Mikeboll64 vs francis

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,10:38)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,15:35)

lol realy Ed?
Price of Tea ed?

nice way of avoiding a debate with Mike?

why are you scared?

Hi SF,

Fear has NOTHING to do with this.

I don't debate, I simply shine light on “The Truth” (Ephesians 5:13);
it's up to you, whether you want to agree with “The Truth” or speak lies!

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

Lol,
Ed you at times humor me, and other times deeply annoy me.
seriously though,

Its ok that your scared of Mike.
and scared of losing your allies, who all disagree with your number system.

January 17, 2011 at 6:53 am#233436

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Quote (t8 @ Jan. 16 2011,05:47)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2011,09:46)

Does having the word “elohim” applied to one necessarily mean that one is “NOT” God Almighty? YES or NO

I am not sure that you can answer yes and no to this one in the same way that I can say, “have you stopped robbing banks”? Yes or no obviously doesn't work for that question either.

Not all who are called elohim are the Almighty Elohim/Theos. Is this what you are saying?

Exodus 20:23 (English-NIV)
Do not make any gods (Elohim) to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods (Elohim) of silver or gods (Elohim) of gold.

Psalms 82:6 (English-NIV)
“I said, `You are “gods” (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.'

Psalms is quoted in the NT here:

John 10:34 (English-NIV)
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, `I have said you are gods (theos)'

Now read the next verse closely:

Psalm 97:7
All who worship images are put to shame, those who boast in idols; worship him, all you gods (Elohim)!

Even angels are called gods in Psalm 97:7. This verse is actually quoted in the Hebrews 1:6 and it is referring to the Angels.

There you have it WJ. The answer to your question.

T8,
Isnt that a debate fallacy? “have you stopped robbing banks”?
The question is implying that one has robed banks.
Implication shouldnt be inlcuded within such a question.

I dont think WJ question is any different from what Mike asked but backwards in view.

January 17, 2011 at 6:56 am#233437

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,16:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,10:38)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,15:35)

lol realy Ed?
Price of Tea ed?

nice way of avoiding a debate with Mike?

why are you scared?

Hi SF,

Fear has NOTHING to do with this.

I don't debate, I simply shine light on “The Truth” (Ephesians 5:13);
it's up to you, whether you want to agree with “The Truth” or speak lies!

Lol,
Ed you at times humor me, and other times deeply annoy me.
seriously though,

Its ok that your scared of Mike.
and scared of losing your allies, who all disagree with your number system.

Hi Dennison,

These are facts; what do you disagree with?

God's Signature

יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 17, 2011 at 6:59 am#233438

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,10:56)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,16:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,10:38)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,15:35)

lol realy Ed?
Price of Tea ed?

nice way of avoiding a debate with Mike?

why are you scared?

Hi SF,

Fear has NOTHING to do with this.

I don't debate, I simply shine light on “The Truth” (Ephesians 5:13);
it's up to you, whether you want to agree with “The Truth” or speak lies!

Lol,
Ed you at times humor me, and other times deeply annoy me.
seriously though,

Its ok that your scared of Mike.
and scared of losing your allies, who all disagree with your number system.

Hi Dennison,

These are facts; what do you disagree with?

God's Signature

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Lol,
dont you believe that Satan =74 and Jesus=74?

January 17, 2011 at 7:22 am#233441

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,16:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,10:56)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,16:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,10:38)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,15:35)

lol realy Ed?
Price of Tea ed?

nice way of avoiding a debate with Mike?

why are you scared?

Hi SF,

Fear has NOTHING to do with this.

I don't debate, I simply shine light on “The Truth” (Ephesians 5:13);
it's up to you, whether you want to agree with “The Truth” or speak lies!

Lol,
Ed you at times humor me, and other times deeply annoy me.
seriously though,

Its ok that your scared of Mike.
and scared of losing your allies, who all disagree with your number system.

Hi Dennison,

These are facts; what do you disagree with?

God's Signature

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Lol,
dont you believe that Satan =74 and Jesus=74?

Hi Dennison,

I explained that to you on every thread you ask.

