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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:18) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:13) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:07) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,12:20) I said that the Holy Spirit if God's person, “He” but not a “Third Person”.
MartyIf the “He” is Gods person then the “He” is the Father. Right?
If not who is “He”?
So once again…
“Is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus?“
“Is Jesus the Son of the Holy Spirit?“
A simple Yes or No should be your answer.
WJ
Hi WJ:The answer is yes, the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWow how hard was that? Now can you show me where the Holy Spirit is ever referred to as the Father of Jesus?
Can you show me a scripture that says Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit?
WJ
Hi WJ:You are being ridiculous. This is what the scripture states:
Quote Luke 1:30-36 (King James Version) 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.And so, you can read the scriptures. I said yes to your question because the Holy Ghost is God's person.
Now, then you show me a scripture which states that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-Une God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 28 2011,05:30) Marty said: Quote I asked you a simple question, and so, I will ask it again: What is the meaning of the word “baptize”?
Marty,I answered you sir! You're acting like Mike now.
Here it is again:
Quote True baptism is that which “thoroughly changes the character, state, or condition of any object, is capable of baptizing that object; and by such change of character, state, or condition does, in fact, baptize it” (Classic Baptism, James Dale, pp. 352-354) This is not to be confused with the outward ritual which cannot change the character of an individual.
Either deal with it or be quiet!Jack
Hi Jack:I did not ask you what True baptism does. I asked you to give me the definition of the word “baptize”.
And, so don't accuse me of evading your question when that is exactly what you are doing.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:18) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:13) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:07) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,12:20) I said that the Holy Spirit if God's person, “He” but not a “Third Person”.
MartyIf the “He” is Gods person then the “He” is the Father. Right?
If not who is “He”?
So once again…
“Is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus?“
“Is Jesus the Son of the Holy Spirit?“
A simple Yes or No should be your answer.
WJ
Hi WJ:The answer is yes, the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWow how hard was that? Now can you show me where the Holy Spirit is ever referred to as the Father of Jesus?
Can you show me a scripture that says Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit?
WJ
Hi WJ:You are being ridiculous.
No you are being rediculous. Because you know that their is no scripture that says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit” and the Apostles or the Forefathers or anyone that I know of today says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”.Further more sir, there are no scriptures that says the Father is the Holy Spirit, or refers to the Father as the Holy Spirit.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) This is what the scripture states: Quote Luke 1:30-36 (King James Version)
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.And so, you can read the scriptures. I said yes to your question because the Holy Ghost is God's person.
Those scriptures do not say that Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”. You do realize the Holy Spirit takes part in the birth of every human being, but is every human being a “Son of the Holy Spirit”?Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) Now, then you show me a scripture which states that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-Une God. Love in Christ,
Marty
I can show you many but what good would it do for you will reject them as being scriptures like Matt 28:19. But just for fun here is a list of scriptures that show the “Three” as being distinct.Matthew 1:20, 21 “the Lord (the Father) … the Holy Spirit … Jesus”
Matthew 3:16, 17 “Jesus … the Spirit of God … a Voice from heaven (the Father)”
Matthew 12:18 “I … My Spirit … on Him”
