 1914?
They claim that God does not work miracles today such as healing gifts visions etc. If you tell them God miraculously healed you or you had a vision they will attribute all such things to Satan. That is what they told me.
1914 was their founders unfulfilled prophecy on the return of Christ. They then said he did not return visibly or something like that if I remember correctly.
Miia
Let me ask you: if a Muslim told you that Allah cured him of an illness or disability, who would you attribute that miracle to?
Just for a moment let us divert from Christianity and think about the answer to this question. Could we do that?
David,If a Muslim told me that God had healed him, I would attribute that healing to God rather than risk blaspheming the spirit.
And if a jw told you that God spoke to them or did some miraculous thing through them, would your credulity still be in play for them? Or would you risk blaspheming God by possibly rejecting him?
I just want to know what you use to determine who may have gods backing. You are unsure with the Muslim who says Allah cured him. Is there anyone that is deceiving them self? Or is it best to believe everyone lest we inadvertently reject God?
If you think it is relevant, I would have to ask why.
Because, Jehovah’s Witness teachings are sometimes hard to get out of the system. People might read Jehovah’s Witness posts not realizing what they are and take it on as their own belief, not realizing how damaging and hard to shake the doctrines can be.You can get people out of Babylon, but you can’t always get Babylon out of people!
Miia
I don’t understand your reasoning. If someone says something that is false or falsifiable, then point out the error. Regardless of who it is. I could be a robot or hitler or mother Teresa. The things I say should still be pointed out as error if they are error.
Unless you are saying you would use a very different psychology or Tactic, that I would understandWhat is so bothersome and troubling to me, is, for pages and pages, rather than discussing any evidence for any miracle or how we would know and trust the evidence or discussing what the scriptures say, you have been doing whatever it is you are doing. This seems to be something politicians do. Rather than attack what is said, they go after the person them self. If anything I posted in the first couple posts is wrong or hard to understand, you should address the actual argumentation. Or if miracles are happening all over the place and they can be proven, you should say something.
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