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Well, I guess I don't understand the wording, “The LORD is Himself according to His divinity”. What does that even mean?
Anyway, the word translated as “LORD”, as you know, is Jehovah. The scripture says that Jesus will rule in the strength of Jehovah, his God. Not his own strength.
Kathi, have you forgotten how to just read scripture and take it for what it says? You keep looking up these men's writings, and applying their flawed understanding in an effort to make what the scripture plainly says mean something else.
goodnight,
mikeMike,
The scripture does not say “not in His own strength” does it Mike.
Jesus is Lord as in Jehovah.
I am learning a great deal from Godly men's understanding. The Spirit has led many people that have paved the way before us and has gifted them with the gifts of teaching. What good would it be to give the gift of teaching to men or women if there was no one willing to learn from them? The church of God has many members and some even though they are gone from this earth, their words live on in their writings. God's gift of teachers should not be despised, tested, but not despised.
Goodnight!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2010,15:11) Well, I guess I don't understand the wording, “The LORD is Himself according to His divinity”. What does that even mean? Anyway, the word translated as “LORD”, as you know, is Jehovah. The scripture says that Jesus will rule in the strength of Jehovah, his God. Not his own strength.
Kathi, have you forgotten how to just read scripture and take it for what it says? You keep looking up these men's writings, and applying their flawed understanding in an effort to make what the scripture plainly says mean something else.
goodnight,
mike
Hi Mike,There are many who mis-understand what Matt.18:16 really means!
Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word “[ [ [ may ] ] ] be established”.This does NOT mean that if you don't believe me
I will go and get Bob and Pete and they will tell you
the same thing, so you better believe what I tell you!
This is a common fallacy, believed by many BABY Christians.What Matt.18:16 really means is: when someone hears “Bible Truth” spoken by more than one,
but using different words, the truth hits home in the ears of the hearer, helping to establish truth for them!
That is also what 1Cor.14:24 means…1Corinthians 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that
believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike,
You realize that before the Son became man, He did not act according to His humanity but only according to His divinity? After He became man, He had both natures and said things and acted sometimes according to His divine nature and sometimes according to His human nature. In Micah 5, He is going to shepherd His flock according to His divine nature, and that is what I believe it means when the passage says that He will shepherd His flock in the strength of who He is as the Lord AND in the majesty of the name of the Lord, His God, the Father.Do you think that before He came as a man He had little strength or the strength of a divine being?
Kathi,
I'm done with the games for a while. You are sounding like Gene explaining John 17:5: “Jesus was saying he wanted the glory that God had foreordained for him. The glory that had just been sitting around in heaven waiting for him ever since he was a thought in God's head before the creation of the world.”
This is exactly how I used YOU as an example to Gene, because I know you can see the nonsense that Gene is saying from the outside looking in……..but he apparently thinks it makes perfect sense and thinks that's exactly what the scripture teaches. In the same way, he can see your twisting of scriptural meanings.
You are taking the words of Jehovah, our ONLY GOD, about His “shepherd” and implying Jesus himself is saying these words. But that's not what is happening in Micah 5:4. Jesus doesn't speak, only Jehovah. And Jehovah says his shepherd will rule in HIS strength and in HIS name. Then He goes on to CLEARLY say He is the God of this future shepherd.
Get it? Jesus will rule with Jehovah's strength. He will rule in the majesty of the name of Jehovah, not “Jesus”.
But let's move on to Ez, okay?
Ezekiel 34:24 NIV
I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken.Is this clear enough Kathi………….and SF, if he ever shows up.
Jehovah will be their ONLY God. But Jesus will be “prince among them”. Do you see the contrast between them? Only ONE of them is “their God”.
peace and love,
mikeMike,
We know what ALL the kings will do to Messiah, the Prince if we read this:Psalms 72:1 O God, give thy judgment to the king, and thy righteousness to the king’s son; 2 that he may judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
3 Let the mountains and the hills raise peace to thy people: 4 he shall judge the poor of the people in righteousness, and save the children of the needy; and shall bring low the false accuser. 5 And he shall continue as long as the sun, and before the moon for ever. 6 He shall come down as rain upon a fleece; and as drops falling upon the earth. 7 In his days shall righteousness spring up; and abundance of peace till the moon be removed. 8 And he shall have dominion from sea to sea, and from the river to the ends of the earth. 9 The Ethiopians shall fall down before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. 10 The kings of Tharsis, and the isles, shall bring presents: the kings of the Arabians and Saba shall offer gifts. 11 And all kings shall worship him; all the Gentiles shall serve him. 12 For he has delivered the poor from the oppressor; and the needy who had no helper. 13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall deliver the souls of the needy. 14 He shall redeem their souls from usury and injustice: and their name shall be precious before him. 15 And he shall live, and there shall be given him of the gold of Arabia: and men shall pray for him continually; and all the day shall they praise him. 16 There shall be an establishment on the earth on the tops of the mountains: the fruit thereof shall be exalted above Libanus, and they of the city shall flourish as grass of the earth.
17 Let his name be blessed for ever: his name shall endure longer than the sun: and all the tribes of the earth shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
18 Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, who alone does wonders. 19 And blessed is his glorious name for ever, even for ever and ever: and all the earth shall be filled with his glory. So be it, so be it. 20 The hymns of David the son of Jessae are ended.
The Prince among them will be worshiped and served by all the kings and Gentiles. It is God's plan!
Don't take away from God's word.
No Kathi,
The NIV has it right in this case:
11 All kings will bow down to him
and all nations will serve him.In fact, all major translations render it as “bowed”. (NET, NIV, NASB, NLT, BBE, NRSV, KJV, NKJV. The NWT has “prostrate themselves”.)
Did you forget that “proskuneo” CAN mean “worship”, but can also just mean “bowed down”?
Now, how about a SCRIPTURAL answer to my last post about Micah and my first one about Ezekiel?
peace and love,
mike……..and by “SCRIPTURAL”, I mean, “Do these two scriptures themselves depict Jesus as someone OTHER THAN and LESSOR TO God?”
mike
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 25 2010,08:58) Mike,
I think that the trouble you are having is in understanding that the Son humbled Himself to the Father and took on the form of a servant.Phil 2:7
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
NASUSo, was He always a bond-servant of God's or did He take the form of a bond-servant? He wasn't emptied before He emptied Himself.
Being a son of God, Jesus Christ could have chosen the appropriate privileges that being a son in a household allows. Especially the first born son.Jesus Christ, rather than coasting on the privileges of a son, chose to take on the role of a servant to God.
This is very logical seeing that God is spirit, and eternal, but Jesus Christ was born.
God is God, but Jesus Christ is a man. Jesus Christ chose the role of an obedient servant to God, rather than ride on God's coattails.
Solomon was in a similar position. God asked Solomon what he wanted. Solomon asked for wisdom and understanding to lead God's people, not riches or honor.
God looked on the heart of Solomon and gave him wisdom and understanding, but gave honors and riches also.
Jesus Christ could have asked for the status commensurate to his standing as the son of God. It is evident by the lifestyle he chose that he humbled himself to be a servant to God.
Likewise, God blessed his life by exalting him. Philippians 2
barley
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