Matthew 22:42, 43 “Christ … the Spirit … Lord (the Father)”
Mark 1:9-11 “Jesus … the Spirit … a Voice from heaven … My beloved Son”
Mark 12:35, 36 “Christ … the Holy Spirit … the Lord (the Father)”
Luke 1:35 “the Holy Spirit … the Highest … the Son of God”
Luke 2:26, 27 “the Holy Spirit … Christ … Jesus”
Luke 3:21, 22 “Jesus … the Holy Spirit … a Voice from heaven … My beloved Son”
Luke 10:21 “Jesus … the Spirit … Father”
Luke 12:9, 10 “God … the Son … the Holy Spirit”
John 3:5 “Jesus … the Spirit … God”
John 3:34, 35 “God … the Spirit … the Father … the Son”
John 4:24, 25 “God … a Spirit … Messiah … Christ”
John 14:16, 17, 26 “the Comforter … the Father … in My name”
John 15:26 “the Comforter … the Father … of Me”
John 20:21, 22 “Jesus … Father … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 2:32, 33 “Jesus … God … the Father … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 2:38, 39 “Jesus Christ … the Holy Spirit … God”
Acts 4:30, 31 “Jesus … the Holy Spirit … God”
Acts 5:31, 32 “God … a Prince and Savior … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 7:55 “the Holy Spirit … Jesus … God”
Acts 8:14-16 “God … the Holy Spirit … Jesus”
Acts 10:38 “God … Jesus … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 10:46-48 “God … the Holy Spirit … the Lord”
Acts 11:16, 17 “the Lord … the Holy Spirit … God … the Lord Jesus Christ”
Acts 20:21-23 “God … Jesus … the Holy Spirit”
Romans 1:1, 3, 4 “God … His Son, Jesus Christ … the Spirit”
Romans 5:5, 6 “God … the Holy Spirit … Christ”
Romans 8:2, 3 “the Spirit … Jesus … God … His own Son”
Romans 8:8, 9 “God … the Spirit … the Spirit of Christ”
Romans 8:16, 17 “the Spirit … God … Christ”
Romans 14:17, 18 “the Holy Spirit … Christ … God”
Romans 15:12, 13 “Root of Jesse (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
Romans 15:16 “Jesus … God … the Holy Spirit”
Romans 15:30 “The Lord Jesus Christ … the Spirit … God”
1 Corinthians 6:10, 11 “God … the Lord Jesus … the Spirit”
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 “Spirit … Lord … God”
1 Corinthians 7:39, 40 “the Lord Jesus … the Spirit … God”
1 Corinthians 8:2 “the Lord Jesus … the Spirit … God”
2 Corinthians 3:3, 4 “the Spirit … Christ … God”
2 Corinthians 13:14 “Jesus … God … the Holy Spirit”
2 Corinthians 5:5, 6 “God … the Spirit … the Lord (Jesus)”
Galatians 4:6, 7 “God … the Spirit … Son … Father … God … Christ”
Ephesians 2:18 “through Him (Jesus) … Spirit … the Father”
Ephesians 2:21, 22 “the Lord … God … the Spirit”
Ephesians 3:14, 16 “the Father … Jesus Christ … His Spirit”
Ephesians 4:4-6 “Spirit … Lord (Jesus) … God and Father”
Ephesians 5:18-20 “Spirit … Lord (Jesus) … God … Father”
Colossians 1:6-8 “God … Christ … Spirit”
1 Thessalonians 4:6-8 “Lord (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
1 Thessalonians 5:18, 19 “God … Father … Christ … Jesus … Spirit”
2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14 “God … Lord … God … Spirit … Lord Jesus Christ”
Titus 3:4-6 “God … Holy Spirit … Jesus Christ”
Hebrews 2:3, 4 “Lord (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
Hebrews 3:4, 6, 7 “God … Christ … Holy Spirit”
Hebrews 6:4-6 “Holy Spirit … God … Son”
Hebrews 9:14 “Christ … Spirit … God”
Hebrews 10:29-31 “Son of God … Spirit … Lord … God”
1 Peter 1:2 “God the Father … Spirit … Jesus Christ”
1 Peter 3:18 “Christ … God … Spirit”
1 Peter 4:14 “Christ … Spirit … God”
2 Peter 1:21 “God … Holy Spirit … Lord (Jesus)”
2 Peter 2:1 “God … Holy Spirit … Lord (Jesus)”
1 John 4:2 “Spirit … Jesus … God”
1 John 4:13, 14 “Spirit … Father … Son … Savior”
1 John 5:7 “Father … Word … Holy Spirit”
Jude 20, 21 “the Holy Spirit … God … Lord … Jesus Christ”
Revelation 1:9, 10 “Jesus Christ … God … Jesus Christ … Spirit”
Revelation 3:5-7 “Father … Spirit … He that hath the key of David (Jesus)”
Revelation 14:12, 13 “God … Jesus … Lord … Spirit”
Revelation 21:9, 10 “Lamb … Spirit … God”
Revelation 22:16-18 “the offspring of David (Jesus) … Spirit … God”Now once again show me a scripture that says “Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit” or that “the Father is the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:54) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:18) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:13) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:07) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,12:20) I said that the Holy Spirit if God's person, “He” but not a “Third Person”.