Lucifer(74) was extracted from “The Godhead” at “Jesus”(74) disease. (See Isaiah 14:19-20)

(פסח = 148)
The Passover = 148
74 + 74 = 148

At Jesus=74 decease: Lucifer=74 was extracted from “The Godhead” (Isaiah 14:19-20)
“God The Father” resurrects Jesus. (Gal.1:1) Jesus then returns to Heaven. (Acts 1:5-9)
“Tree of Life”=101 is “GOD”=26, because 101 is the 26Th Prime Number! (Genesis 3:24)
The identity of יהוה=26 is GOD=26 spoken as YÄ=26: the “Tree of Life”! (Revelation 22:2)

Pentecost=117
(Click Here)

Jesus=74 sends the “Spirit of God”=117 in behalf of “God The Father”=117 to all the believers in God. (John 14:26)
The LORD JEHOVAH=151 sends “Jesus Christ”=151 with the “HolySpirit”=151 in behalf of all Believers! (John 14:23)

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the HolySpirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall
teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,
even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me:

FEAST OF BOOTHS=151
(Click Here)

Since we are now in the “Feast of Tabernacles”=151, which is also called
“Feast of Booths”=151, believers should understand this! (John 14:23)

“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 17, 2011 at 8:23 am#233445

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ok sureeeeeeeeeeee………….

January 17, 2011 at 9:16 am#233452

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,18:23)

ok sureeeeeeeeeeee………….

Hi Dennison,

Original sin: The rebellion of Lucifer, the anointed cherub that covereth, cast out of the mountain of God!
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (Rev.18:5)

Ezekiel 28:13-17 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering,
the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald,
and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee
in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:
thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
By the multitude of thy merchandise(Rev.18:12) they have filled the midst of thee with violence,
and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God:
and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty(Isaiah 14:13-14),
thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground(Isaiah 14:15-16), I will
lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Nahum 1:14 And “The LORD” hath given a commandment concerning thee,
that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off
the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 17, 2011 at 9:57 am#233458

Istari

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SF,T8,

The problem most everyone seem to be having regarding 'elohim', 'God', is that there seems to be an attachment of the TITLE term 'God' to the Almighty God.

While it is correct to say that Almighty God is God, it must also be acknowledged that the Title of God is a title than can be given to many others.

As well as the title of God, there is also a term, 'God', which implies 'One who is worshipped, one to whom others give sacrament, a mighty one who is looked up to for leadership'. This certainly applies to many persons who were obviously not The God Almighty.

Almighty God himself used the title, and the term to others, such as those quoted by t8 above, as well as to Moses, Abraham, David, Solomon, some of the prophets, even Satan, and, of course, to Jesus Christ.

In some of the quotes given by t8, it is clear that pagan worship included the making of tangible. Visible, sensual figures from wood, stone, metals, etc, as well as human beings.

Almighty God, wisely informed his followers not to go after such Gods as they were powerless and delusional, in short, not real ('so called').

It is a sad thing, and a wise thing, that man stopped calling on the name of the Almighty God, the name He, God Amighty, the God Most High, gave to man, 'I AM'/'YHVH', as by now that name would have been profaned put of existence of its power through misuse and abuse.

Now, because we ASSUME and PRESUME to call ALMIGHTY GOD by the simple title of 'God', much confusion has arisen as to all other references to the use of the title of God to others, a confusion that is very simple to clear up by the use of Context.

WJ (ignore too junior), as all Trinitarians, claims that Jesus is God, meaning God Almighty, but they never say it, because God Almighty said to David by prophetic reference to Jesus, 'Thy throne O God…'
Clearly, to any sane individual, this is in no way claiming that Jesus is God Almighty, else David, too, would also have to be God Almighty.
Further, Satan was called, 'the God of this system of things'…another 'God', and Moses, God Almighty said, 'You will be as God to your brother Aaron'. Yet another 'God'!!

Yet Trinitarians clearly claim that there is only ONE GOD, and that ONE GOD is the Father! Oh, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit…hmmm… I think even kindergArten mathematics puts that as Three!!

But wait, there's more!! There is Moses, and Satan, and the pagan Gods, and the human Gods….just how many Gods are there?

Ah, so now WJ has hit a new theme: The One True God.

Excellent, this will clear things up…and from a Trinitarian, too. Cool!!

But, sadly, not straight forward. WJ says that the ONE TRUE GOD implies that there are no other Gods.

How sad for the 'gods' of this world that even simple linguistics defeat them!
What does 'one TRUE God' imply? Simple: that there are many who stand as 'God' but ONLY ONE is the True one.

