MIKE, TERRA, ED

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Moses told the people that God will send a greater prophet than himself listen to him he said “

Mal 3:1 “See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.
Mal 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.
Mal 3:3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,

and there are more ;but this will answer your question ,and I do believe in scriptures

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Pierre

Brother Pierre, I always read what you say, as long as you are nice.

Yes Moses spoke of Jesus to come.
Mal 3, Spoke of John the Baptist.

But that doesn't answer my question.
What would it take for YOU to believe God sent a prophet to us, in the 20th century?
A real live breathing, flesh and blood man

Doesn't someone here would have an answer to this question?

Second question, maybe it will help. Who is spoke of in Mal 4?

God Bless
bro Marlin

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But that doesn't answer my question.
What would it take for YOU to believe God sent a prophet to us, in the 20th century?
A real live breathing, flesh and blood man

O.K It was not clear to me that it was this type of prophet you were talking about ,answer NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT.

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Second question, maybe it will help. Who is spoke of in Mal 4?

Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.
Mal 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.
Mal 3:3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,
Mal 3:4 and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the LORD, as in days gone by, as in former years.
Mal 3:5 “So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me,” says the LORD Almighty

this is the announcement of the coming of Christ(the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty. )

October 13, 2012 at 4:12 am#315987

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But that doesn't answer my question.
What would it take for YOU to believe God sent a prophet to us, in the 20th century?
A real live breathing, flesh and blood man

O.K It was not clear to me that it was this type of prophet you were talking about ,answer NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT.

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Second question, maybe it will help. Who is spoke of in Mal 4?

this is the announcement of the coming of Christ(the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty. )

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Pierre

Yes my brother, Mal 3:2-5 speaks of the Lord Jesus.

Mal 3:1, speaks of John the baptist, the messenger, prophet, to introduce the first coming of Jesus Christ.
MAL 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

If that scripture doesn't do it for you, how about if Jesus says it Himself.
MAT 11:10 † For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Compare what Jesus said here with Mal 3:1.
John the Baptist was Mal 3:1.

Mal 4:5, speaks of another. To announce the second coming the Jesus Christ. It has been 2000 years and the earth hasn't burned. Also the hearts of the children have to be turned back to the fathers (Pentecostal fathers).

What would it take for YOU to believe God sent a prophet to us, in the 20th century?
You said, answer NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT.

Can you hear yourself, that is just exactly what the religious leaders said when Jesus Christ walked on the earth. NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT

So if God sends a PROPHET as He said He would, how can you receive him, for your mind is closed and you have your walls up.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm#316031

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But that doesn't answer my question.
What would it take for YOU to believe God sent a prophet to us, in the 20th century?
A real live breathing, flesh and blood man

O.K It was not clear to me that it was this type of prophet you were talking about ,answer NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT.

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Second question, maybe it will help. Who is spoke of in Mal 4?

this is the announcement of the coming of Christ(the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty. )

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Pierre

Yes my brother, Mal 3:2-5 speaks of the Lord Jesus.

Compare what Jesus said here with Mal 3:1.
John the Baptist was Mal 3:1.

What would it take for YOU to believe God sent a prophet to us, in the 20th century?
You said, answer NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT.

Can you hear yourself, that is just exactly what the religious leaders said when Jesus Christ walked on the earth. NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT

So if God sends a PROPHET as He said He would, how can you receive him, for your mind is closed and you have your walls up.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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Can you hear yourself, that is just exactly what the religious leaders said when Jesus Christ walked on the earth. NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT

So if God sends a PROPHET as He said He would, how can you receive him, for your mind is closed and you have your walls up.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

why do you say things like that ;the disciples were waiting for the Messiah because he was foretold that he would come .

and the time was near,at that time ,

but why are you thinking another prophet would be necessary ???to come now ,today

October 13, 2012 at 8:30 pm#316051

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prophet's were called god's, because they had the Spirit of God. This one just happened to be the one and only true GOD in flesh.

