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Ezekiel 12:21-28 (New King James Version)
21 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 22 “Son of man, what is this proverb that you people have about the land of Israel, which says, ‘The days are prolonged, and every vision fails’? 23 Tell them therefore, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will lay this proverb to rest, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel.” But say to them, “The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision. 24 For no more shall there be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. 25 For I am the LORD. I speak, and the word which I speak will come to pass; it will no more be postponed; for in your days, O rebellious house, I will say the word and perform it,” says the Lord GOD.’”
26 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27 “Son of man, look, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many days from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’ 28 Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “None of My words will be postponed any more, but the word which I speak will be done,” says the Lord GOD.’”To All,
Some of the ladies in this forum are sinning the sin that Israel sinned in Ezekiel's time. They are saying that the prophecies of Ezekiel are to be fulfilled in our future. This is exactly what Israel did and God came to Ezekiel with a word to correct this.*Israel said that the days are “prolonged.” But God said the days are “at hand.”
*Israel said that the fulfillment is “far off”. But God said that it would come to pass “in your days.”
God said that the fulfillment of EVERY VISION is “at hand.”
One woman here puts the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37 in our future at the resurrection. But God said that the fulfillment of EVERY vision is “at hand.” The vision of the dry bones was not talking about the resurrection but about the restoration of Israel. This was fulfilled. God said the fulfillmment of EVERY vision was “at hand.”
Another lady says that “shortly” does not mean shortly. She too is sinning Israel's sin. God forbade them from postponing the fulfillment of the visions. God said that it is not “far off” as Israel and the two ladies have said. God said to Israel “in YOUR DAYS” He would bring it to pass.
Take heed that we do not mess with God's timetable as Israel and some ladies in this forum.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2009,07:32) Hi TT,
So the prophecies after Ez 12 were already fulfilled ?
Nick,
That's what God said to Ezekiel. God said that “The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of EVERY VISION.” God was explicitly talking about the land promises (vs. 22).Btw,
I meant to post this in Bible Prophecy. Can it be moved?thinker
Hi T,
So the visions that were yet to be seen were included?
If 1 day is as 1000 years to God how can you know His timetable again?thethinker,
I believe that your taking that wayyyy too literal, what I believe He was saying is the God had delayed His judgment within their lifetimes as the Lord is gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. The people of the time took the compassioned delays as approval and presumed on His mercy. That is when I believe God said “No more! Everything I've said for this generation is going to happen as soon as I speak it and there will be no more delays”.But to say that includes everything given by Ezekiel came to pass in that generation even the one obviously addressed to future generations is not much different then that generations position.Second issue is why do you only point at the “ladies”?
My opinion – Wm
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2009,11:12) Hi T,
So the visions that were yet to be seen were included?
If 1 day is as 1000 years to God how can you know His timetable again?
Nonsense!thinker
Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 17 2009,13:29) thethinker,
I believe that your taking that wayyyy too literal, what I believe He was saying is the God had delayed His judgment within their lifetimes as the Lord is gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. The people of the time took the compassioned delays as approval and presumed on His mercy. That is when I believe God said “No more! Everything I've said for this generation is going to happen as soon as I speak it and there will be no more delays”.But to say that includes everything given by Ezekiel came to pass in that generation even the one obviously addressed to future generations is not much different then that generations position.Second issue is why do you only point at the “ladies”?
My opinion – Wm
wm,
You said that God said that He was delaying His judgment. But God was not talking about judgment but about their restoration to the land (vs. 22).Israel was saying that the land promise would be delayed. So God told Ezekiel to put that thinking to rest and tell them that the fulfillment of EVERY vision is “at hand.” Then you come and say it is delayed. And Nick says that “at hand” means a thousand years. I don't believe this!
God told Ezekiel to tell them that their children and their grandchildren woud be restored to the land:
Quote 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, to the age; and My servant David shall be their prince to the age (Ez. 37:21-25)How can you say it was delayed and Nick say that it was a thousand years off when God said that their children and their grandchildren would live in the land?
thinker
Huh…”they” = the generation of that future time, not Ezekiel's time. Otherwise why did they endure a second dispersal, and where was David.