And it is as the Apostle says, just to compound the matter,
'For there are many Gods, just as there are many Kings and many lords'

How easy it is for the blind to claim they can see…to another who is also blind.
How foolish are the blind as seen by the sighted, yet the blind claim that it is the sighted one who cannot see because the blind one has no notion of what cN be seen by the sighted.

Mikeboll64, claims that Astari knows nothing about Dimensions and Mikeboll64's 9 year old knows more, yet, yet, yet…Mikeboll64 does not know what Dimensions means…!
Sadly, not quite true, he does understand, he just cannot stand admitting it. If he did, then all his seeking for proof and unsure thoughts on Spiritual Bodies Nd how Jesus is flesh and bone on earth yet Spirit in Heaven would be cleared up in the twinkling of an eye.
His eyes would be opened like that of the blind man from birth and he would see the glory of God.
But, sadly, that actually isn't what Mikeboll64 is seeking. Mikeboll64 is seeking 'the Glory of Mikeboll64'!!

January 17, 2011 at 11:07 am#233468

Kangaroo Jack Jr.

Participant

Istari wrote:

Quote

Yet Trinitarians clearly claim that there is only ONE GOD, and that ONE GOD is the Father! Oh, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit…hmmm… I think even kindergArten mathematics puts that as Three!!

Yet the word “one” in reference to God indicates plural unity like in the statement “the TWO shall become ONE flesh.”

The husband and wife are TWO yet ONE. I wonder if Istari has ever heard of the expression “e pluribus unum” (plural one).

KJ Jr.

January 17, 2011 at 5:54 pm#233497

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Quote

In some of the quotes given by t8, it is clear that pagan worship included the making of tangible. Visible, sensual figures from wood, stone, metals, etc, as well as human beings.

Almighty God, wisely informed his followers not to go after such Gods as they were powerless and delusional, in short, not real ('so called').

Im just going to respond what you referred to me since im not a Trinitarian.
That is the point we are trying to make, that the Definition or the ONE TRUE IDENTIY OF THE ONE AND ONLY GOD is mentioned in the Context of scripture not solely on the one word.

Istaria/JA – Does God ONLY mean, “Leader” “Judge” or “Ruler” or is the word defined by the context of scripture?

And can you also agree that having a title also holds prerequistes in order to fullfill that title.
For example, a father cannot be a father without a Son.
Neither is a King a king without a Kingdom or Royal blood or Annointed/Ordained

Jesus Claimed that he fullfilled the Scriptures, and The Trinitarians and I agree that he full filled the scriptures which also fullfills his Title.

January 17, 2011 at 7:49 pm#233504

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Quote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,04:35)

Hello Mike…

So my other question is this:

What will it take, to convince you that Jesus is God Almighty? And please be specific. Remember, all we have are the scriptures to work with… so what are you looking for in those scriptures that would convince you that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

God Bless
Respectfully
Francis

Hi Everyone,

Look everyone at this strong piece of evidence.
Francis apparently didn't enter a debate with Mike
to help establish “The Truth” of what Scripture says,
but only to persuade Mike what he believes to be truth!
No wonder he refuses to discuss Scriptures with me Here.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 17, 2011 at 7:55 pm#233505

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 16 2011,22:44)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,08:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,08:09)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,12:56)

Mike,

instead of studying scripture, google “LD debate” for you can learn how to create better arguements.
nonesense mike, and im tired of your bogus claims.

Hi SF,

What about 'your' claims? Do you study Scripture?

Gen.6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me;
for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Did God completely obliterate the Earth? No, Dennison God just destroyed the flesh on Earth, just the flesh on Earth!

We read: 2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise, and the rudiments shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

You need to know what “the rudiments” are, so you know what is getting burned up!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what is getting burned up; Dennison!

2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Elements: Greek #4747 στοιχεῖον (stoicheion) stoy-khi'-on:
the elements of knowledge , principally: Rudiments.
What gets 'burned up' is the 'rudiments'! (2Peter 3:10)
Rudiments: an arrangement unable to perform it's normal function,
a fundamental skill, something uniformed. (Gen.2:17)

Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col:2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J, BUG OFF!
your annoying,

You know what, Why dont you bother MIKE, when he makes his insults or avoids good logic.

