MIKE, TERRA, ED

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2012,08:32)

Ed,

Here are the two questions I asked you in my last post:

1. There are thousands of them, Ed. Don't you think we would have found at least ONE ms that was older than the 14th century and had those extra words – if the extra words weren't in fact a later addition to the text?

2. Dude, we know of FOUR mss in which those extra words are added in as a marginal note. How do you explain that?

Please answer them.

Hi Mike: Remember the question is “WHEN” was 1John 5:7 first added.

1. Please show the proof of the thousands to which you refer. (1Thess.5:21)

2. Then that would mean you are aware of at least 4 out of the thousands so far.

3. Robert Stephanus (you seem to be implying) purposefully corrupted
the Textus Receptus published in 1550; is this what you are suggesting?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 22, 2012 at 12:03 am#313698

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Ed,

1. There is a link I posted for Devo earlier in this very thread. It tells the number of mss we've uncovered from each century.

2. I want you to EXPLAIN why you think these words would be a MARGINAL NOTE in four mss.

September 22, 2012 at 12:16 am#313701

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2012,11:03)

Ed,

1. There is a link I posted for Devo earlier in this very thread. It tells the number of mss we've uncovered from each century.

2. I want you to EXPLAIN why you think these words would be a MARGINAL NOTE in four mss.

Hi Mike,

1) I Don't know what post you are referring to is?

2) They were probably written as a note in the margin because:
A) They knew they were added – and –
B) They wanted it kept in there, as they must have approved.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm#313829

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2012,11:03)

Ed,

1. There is a link I posted for Devo earlier in this very thread. It tells the number of mss we've uncovered from each century.

2. I want you to EXPLAIN why you think these words would be a MARGINAL NOTE in four mss.

Hi Mike,

1) I Don't know what post you are referring to is?

2) They were probably written as a note in the margin because:
A) They knew they were added – and –
B) They wanted it kept in there, as they must have approved.

1. It's early on in this very thread, Ed. Look for it.

2. What? They knew they were added in? Who told them? How did they know?

Isn't it more likely that those words first came into the Greek texts as a marginal note by one scribe, and then other scribes kept adding them as marginal notes until the one bold scribe decided to alter the inspired word of God and add them into the actual text?

Of course it is.

September 23, 2012 at 10:34 pm#313832

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2012,09:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2012,18:16)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2012,11:03)

Ed,

1. There is a link I posted for Devo earlier in this very thread. It tells the number of mss we've uncovered from each century.

2. I want you to EXPLAIN why you think these words would be a MARGINAL NOTE in four mss.

Hi Mike,

1) I Don't know what post you are referring to is?

2) They were probably written as a note in the margin because:
A) They knew they were added – and –
B) They wanted it kept in there, as they must have approved.

1. It's early on in this very thread, Ed. Look for it.

2. What? They knew they were added in? Who told them? How did they know?

Of course it is.

Hi Mike,

Did you not say the words were written in the margin?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm#313942

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Ed,

There are four mss that have the words as a marginal note. There are five LATER mss that have the words in the actual text.

The earliest ms that has the words in the margin is from the 12th century.

The earliest ms that has the words in the text is from the 14th century.

September 26, 2012 at 6:19 pm#314012

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This has been a very interesting discussion that you have had here. Some seem to believe that the three that agree as one are referring to Jesus Christ. Others believe that God did not protect His Word, with the three are one.

I believe that God is more then able to protect His Word and He has all along. The Word has always been revealed to those that God chooses to reveal it to. That has always been His way and it is the same today.

My take on these two verses is this. In Heaven you have the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and these three are one. This is the same as Mat 28:19 and Acts 2:38. You can not have the Father without the Son, nor can you have the Son without the Holy Ghost. For these three titles are of the self same Spirit, (God)

On earth the water, blood, and Spirit, these three agree as one.
Just as the earth was baptized with water (Flood of Noah), and Jesus had to be baptized in water and every believer is baptized in water.
Many have been led by goats to false baptism in the titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Which In this last day, will not work. There is only one true baptism in water, just as it was always done in the bible.
Then comes the Blood.
The earth got the Blood and we must also get the Blood.
Then comes the Holy Ghost fire and the earth will get the fire also.

Three works of grace, of which you must receive all three.

God Bless
Marlin

September 26, 2012 at 6:31 pm#314013

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As soon as God created his son then all was made through and for him,and the son was obedient to the father

September 27, 2012 at 6:17 am#314032

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 27 2012,05:31)

As soon as God created his son then all was made through and for him,and the son was obedient to the father

Hi Pierre,

Where do you get that the son was created from?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 27, 2012 at 5:34 pm#314109

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Sep. 26 2012,12:19)

I believe that God is more then able to protect His Word and He has all along.