MartyIf the “He” is Gods person then the “He” is the Father. Right?
If not who is “He”?
So once again…
“Is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus?“
“Is Jesus the Son of the Holy Spirit?“
A simple Yes or No should be your answer.
WJ
Hi WJ:The answer is yes, the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWow how hard was that? Now can you show me where the Holy Spirit is ever referred to as the Father of Jesus?
Can you show me a scripture that says Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit?
WJ
Hi WJ:You are being ridiculous.
No you are being rediculous. Because you know that their is no scripture that says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit” and the Apostles or the Forefathers or anyone that I know of today says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”.Further more sir, there are no scriptures that says the Father is the Holy Spirit, or refers to the Father as the Holy Spirit.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) This is what the scripture states: Quote Luke 1:30-36 (King James Version)
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.And so, you can read the scriptures. I said yes to your question because the Holy Ghost is God's person.
Those scriptures do not say that Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”. You do realize the Holy Spirit takes part in the birth of every human being, but are we “Sons of the Holy Spirit”?Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) Now, then you show me a scripture which states that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-Une God. Love in Christ,
Marty
I can show you many but what good would it do for you will reject them as being scriptures like Matt 28:19. But just for fun here is a list of scriptures that show the “Three” as being distinct.Matthew 1:20, 21 “the Lord (the Father) … the Holy Spirit … Jesus”
Matthew 3:16, 17 “Jesus … the Spirit of God … a Voice from heaven (the Father)”
Matthew 12:18 “I … My Spirit … on Him”
Matthew 22:42, 43 “Christ … the Spirit … Lord (the Father)”
Mark 1:9-11 “Jesus … the Spirit … a Voice from heaven … My beloved Son”
Mark 12:35, 36 “Christ … the Holy Spirit … the Lord (the Father)”
Luke 1:35 “the Holy Spirit … the Highest … the Son of God”
Luke 2:26, 27 “the Holy Spirit … Christ … Jesus”
Luke 3:21, 22 “Jesus … the Holy Spirit … a Voice from heaven … My beloved Son”
Luke 10:21 “Jesus … the Spirit … Father”
Luke 12:9, 10 “God … the Son … the Holy Spirit”
John 3:5 “Jesus … the Spirit … God”
John 3:34, 35 “God … the Spirit … the Father … the Son”
John 4:24, 25 “God … a Spirit … Messiah … Christ”
John 14:16, 17, 26 “the Comforter … the Father … in My name”
John 15:26 “the Comforter … the Father … of Me”
John 20:21, 22 “Jesus … Father … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 2:32, 33 “Jesus … God … the Father … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 2:38, 39 “Jesus Christ … the Holy Spirit … God”
Acts 4:30, 31 “Jesus … the Holy Spirit … God”
Acts 5:31, 32 “God … a Prince and Savior … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 7:55 “the Holy Spirit … Jesus … God”
Acts 8:14-16 “God … the Holy Spirit … Jesus”
Acts 10:38 “God … Jesus … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 10:46-48 “God … the Holy Spirit … the Lord”
Acts 11:16, 17 “the Lord … the Holy Spirit … God … the Lord Jesus Christ”
Acts 20:21-23 “God … Jesus … the Holy Spirit”
Romans 1:1, 3, 4 “God … His Son, Jesus Christ … the Spirit”
Romans 5:5, 6 “God … the Holy Spirit … Christ”
Romans 8:2, 3 “the Spirit … Jesus … God … His own Son”
Romans 8:8, 9 “God … the Spirit … the Spirit of Christ”
Romans 8:16, 17 “the Spirit … God … Christ”
Romans 14:17, 18 “the Holy Spirit … Christ … God”
Romans 15:12, 13 “Root of Jesse (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
Romans 15:16 “Jesus … God … the Holy Spirit”
Romans 15:30 “The Lord Jesus Christ … the Spirit … God”
1 Corinthians 6:10, 11 “Go
d … the Lord Jesus … the Spirit”
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 “Spirit … Lord … God”
1 Corinthians 7:39, 40 “the Lord Jesus … the Spirit … God”
