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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,17:11) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,14:50)
you love scriptures providing you can pick and chose ,and interpret them at your will ,
and blame others that they have no understand of them if they do not accept what you feel it should be ,
Hi Pierre,You describe yourself very accurately!
God bless
Ed J
EdjShow me a couple of examples were I do that ,ok
Hi Pierre,John 1:1 and John 1:14 comes to mind.
The last line you wrote should be obvious.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,21:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,17:11) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,14:50)
you love scriptures providing you can pick and chose ,and interpret them at your will ,
and blame others that they have no understand of them if they do not accept what you feel it should be ,
Hi Pierre,You describe yourself very accurately!
God bless
Ed J
EdjShow me a couple of examples were I do that ,ok
Hi Pierre,John 1:1 and John 1:14 comes to mind.
The last line you wrote should be obvious.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is in the message ,sorry if you cannot see it ,
but like you say i could be the blind man ,and so will not try to inform you or bother you with my understanding what to your eyes is wrong any way ,
Sorry to be a bother to your intelligence ,it was not my intention
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,14:56) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,21:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,17:11) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,14:50)
you love scriptures providing you can pick and chose ,and interpret them at your will ,
and blame others that they have no understand of them if they do not accept what you feel it should be ,
Hi Pierre,You describe yourself very accurately!
God bless
Ed J
EdjShow me a couple of examples were I do that ,ok
Hi Pierre,John 1:1 and John 1:14 comes to mind.
The last line you wrote should be obvious.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is in the message ,sorry if you cannot see it ,
but like you say i could be the blind man ,and so will not try to inform you or bother you with my understanding what to your eyes is wrong any way ,
Sorry to be a bother to your intelligence ,it was not my intention
Hi Pierre,Then you make many excuses for the myriad of Scriptures
that do not follow your understanding of those two verses.
Yet they “ALL” line up with the “HolySpirit” being “The Word”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:30) Nick, Can you refute the FACT that spirit messengers of God are typically called “angels” in scripture? YES or NO?
Can you refute the FACT that angels of God are called gods in scripture? YES or NO?
Can you refute the FACT that all who are called gods in scripture, and who are not the Most High God, are lesser gods? YES or NO?
Nick, there is no need for me to read a response from you that includes only smack-talk, right? You either can refute these facts, or you can't.
If you can, then please do so scripturally. If you can't, then there is no need for you to reply to this post at all – except maybe to tell us that you have been in error and have been shown the light.
MIKE (And all).Col 2.18. (YLT)
“Let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and in worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh”.
Commentaries.
Barnes:
“Intruding into those things which he hath not seen – Or inquiring into them. The word used here (e?µßate?´?? embateuo¯n) means to go in, or enter; then to investigate, to inquire. It has not, properly, the meaning of intruding, or of impertinent inquiry (see Passow), and I do not see that the apostle meant to characterize the inquiry here as such. He says that it was the object of their investigations to look, with great professed modesty and reverence, into those things which are not visible to the eye of mortals. The “things” which seem here to be particularly referred to, are the abstruse questions respecting the mode of the divine subsistence; the ranks, orders, and employments of angelic beings; and the obscure doctrines relating to the divine government and plans. These questions comprised most of the subjects of inquiry in the Oriental and Grecian philosophy, and inquiries on these the apostle apprehended would tend to draw away the mind from the “simplicity that is in Christ.” Of these subjects what can be known more than is revealed?
Vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind – Notwithstanding the avowed “humility,” the modesty, the angelic reverence, yet the mind was full of vain conceit, and self-confident, carnal wisdom. The two things are by no means incompatible – the men apparently most meek and modest being sometimes the most bold in their speculations, and the most reckless in regard to the great landmarks of truth”.
Clarkes:
“Hence the whole passage has been paraphrased thus: Let no man spoil you of the prize adjudged to you, who delights in mortifying his body, and walking with the apparent modesty of an angel, affecting superior sanctity in order to gain disciples; intruding into things which he has not seen; and, notwithstanding his apparent humility, his mind is carnal, and he is puffed up with a sense of his superior knowledge and piety”.