I believe the same thing, Marlin. I believe God has protected, and enabled us to uncover, these long lost, older mss, from which His word can be properly ascertained.

I have confidence that we will uncover yet older mss, which will shine even more light on what was actually written – compared to what certain scribes have altered it to be throughout the years.

In other words, the truth is still out there, maintained by God. And in the process of uncovering this truth, it has been proven that God's written word has been doctored in many places throughout the years, by scribes who were personally motivated.

But the bottom line is that God DID protect the real truth, and we are continually uncovering more of it. The dilemma for certain people is: Do we maintain loyalty to one English translation, such as the KJV? Or do we adjust our beliefs in the light of this newly uncovered evidence that certain parts of the KJV were translated from altered mss?

September 29, 2012 at 9:13 pm#314218

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,11:34)

Quote (Marlin1 @ Sep. 26 2012,12:19)

I believe that God is more then able to protect His Word and He has all along.

I believe the same thing, Marlin. I believe God has protected, and enabled us to uncover, these long lost, older mss, from which His word can be properly ascertained.

I have confidence that we will uncover yet older mss, which will shine even more light on what was actually written – compared to what certain scribes have altered it to be throughout the years.

yeap

October 7, 2012 at 12:58 am#314952

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I believe the same thing, Marlin. I believe God has protected, and enabled us to uncover, these long lost, older mss, from which His word can be properly ascertained.

I have confidence that we will uncover yet older mss, which will shine even more light on what was actually written – compared to what certain scribes have altered it to be throughout the years.

Hi Mike,

Where is it written that we will ever understand the bible from the written Word?

I don't believe it is there.

God provided way has always been the same. Lean not on thy own understanding of scripture is what He says.

And He says I will do nothing until I reveal it to my servant the prophet. Amos 3:7…..

Nothing has changed, His Word is protected today as it has always been, because it has to be revealed.

The Jews new the Word of old, Yet they disagreed on what it said. And that is the same today, we each have our own ideas of God's Word, yet the revealed vindicated truth will always come through God's prophets. And unless we are willing to put aside our own understanding and line up with the Word of God through the prophet, we worship in VAIN.

God Bless
bro. marlin

October 7, 2012 at 5:21 am#315036

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 07 2012,18:58)

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I believe the same thing, Marlin. I believe God has protected, and enabled us to uncover, these long lost, older mss, from which His word can be properly ascertained.

I have confidence that we will uncover yet older mss, which will shine even more light on what was actually written – compared to what certain scribes have altered it to be throughout the years.

Hi Mike,

Where is it written that we will ever understand the bible from the written Word?

I don't believe it is there.

God provided way has always been the same. Lean not on thy own understanding of scripture is what He says.

And He says I will do nothing until I reveal it to my servant the prophet. Amos 3:7…..

Nothing has changed, His Word is protected today as it has always been, because it has to be revealed.

God Bless
bro. marlin

Your last sentence could not find it in scriptures ,help please

October 8, 2012 at 2:08 am#315150

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Amos 3:7

October 8, 2012 at 3:23 am#315156

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 08 2012,20:08)

Amos 3:7

I was more talking about this ;;;we worship in VAIN

October 9, 2012 at 2:06 am#315256

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Mat 15:9, Mar 7,7, I CORINTHIANS 15:2, II CORINTHIANS 6:1

October 9, 2012 at 2:12 am#315258

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 09 2012,20:06)

Mat 15:9, Mar 7,7, I CORINTHIANS 15:2, II CORINTHIANS 6:1

So the prophet you talking about his Christ right

October 9, 2012 at 5:03 am#315282

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 09 2012,13:12)

Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 09 2012,20:06)

Mat 15:9, Mar 7,7, I CORINTHIANS 15:2, II CORINTHIANS 6:1

So the prophet you talking about his Christ right

Hi Pierre,

Did you look at those verses?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 9, 2012 at 11:39 am#315345

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2012,23:03)

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 09 2012,20:06)

Mat 15:9, Mar 7,7, I CORINTHIANS 15:2, II CORINTHIANS 6:1

So the prophet you talking about his Christ right

Hi Pierre,

Did you look at those verses?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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And unless we are willing to put aside our own understanding and line up with the Word of God through the prophet, we worship in VAIN.

this is what M1 says so to this I ask ,you read it and answer.

October 9, 2012 at 1:17 pm#315380