1 Corinthians 8:2 “the Lord Jesus … the Spirit … God”
2 Corinthians 3:3, 4 “the Spirit … Christ … God”
2 Corinthians 13:14 “Jesus … God … the Holy Spirit”
2 Corinthians 5:5, 6 “God … the Spirit … the Lord (Jesus)”
Galatians 4:6, 7 “God … the Spirit … Son … Father … God … Christ”
Ephesians 2:18 “through Him (Jesus) … Spirit … the Father”
Ephesians 2:21, 22 “the Lord … God … the Spirit”
Ephesians 3:14, 16 “the Father … Jesus Christ … His Spirit”
Ephesians 4:4-6 “Spirit … Lord (Jesus) … God and Father”
Ephesians 5:18-20 “Spirit … Lord (Jesus) … God … Father”
Colossians 1:6-8 “God … Christ … Spirit”
1 Thessalonians 4:6-8 “Lord (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
1 Thessalonians 5:18, 19 “God … Father … Christ … Jesus … Spirit”
2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14 “God … Lord … God … Spirit … Lord Jesus Christ”
Titus 3:4-6 “God … Holy Spirit … Jesus Christ”
Hebrews 2:3, 4 “Lord (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
Hebrews 3:4, 6, 7 “God … Christ … Holy Spirit”
Hebrews 6:4-6 “Holy Spirit … God … Son”
Hebrews 9:14 “Christ … Spirit … God”
Hebrews 10:29-31 “Son of God … Spirit … Lord … God”
1 Peter 1:2 “God the Father … Spirit … Jesus Christ”
1 Peter 3:18 “Christ … God … Spirit”
1 Peter 4:14 “Christ … Spirit … God”
2 Peter 1:21 “God … Holy Spirit … Lord (Jesus)”
2 Peter 2:1 “God … Holy Spirit … Lord (Jesus)”
1 John 4:2 “Spirit … Jesus … God”
1 John 4:13, 14 “Spirit … Father … Son … Savior”
1 John 5:7 “Father … Word … Holy Spirit”
Jude 20, 21 “the Holy Spirit … God … Lord … Jesus Christ”
Revelation 1:9, 10 “Jesus Christ … God … Jesus Christ … Spirit”
Revelation 3:5-7 “Father … Spirit … He that hath the key of David (Jesus)”
Revelation 14:12, 13 “God … Jesus … Lord … Spirit”
Revelation 21:9, 10 “Lamb … Spirit … God”
Revelation 22:16-18 “the offspring of David (Jesus) … Spirit … God”Now once again show me a scripture that says “Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit” or that “the Father is the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Hi WJ:None of those scriptures state that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
But there are various scriptures which state that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi WJ:
Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.And so, according to “Triniatarian” that which is conceived in her is of the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:02) None of those scriptures state that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God. But there are various scriptures which state that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWhat those scriptures show is the Holy Spirit is distinct and not the Father. Did you even bother looking at them?
But you cannot present a single scripture that says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit” nor can you present a single scripture that says the “Holy Spirit is the Father”.
WJ
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:11) Hi WJ: Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.And so, according to “Triniatarian” that which is conceived in her is of the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyNo not at all because Trinitrians do not believe like you do that God had sex with a woman.
The conception was merely a miracle of creation like Adam was created from the dust.
This is why Jesus is called the “Second Adam”, because his conception was not like every other human by procreation of a man and a woman.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:14) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:02) None of those scriptures state that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God. But there are various scriptures which state that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWhat those scriptures show is the Holy Spirit is distinct and not the Father. Did you even bother looking at them?
But you cannot present a single scripture that says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit” nor can you present a single scripture that says the “Holy Spirit is the Father”.