Its sad that Mike became your “God” lol (leader, ruler, Judge)

You know what!
in second thought Ed J

Why dont you present your case to Mike, and ask him what he thinks?

Prove it to mike and see if ya agree.
hey why dont you guys have a debate about rudiments!

Dennison

Funny how ED says the NKJV is “The” correct and only true translation, yet he constantly corrects the translation.

Ed did not give you the entire definition of the word “Elements” Strong's G4747 – stoicheion…

Here is the rest…

1) any first thing, from which the others belonging to some series or composite whole take their rise, an element, first principal

a) the letters of the alphabet as the elements of speech, not however the written characters, but the spoken sounds

b) the elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe

c) the heavenly bodies, either as parts of the heavens or (as others think) because in them the elements of man, life and destiny were supposed to reside

d) the elements, rudiments, primary and fundamental principles of any art, science, or discipline

1) i.e. of mathematics, Euclid's geometry

Not a single translation on BlueletterBible.org translates it “Rudiments”.

Most of them translate it “elements”. I think the NKJV has it right don't you ED?

Blessings Keith

January 17, 2011 at 7:59 pm#233506

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,13:49)

Quote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,04:35)

Hello Mike…

So my other question is this:

God Bless
Respectfully
Francis

Hi Everyone,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Your accusation is a two edged sword. Do you think Mike or yourself are not “Trying” to convince others of “Your Truth”?

Are you looking in that mirror again Ed?

I am sure he has his reasons for not having dialogue with you. Probably because he doesn't have time, but then it could be some of the same reasons why others do not want to have dialogue with you.

January 17, 2011 at 8:07 pm#233508

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,23:49)

Quote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,04:35)

Hello Mike…

So my other question is this:

God Bless
Respectfully
Francis

Hi Everyone,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed your a Pharasie,
Francis said this also

Quote

And here is part of the problem as I see it. It appears that you wan't something MORE CONCRETE… or your want MORE EVIDENCE than that which has been given in the scriptures, etc.

Your misqouting and not giving the full context of what he is saying. There is a problem and he is looking for clarification and also trying to understand mike, because there is a BIG communication problem.

You try so hard to pick fights with the bigboys, but Ed you still have a long way to go.

And the main reason in why you lack, is because you are not here to learn, but to speak your carnal doctrine.

You got problems and some loose bolts in your head

January 17, 2011 at 8:12 pm#233509

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2011,23:55)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 16 2011,22:44)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,08:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,08:09)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,12:56)

Mike,

instead of studying scripture, google “LD debate” for you can learn how to create better arguements.
nonesense mike, and im tired of your bogus claims.

Hi SF,

What about 'your' claims? Do you study Scripture?

You need to know what “the rudiments” are, so you know what is getting burned up!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what is getting burned up; Dennison!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J, BUG OFF!
your annoying,

You know what, Why dont you bother MIKE, when he makes his insults or avoids good logic.

Its sad that Mike became your “God” lol (leader, ruler, Judge)

You know what!
in second thought Ed J

Why dont you present your case to Mike, and ask him what he thinks?

Prove it to mike and see if ya agree.
hey why dont you guys have a debate about rudiments!

Dennison

Funny how ED says the NKJV is “The” correct and only true translation, yet he constantly corrects the translation.

Ed did not give you the entire definition of the word “Elements” Strong's G4747 – stoicheion…

Here is the rest…

1) any first thing, from which the others belonging to some series or composite whole take their rise, an element, first principal

a) the letters of the alphabet as the elements of speech, not however the written characters, but the spoken sounds

b) the elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe

c) the heavenly bodies, either as parts of the heavens or (as others think) because in them the elements of man, life and destiny were supposed to reside

d) the elements, rudiments, primary and fundamental principles of any art, science, or discipline

1) i.e. of mathematics, Euclid's geometry

Not a single translation on BlueletterBible.org translates it “Rudiments”.

Most of them translate it “elements”. I think the NKJV has it right don't you ED?

Blessings Keith

Hi WJ,

I already proved his doctrines false, he just doenst accept it.

I love how he ignores the part where it says “the Earth” and doesnt highlight it.

He also thinks Mike totlaly agrees with his number system. which lol he doesnt.

andddddd how he equates the devil to Jesus with his number 74.