Says who, Marlin?

If you agree Jesus is a prophet OF God, what scripture is it that changes all logic and reason, and decides for you that a prophet OF God can be the very God he is the prophet OF?

October 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm#316054

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why do you say things like that ;the disciples were waiting for the Messiah because he was foretold that he would come .

and the time was near,at that time ,

but why are you thinking another prophet would be necessary ???to come now ,today

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Pierre

My Brother are you trying to say that most of the JEWS received Christ?
Even though they were the most religious people in the world and they mostly MISS their Messiah.

Of all the Jews that heard Jesus, only 120 were in the upper room.

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As to your second question, but why are you thinking another prophet would be necessary ???to come now ,today

You believe one thing, I believe something different and so does the next person believe different.
Today most everybody believes something different, do you agree with that?

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Eve only disbelieved one Word of God and all this came about. So to disbelieve one Word today, will cause the same separation from God. Oh, God will still be with those people, Just like He was with Mose's people. Yet they all died in the desert, except two.

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God said He would come. Mal 4:5, Luk 17:30, a son of man shall come.
MAT 17:11 † And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Are you going to say that John the Baptist RESTORED ALL THINGS ?
REV 10:7 † But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This angel messenger will be a prophet.

Does all scripture have to be fulfilled?

How will the church become one with God?
Except by the one and only true Word.
There can not be this persons word and that persons word, there will be one Word and the bride will be in the unity of the FAITH.

I am still waiting for someone to answer, who this Prophet of God that was sent to His people in the 20th century was? ANYONE

God Bless
bro Marlin

October 13, 2012 at 8:51 pm#316058

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why do you say things like that ;the disciples were waiting for the Messiah because he was foretold that he would come .

and the time was near,at that time ,

but why are you thinking another prophet would be necessary ???to come now ,today

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Pierre

My Brother are you trying to say that most of the JEWS received Christ?
Even though they were the most religious people in the world and they mostly MISS their Messiah.

Of all the Jews that heard Jesus, only 120 were in the upper room.

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As to your second question, but why are you thinking another prophet would be necessary ???to come now ,today

You believe one thing, I believe something different and so does the next person believe different.
Today most everybody believes something different, do you agree with that?

I am still waiting for someone to answer, who this Prophet of God that was sent to His people in the 20th century was? ANYONE

God Bless
bro Marlin

the call was to everyone in Israel but only a few accepted the message ,

and revelation does not say Prophet but prophets what is a prophet

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I am still waiting for someone to answer, who this Prophet of God that was sent to His people in the 20th century was? ANYONE

THERE IS NO PROPHET SEND TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD IN THE 20 CENTURY ;THIS IS A FALSE BELIEVE

October 13, 2012 at 8:56 pm#316060

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prophet's were called god's, because they had the Spirit of God. This one just happened to be the one and only true GOD in flesh.

Says who, Marlin?

If you agree Jesus is a prophet OF God, what scripture is it that changes all logic and reason, and decides for you that a prophet OF God can be the very God he is the prophet OF?

Brother Mike,

JOHN 10:34 † Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 † If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 † Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

This one scripture says it all for the spiritual minded.
The prophets whom the Word of God came to were call gods, because they had the Spirit of God in measure.
The Lord Jesus Christ was also a prophet, He was God in flesh for He had the Spirit of God without measure.

COL 2:9 † For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
MAT 28:18 † And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
REV 1:8 † I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

If you have Him, you have God.

God Bless
bro Marlin

October 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm#316061

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God said He would come. Mal 4:5, Luk 17:30, a son of man shall come.
MAT 17:11 † And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Are you going to say that John the Baptist RESTORED ALL THINGS ?
REV 10:7 † But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This angel messenger will be a prophet.

Brother Pierre,

So according to you the above scriptures have been fulfilled.
Please tell how and by whom?