WJ
Hi Keith:God is a living person or a soul. A person has a mind, a will and emotions. Just as you do. God's Spirit is His life. Just as your spirit is your life That is how we know his character, by what he does. His throne is in heaven, but He can be everywhere by His Spirit.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:14) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:02) None of those scriptures state that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God. But there are various scriptures which state that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWhat those scriptures show is the Holy Spirit is distinct and not the Father. Did you even bother looking at them?
But you cannot present a single scripture that says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit” nor can you present a single scripture that says the “Holy Spirit is the Father”.
WJ
Hi Keith:God is a living person or a soul. A person has a mind, a will and emotions. Just as you do. God's Spirit is His life. Just as your spirit is your life That is who we know that He is, by what he does. His throne is in heaven, but He can be everywhere by His Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartySo then God is not as great as his Spirit because his Spirit can be everywhere while he is heaven?
No, its more like God is everywhere and his throne is merely a metaphor so that we humans can comprehend him.
The heavens are his throne and the earth is his footstool.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:19) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:11) Hi WJ: Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.And so, according to “Triniatarian” that which is conceived in her is of the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyNo not at all because Trinitrians do not believe like you do that God had sex with a woman.
The conception was merely a miracle of creation like Adam was created from the dust.
This is why Jesus is called the “Second Adam”, because his conception was not like every other human by procreation of a man and a woman.
WJ
Hi Keith:Now, you are insulting me. I never said that God had sex with a woman.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:30) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:19) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:11) Hi WJ: Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.And so, according to “Triniatarian” that which is conceived in her is of the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyNo not at all because Trinitrians do not believe like you do that God had sex with a woman.
The conception was merely a miracle of creation like Adam was created from the dust.
This is why Jesus is called the “Second Adam”, because his conception was not like every other human by procreation of a man and a woman.
WJ
Hi Keith:Now, you are insulting me. I never said that God had sex with a woman.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartySorry you are insulted but it is you that states that Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:34) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:30) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:19) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:11) Hi WJ: Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.And so, according to “Triniatarian” that which is conceived in her is of the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyNo not at all because Trinitrians do not believe like you do that God had sex with a woman.
The conception was merely a miracle of creation like Adam was created from the dust.
This is why Jesus is called the “Second Adam”, because his conception was not like every other human by procreation of a man and a woman.
WJ
Hi Keith:Now, you are insulting me. I never said that God had sex with a woman.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartySorry you are insulted but it is you that states that Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Hi Keith:What I say is based on Matthew 1:20 which states that a Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost.
That is what the scripture states.
It is you who states the the Holy Ghost is a “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:34) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:30) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:19) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:11) Hi WJ: Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.And so, according to “Triniatarian” that which is conceived in her is of the “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyNo not at all because Trinitrians do not believe like you do that God had sex with a woman.
The conception was merely a miracle of creation like Adam was created from the dust.
This is why Jesus is called the “Second Adam”, because his conception was not like every other human by procreation of a man and a woman.
WJ
Hi Keith:Now, you are insulting me. I never said that God had sex with a woman.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartySorry you are insulted but it is you that states that Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Hi Keith:What I say is based on Matthew 1:20 which states that a Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost.
That is what the scripture states.
It is you who states the the Holy Ghost is a “Third Person” of a Tri-une God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyThe scriptures also teaches there are “Three” and they also teach that the “Three” are God.
But the scriptures do not teach that “Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit” nor that “The Father is the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Hi Marty
How are you going to pull that off in your organization? That not only are the scriptures corrupted because Matt 28:19 shouldn't be there, but also that the Father is the Holy Spirit and Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit?
WJ
Hi Keith:
Here are a couple of scriptures for you to ponder:
Quote 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Quote Matthew 10:19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Quote Acts 1
1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty wrote:
Quote Hi Jack: I did not ask you what True baptism does. I asked you to give me the definition of the word “baptize”.
And, so don't accuse me of evading your question when that is exactly what you are doing.
Marty,Looong before I defined “true baptism” I REPEATEDLY said that “to baptize” means “to make disciples.” You're just playing word games now.
Deal with ALL that I have said or be quiet!
Jack
Marty said to keith:
Quote Hi Keith: Now, you are insulting me. I never said that God had sex with a woman.