Plus thanks for the rest of the definitions, it helps to prove further that his ideals are nonesense.
I already proved that In Revelations it states that there will be a NEW earth and a NEW heaven. there is nothing left to say.

Ed just likes jumping into heated debates so you can get some attention.

Im just a fool who keeps on responding to his nonesense.

January 17, 2011 at 8:14 pm#233510

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 18 2011,05:55)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 16 2011,22:44)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,08:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,08:09)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,12:56)

Mike,

instead of studying scripture, google “LD debate” for you can learn how to create better arguements.
nonesense mike, and im tired of your bogus claims.

Hi SF,

What about 'your' claims? Do you study Scripture?

You need to know what “the rudiments” are, so you know what is getting burned up!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what is getting burned up; Dennison!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J, BUG OFF!
your annoying,

You know what, Why dont you bother MIKE, when he makes his insults or avoids good logic.

Its sad that Mike became your “God” lol (leader, ruler, Judge)

You know what!
in second thought Ed J

Why dont you present your case to Mike, and ask him what he thinks?

Prove it to mike and see if ya agree.
hey why dont you guys have a debate about rudiments!

Dennison

Funny how ED says the NKJV is “The” correct and only true translation, yet he constantly corrects the translation.

Ed did not give you the entire definition of the word “Elements” Strong's G4747 – stoicheion…

Here is the rest…

1) any first thing, from which the others belonging to some series or composite whole take their rise, an element, first principal

a) the letters of the alphabet as the elements of speech, not however the written characters, but the spoken sounds

b) the elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe

c) the heavenly bodies, either as parts of the heavens or (as others think) because in them the elements of man, life and destiny were supposed to reside

d) the elements, rudiments, primary and fundamental principles of any art, science, or discipline

1) i.e. of mathematics, Euclid's geometry

Not a single translation on BlueletterBible.org translates it “Rudiments”.

Most of them translate it “elements”. I think the NKJV has it right don't you ED?

Blessings Keith

Hi WJ,

Both of these verses are translated from the very same word; any comments?

Col:2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the
rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Col:2:20-22 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why,
as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Which all are to perish with the using😉 after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 17, 2011 at 8:43 pm#233512

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,14:14)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 18 2011,05:55)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 16 2011,22:44)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,08:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2011,08:09)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,12:56)

Mike,

instead of studying scripture, google “LD debate” for you can learn how to create better arguements.
nonesense mike, and im tired of your bogus claims.

Hi SF,

What about 'your' claims? Do you study Scripture?

You need to know what “the rudiments” are, so you know what is getting burned up!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what is getting burned up; Dennison!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J, BUG OFF!
your annoying,

You know what, Why dont you bother MIKE, when he makes his insults or avoids good logic.

Its sad that Mike became your “God” lol (leader, ruler, Judge)

You know what!
in second thought Ed J

Why dont you present your case to Mike, and ask him what he thinks?

Prove it to mike and see if ya agree.
hey why dont you guys have a debate about rudiments!

Dennison

Funny how ED says the NKJV is “The” correct and only true translation, yet he constantly corrects the translation.

Ed did not give you the entire definition of the word “Elements” Strong's G4747 – stoicheion…

Here is the rest…

1) any first thing, from which the others belonging to some series or composite whole take their rise, an element, first principal

a) the letters of the alphabet as the elements of speech, not however the written characters, but the spoken sounds

b) the elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe

c) the heavenly bodies, either as parts of the heavens or (as others think) because in them the elements of man, life and destiny were supposed to reside

d) the elements, rudiments, primary and fundamental principles of any art, science, or discipline

1) i.e. of mathematics, Euclid's geometry

Not a single translation on BlueletterBible.org translates it “Rudiments”.

Most of them translate it “elements”. I think the NKJV has it right don't you ED?

Blessings Keith

Hi WJ,

Both of these verses are translated from the very same word; any comments?

Col:2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the
rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yea

“Rudiments' of the “kosmos” are different from the “Rudiments” of the earth (Strong's G1093 – gē).

Look it up and see for yourself..

Earth – Strong's G1093 – gē…

1) arable land

2) the ground, the earth as a standing place

3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water

4) the earth as a whole

a) the earth as opposed to the heavens

b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals

5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

Do you see anything in the above definition that implies anything different than the physical earth?

So what are you saying ED, that the NKJV that you boast as the only inspired translatiion has flaws?

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