Pierre said,
and revelation does not say Prophet but prophets what is a prophet

And the Word of God comes to whom, the Prophets. And if you would open your spiritual eyes, you would see that this is written to show that this Angel Messenger is a Prophet.

God Bless
bro Marlin

October 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm#316062

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I understand that you don't believe John 1:1 is speaking of God, if I am incorrect in this, please correct me.

That's correct, Marlin. I don't believe that John 1:1, or any scripture for that matter, talks about God being with God. Even the Trinitarian scholars all admit that the word “god” in 1:1c can be translated either as “God”, or “a god”. Context and common sense tells us that God cannot be with God, and so I understand 1:1 the only LOGICAL way it can be understood: The Word was WITH God, and was himself a god (mighty one).

October 13, 2012 at 9:25 pm#316064

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Brother Mike,

God Bless
bro Marlin

I don't disagree that men and angels are called gods in scripture. In fact, as Pierre is my witness, I pull my hair out in other threads trying to convince other people of this SCRIPTURAL FACT.

But my point was why THIS PARTICULAR prophet of God is also the very God he is the prophet OF.

You offered three scriptures as support. I will comment on all three this time, and in the future we can discuss this one scripture at a time, if that's okay with you.

Col 2:9 says all the fullness of DIETY dwells in Jesus. There is no such thing as a “Godhead”. That was a faulty translation by the KJV translators, and none of the more recent TRINITARIAN translations have “Godhead”.

Anyway, it stands to reason that the fullness of God dwells in Jesus, since Jesus was GIVEN by his God the Holy Spirit without measure. He is, after all, the visible image of the invisible God, right? But an image is not the original, Marlin.

Matt 28:18 just confirms what I said above about the Holy Spirit – this AUTHORITY (“power” is another faulty translation of the Greek word used) was GIVEN to Jesus, right? Who is it that GIVES God authority, Marlin?

Jesus told us that our God was also his God. And surely that one God has GIVEN many things to His firstborn Son.

Rev 1:8 is Jehovah talking – not Jesus. The word “Almighty” means the exact same thing as “Most High”. And you can learn in Mark 5:7, Luke 1:32, and Luke 8:28 that Jesus is NOT the Most High (Almighty) – but the Son of that One.

October 13, 2012 at 11:13 pm#316075

Ed J

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I understand that you don't believe John 1:1 is speaking of God, if I am incorrect in this, please correct me.

Hi Mike,

Please explain how a servant is 'a mighty one'?

“But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant,
and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he
humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” (Phil 2:7-8)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 13, 2012 at 11:32 pm#316077

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Brother Mike,

If it were possible to remove the flesh of Jesus when He was on earth, Who would you have left? You would have God, the one and only, not a god, but GOD.

Before you laugh, just think, the fulness of the Godhead, (or deity, no difference) was in Jesus.
So just as I said before, God, the one and only, in Flesh.

The God in Jesus wasn't a god, it was GOD.
II COR 5:19 † To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

We have to be able to separate flesh from spirit.
JOHN 6:63 † It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus was THE PROPHET,(SON of MAN), He had an open vision ministry.
JOHN 5:19 † Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

It was GOD in Jesus the man, reconciling the world unto himself.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm#316107

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Brother Pierre,

So according to you the above scriptures have been fulfilled.
Please tell how and by whom?

Pierre said,
and revelation does not say Prophet but prophets what is a prophet

all Mal;as been fulfilled at the time of Christ ,

Rev 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

John talks that what he sees and hears will be done ALL ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED PREVEOUSLY TO THE PROPHETS

October 14, 2012 at 3:46 pm#316116

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all Mal;as been fulfilled at the time of Christ ,

Rev 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

John talks that what he sees and hears will be done ALL ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED PREVEOUSLY TO THE PROPHETS

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Pierre

Brother Pierre,

I do appreciate you being honest with your answers. We will talk about the two answers that you gave, but before we do.