Marty,You may as well have said that God had sex with a woman. When you say that the Holy Spirit is Christ's father you imply it.
Note that the narrative does not say that the sperma of the Most High overshadowed Mary. It says that the POWER of hte Most High overshadowed her. In other words, Mary conceived by the RAW POWER of God without any fertilizing agent from God.
You have really been ridiculous lately.
Jack
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2011,07:06) Hi Keith: Here are a couple of scriptures for you to ponder:
Quote 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Quote Matthew 10:19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Quote Acts 1
1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,Systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
It seems WJ has chosen to reject what the Scriptures clearly teach,
instead clinging to what the systems of religion have taught about God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2011,07:59) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2011,07:06) Hi Keith: Here are a couple of scriptures for you to ponder:
Quote 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Quote Matthew 10:19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Quote Acts 1
1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,Systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
It seems WJ has chosen to reject what the Scriptures clearly teach,
instead clinging to what the systems of religion have taught about God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Now here is WJ's side of it Ed,Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:18) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:13) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,05:07) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,12:20) I said that the Holy Spirit if God's person, “He” but not a “Third Person”.
MartyIf the “He” is Gods person then the “He” is the Father. Right?
If not who is “He”?
So once again…
“Is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus?“
“Is Jesus the Son of the Holy Spirit?“
A simple Yes or No should be your answer.
WJ
Hi WJ:The answer is yes, the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWow how hard was that? Now can you show me where the Holy Spirit is ever referred to as the Father of Jesus?
Can you show me a scripture that says Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit?
WJ
Hi WJ:You are being ridiculous.
No you are being rediculous. Because you know that their is no scripture that says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit” and the Apostles or the Forefathers or anyone that I know of today says Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”.Further more sir, there are no scriptures that says the Father is the Holy Spirit, or refers to the Father as the Holy Spirit.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) This is what the scripture states: Quote Luke 1:30-36 (King James Version)
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Quote Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.And so, you can read the scriptures. I said yes to your question because the Holy Ghost is God's person.
Those scriptures do not say that Jesus is the “Son of the Holy Spirit”. You do realize the Holy Spirit takes part in the birth of every human being, but is every human being a “Son of the Holy Spirit”?Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,13:37) Now, then you show me a scripture which states that the Holy Spirit is the “Third Person” of a Tri-Une God. Love in Christ,
Marty
I can show you many but what good would it do for you will reject them as being scriptures like Matt 28:19. But just for fun here is a list of scriptures that show the “Three” as being distinct.Matthew 1:20, 21 “the Lord (the Father) … the Holy Spirit … Jesus”
Matthew 3:16, 17 “Jesus … the Spirit of God … a Voice from heaven (the Father)”
Matthew 12:18 “I … My Spirit … on Him”
Matthew 22:42, 43 “Christ … the Spirit … Lord (the Father)”
Mark 1:9-11 “Jesus … the Spirit … a Voice from heaven … My beloved Son”
Mark 12:35, 36 “Christ … the Holy Spirit … the Lord (the Father)”
Luke 1:35 “the Holy Spirit … the Highest … the Son of God”
Luke 2:26, 27 “the Holy Spirit … Christ … Jesus”
Luke 3:21
, 22 “Jesus … the Holy Spirit … a Voice from heaven … My beloved Son”
Luke 10:21 “Jesus … the Spirit … Father”