Gills:
“Intruding into those things which he hath not seen; thrusting himself in a bold and daring manner into an inquiry and search after, debate upon, and affirmation of things he could have no certain knowledge of; as of angels, whose nature, qualities, works, and ministrations, he had never seen with his bodily eyes; nor could ever discern with the eyes of his understanding any such things in the Scriptures, which he ascribed to them; but they were the birth of his own mind, the fruits of his own fancy and imagination, things devised in his own brain: being vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind; judging of things not according to the word of God, and with a spiritual judgment, and according to a spiritual sense and experience, but according to his own carnal reason, and the vanity of his mind; being puffed and swelled with an high opinion of himself, of his great parts and abilities, of his knowledge of things above others, and of his capacity to penetrate into, and find out things which were not seen and known by others: this shows that his humility was forced, and only in outward appearance, and was not true and genuine”
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 30 2012,00:14) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,14:56) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,21:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,17:11) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,14:50)
you love scriptures providing you can pick and chose ,and interpret them at your will ,
and blame others that they have no understand of them if they do not accept what you feel it should be ,
Hi Pierre,You describe yourself very accurately!
God bless
Ed J
EdjShow me a couple of examples were I do that ,ok
Hi Pierre,John 1:1 and John 1:14 comes to mind.
The last line you wrote should be obvious.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is in the message ,sorry if you cannot see it ,
but like you say i could be the blind man ,and so will not try to inform you or bother you with my understanding what to your eyes is wrong any way ,
Sorry to be a bother to your intelligence ,it was not my intention
Hi Pierre,Then you make many excuses for the myriad of Scriptures
that do not follow your understanding of those two verses.
Yet they “ALL” line up with the “HolySpirit” being “The Word”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,14:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,21:44) Hi MB,
I love scripture and would like to see scriptural knowledge expanded by the tools scripture gave us.
Why waste on speculative stuff?
Nyou love scriptures providing you can pick and chose ,
and interpret them at your will ,
and blame others that they have no understand of them if they do not accept what you feel it should be ,
Hi T,
You ACCUSE Jesus and us.
What inspires your attacks?Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 29 2012,03:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:30) Nick, Can you refute the FACT that spirit messengers of God are typically called “angels” in scripture? YES or NO?
Can you refute the FACT that angels of God are called gods in scripture? YES or NO?
Can you refute the FACT that all who are called gods in scripture, and who are not the Most High God, are lesser gods? YES or NO?
MIKE (And all).Col 2.18. (YLT)
“Let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and in worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh”.
Hi Shimmer,I don't understand. Do you think this scripture is refuting any of the three points I made to Nick? If so, please explain how.
Hi MB
101.Luke 7:27
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luke 9:52
And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
Corinthians 8:23
Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of ChristHere are three of the 106 times angels are not messengers in the bible.
Do these support your speculation?Nick,
Both David and I have explained this to you already. Our words are in this very thread, would you care to read them.
But once again, the Hebrew word “mal'ak” and the Greek word “aggelos” mean “messenger”.
When context dictates it is a human messenger described, then English translators render the word as “messenger”. But when it is certain from the context that the passage describes a spirit messenger of God, English translators render the words as “angel”.
In English, an angel is a SPIRIT messenger of God.
Now, which one of my three points are not written in scripture?
Hi MB,
So scripture has never stated that Jesus is an angel or Michael or that Jesus was a god.
No witnesses.Now you want context to save your speculation?
Weak and shallow.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,19:28) Hi MB,
So scripture has never stated that Jesus is an angel ………or that Jesus was a god.
You are in error on both counts, Nick.Galatians 4:14
………you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.The only way that emphatic statement works is if the person listed is one of the group listed. For example:
You welcomed me as if I were a race car driver, as if I were Richard Petty himself. This sentence works, because Richard Petty WAS a race car driver.
On the other hand:
You welcomed me as if I were a race car driver, as if I were Michael Jackson himself. This sentence does not work, because there is no link between Michael Jackson and race car driving.It is clear to me that Gal 4:14 lists Jesus among the group called “angels”. But since you already know that spirit messengers of God are called angels all throughout scripture, and you know that the spirit being Jesus delivered God's revelation to John, then you should be able to add 1+1, Nick.
As for “god”………..
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.This speaks of Jesus, and how he would be called a god. He later was called a god in the NT – multiple times.
Hi MB,
Galatians 4:14
………you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.You do not realise this speaks of two different things?
Your imagination makes one mean the other?The Word was God
I have already, Nick. And it appears that nothing has changed: you remain a complete and utter waste of the time I spend organizing posts to you.
Go talk to someone else, for I'm through with you and your nonsense.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2012,12:50) Hi MB,
Galatians 4:14
………you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.You do not realise this speaks of two different things?
Your imagination makes one mean the other?The Word was God
Hey Nick,That's the same thing that Jammin has done with 1John 5:20. (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
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