So according to you John the Baptist RESTORED ALL THINGS
MAT 17:11 † And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Can you not see that Jesus is talking of two comings of the Spirit of Elias on a man?

God bless
bro Marlin

October 14, 2012 at 3:58 pm#316117

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Rev 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

John talks that what he sees and hears will be done ALL ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED PREVEOUSLY TO THE PROPHETS

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Pierre

Brother Pierre, you said,
John talks that what he sees and hears will be done ALL ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED PREVEOUSLY TO THE PROPHETS

This will not hold water according to this scripture.
REV 1:19 † Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

John was to write the things that were, that are, and the things that will come.

The seventh angel's message will come after the other six angel's messages. There were seven church ages and they were not past, but future.

So just like most of the people in Jesus's day, you would missed the movement of God, because of preconceived ideas.

God Bless
bro Marlin

October 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm#316119

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all Malachi been fulfilled at the time of Christ ,

Hi Brother Pierre,

We have one more scripture to talk about.

MAL 4:5 † Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 † And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

What is that great and dreadful day?
MAL 4:1 † For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 † But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 † And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

It has been over 2000 years and the earth hasn't been burnt and the wicked haven't been turned into ashes under your feet.

Also look again at verse 6.
heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers

Can you not see that this is two different turnings of the heart, for two different periods of time.

LUK 1:17 † And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,……

It was said that John would have the spirit of Elias and would turn the hearts of the fathers to the children.

He couldn't have turned the hearts of the children to the fathers. The new church at Pentecost were the children. He would have been turning them back to Moses.

He needed to turn the hearts of those following the Law (fathers) to the new church (children)
So John fulfilled “turning the hearts of the fathers to the children”.

So who was it fulfilled turning the hearts of the children to the fathers?
In this last age, we are the children and we need to be turned back to our Pentecostal fathers. And God said He would send the Spirit of Elias back to us.

I broke this down into smaller pieces, because this is a matter of great importance. I truly pray that this helps.

God Bless you in your search.
bro Marlin

October 14, 2012 at 6:38 pm#316139

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all Mal;as been fulfilled at the time of Christ ,

Rev 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

John talks that what he sees and hears will be done ALL ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED PREVEOUSLY TO THE PROPHETS

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Pierre

Brother Pierre,

I do appreciate you being honest with your answers. We will talk about the two answers that you gave, but before we do.

So according to you John the Baptist RESTORED ALL THINGS
MAT 17:11 † And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Can you not see that Jesus is talking of two comings of the Spirit of Elias on a man?

God bless
bro Marlin

Mt 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
Mt 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”

would you call Christ a liar

OR MAY BE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID ” “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. “

October 14, 2012 at 6:41 pm#316140

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Hi Mike,

Please explain how a servant is 'a mighty one'?

Really Ed?

Was the angel of God who killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night “mighty” from a human point of view?

Was he not also a servant of his God?

October 14, 2012 at 6:45 pm#316141

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Before you laugh, just think, the fulness of the Godhead, (or deity, no difference) was in Jesus.
So just as I said before, God, the one and only, in Flesh.

There is a BIG difference between “God” and “Godhead”, Marlin. Let's just stick with the word “diety” here, since “Godhead” has been proven – by TRINITARIAN SCHOLARS – to be a faulty translation.

Now think out what you yourself just said, Marlin. The very words, “the fulness of God was in Jesus” make it clear that God is one, and Jesus is A DIFFERENT ONE in whom the fulness of God resides.

God was also in Moses doing the signs and wonders before Pharaoh. God was also in Jesus' disciples doing the signs and wonders through them.

I wonder why you never claim that Moses and the disciples were God in the flesh. Similar things are said about all of them, yet it is only Jesus to whom you attribute the quality of BEING the very God who was “in him”. Why is that, Marlin?

October 14, 2012 at 6:52 pm#316142