Luke 12:9, 10 “God … the Son … the Holy Spirit”
John 3:5 “Jesus … the Spirit … God”
John 3:34, 35 “God … the Spirit … the Father … the Son”
John 4:24, 25 “God … a Spirit … Messiah … Christ”
John 14:16, 17, 26 “the Comforter … the Father … in My name”
John 15:26 “the Comforter … the Father … of Me”
John 20:21, 22 “Jesus … Father … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 2:32, 33 “Jesus … God … the Father … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 2:38, 39 “Jesus Christ … the Holy Spirit … God”
Acts 4:30, 31 “Jesus … the Holy Spirit … God”
Acts 5:31, 32 “God … a Prince and Savior … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 7:55 “the Holy Spirit … Jesus … God”
Acts 8:14-16 “God … the Holy Spirit … Jesus”
Acts 10:38 “God … Jesus … the Holy Spirit”
Acts 10:46-48 “God … the Holy Spirit … the Lord”
Acts 11:16, 17 “the Lord … the Holy Spirit … God … the Lord Jesus Christ”
Acts 20:21-23 “God … Jesus … the Holy Spirit”
Romans 1:1, 3, 4 “God … His Son, Jesus Christ … the Spirit”
Romans 5:5, 6 “God … the Holy Spirit … Christ”
Romans 8:2, 3 “the Spirit … Jesus … God … His own Son”
Romans 8:8, 9 “God … the Spirit … the Spirit of Christ”
Romans 8:16, 17 “the Spirit … God … Christ”
Romans 14:17, 18 “the Holy Spirit … Christ … God”
Romans 15:12, 13 “Root of Jesse (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
Romans 15:16 “Jesus … God … the Holy Spirit”
Romans 15:30 “The Lord Jesus Christ … the Spirit … God”
1 Corinthians 6:10, 11 “God … the Lord Jesus … the Spirit”
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 “Spirit … Lord … God”
1 Corinthians 7:39, 40 “the Lord Jesus … the Spirit … God”
1 Corinthians 8:2 “the Lord Jesus … the Spirit … God”
2 Corinthians 3:3, 4 “the Spirit … Christ … God”
2 Corinthians 13:14 “Jesus … God … the Holy Spirit”
2 Corinthians 5:5, 6 “God … the Spirit … the Lord (Jesus)”
Galatians 4:6, 7 “God … the Spirit … Son … Father … God … Christ”
Ephesians 2:18 “through Him (Jesus) … Spirit … the Father”
Ephesians 2:21, 22 “the Lord … God … the Spirit”
Ephesians 3:14, 16 “the Father … Jesus Christ … His Spirit”
Ephesians 4:4-6 “Spirit … Lord (Jesus) … God and Father”
Ephesians 5:18-20 “Spirit … Lord (Jesus) … God … Father”
Colossians 1:6-8 “God … Christ … Spirit”
1 Thessalonians 4:6-8 “Lord (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
1 Thessalonians 5:18, 19 “God … Father … Christ … Jesus … Spirit”
2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14 “God … Lord … God … Spirit … Lord Jesus Christ”
Titus 3:4-6 “God … Holy Spirit … Jesus Christ”
Hebrews 2:3, 4 “Lord (Jesus) … God … Holy Spirit”
Hebrews 3:4, 6, 7 “God … Christ … Holy Spirit”
Hebrews 6:4-6 “Holy Spirit … God … Son”
Hebrews 9:14 “Christ … Spirit … God”
Hebrews 10:29-31 “Son of God … Spirit … Lord … God”
1 Peter 1:2 “God the Father … Spirit … Jesus Christ”
1 Peter 3:18 “Christ … God … Spirit”
1 Peter 4:14 “Christ … Spirit … God”
2 Peter 1:21 “God … Holy Spirit … Lord (Jesus)”
2 Peter 2:1 “God … Holy Spirit … Lord (Jesus)”
1 John 4:2 “Spirit … Jesus … God”
1 John 4:13, 14 “Spirit … Father … Son … Savior”
1 John 5:7 “Father … Word … Holy Spirit”
Jude 20, 21 “the Holy Spirit … God … Lord … Jesus Christ”
Revelation 1:9, 10 “Jesus Christ … God … Jesus Christ … Spirit”
Revelation 3:5-7 “Father … Spirit … He that hath the key of David (Jesus)”
Revelation 14:12, 13 “God … Jesus … Lord … Spirit”
Revelation 21:9, 10 “Lamb … Spirit … God”
Revelation 22:16-18 “the offspring of David (Jesus) … Spirit … God”Now once again show me a scripture that says “Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit” or that “the Father is the Holy Spirit”.
WJ
Hi Jack,
Here is what the Scriptures say…
Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave
them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Eph.1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law(Gal.3:17),
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ!
Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me?
wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who
the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye
in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come
unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself(Amos 3:7);
but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.Matt.25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world:Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
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