So if all visions are to come to pass as soon as given, why didn't Jesus come as soon as Daniel, Issiah, or one of the other prophetic writers had their visions? John had a vision of the judgment of all mankind, guess I missed it.
My opinion – Wm
On another thread Nick said:
Quote Surely you should submit reason and let God rule? Kerwin replied:
Quote Are you accusing God of being irrational? Irrational people have an irrational God. To irrational people when God says “at hand” it means a thousand years.
thinker
Seekingthetruth said:
Quote Huh…”they” = the generation of that future time, not Ezekiel's time. Otherwise why did they endure a second dispersal, and where was David.
No. The “they” were Ezekiel's contemporaries. In verse 18 God said,“And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, ‘Will you not show us what you mean by these?’, say to THEM….” God said that when the people spoke TO EZEKIEL he was to reply to THEM….
Seekingthetruth said:
Quote So if all visions are to come to pass as soon as given, why didn't Jesus come as soon as Daniel, Issiah, or one of the other prophetic writers had their visions? John had a vision of the judgment of all mankind, guess I missed it. The text does not say that all visions are to be fulfilled as soon as given. God said “in your days” and to “your children and your children's children.” So the fulfillment of the visions was not to be “postponed” to future generations but was to begin in their days and continue after that. Old testament sacrifices were being offered during this time (chap 43). Sacrifices have ceased which means that the fulfillment is in the past.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 17 2009,06:23) Ezekiel 12:21-28 (New King James Version) 21 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 22 “Son of man, what is this proverb that you people have about the land of Israel, which says, ‘The days are prolonged, and every vision fails’? 23 Tell them therefore, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will lay this proverb to rest, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel.” But say to them, “The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision. 24 For no more shall there be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. 25 For I am the LORD. I speak, and the word which I speak will come to pass; it will no more be postponed; for in your days, O rebellious house, I will say the word and perform it,” says the Lord GOD.’”
26 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27 “Son of man, look, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many days from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’ 28 Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “None of My words will be postponed any more, but the word which I speak will be done,” says the Lord GOD.’”To All,
Some of the ladies in this forum are sinning the sin that Israel sinned in Ezekiel's time. They are saying that the prophecies of Ezekiel are to be fulfilled in our future. This is exactly what Israel did and God came to Ezekiel with a word to correct this.*Israel said that the days are “prolonged.” But God said the days are “at hand.”
*Israel said that the fulfillment is “far off”. But God said that it would come to pass “in your days.”
God said that the fulfillment of EVERY VISION is “at hand.”
One woman here puts the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37 in our future at the resurrection. But God said that the fulfillment of EVERY vision is “at hand.” The vision of the dry bones was not talking about the resurrection but about the restoration of Israel. This was fulfilled. God said the fulfillmment of EVERY vision was “at hand.”
Another lady says that “shortly” does not mean shortly. She too is sinning Israel's sin. God forbade them from postponing the fulfillment of the visions. God said that it is not “far off” as Israel and the two ladies have said. God said to Israel “in YOUR DAYS” He would bring it to pass.
Take heed that we do not mess with God's timetable as Israel and some ladies in this forum.
thinker
Hi thethinker:God was speaking of the visions pertaining to the Babylonian captivity in Ezekiel 12, but there are other visions in Ezekiel which have not been fulfilled.
Quote Eze 12:13 My net also will I spread upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare: and I will bring him to Babylon [to] the land of the Chaldeans; yet shall he not see it, though he shall die there. Eze 12:14 And I will scatter toward every wind all that [are] about him to help him, and all his bands; and I will draw out the sword after them.
Eze 12:15 And they shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.
The following verses of scripture have not been fulfilled because God is saying that he will bring Judah and Israel into unity and that David will be their king. Obviously, this is speaking about Jesus. Is David going to be resurrected?
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 ¶ A
Marty said:
Quote God was speaking of the visions pertaining to the Babylonian captivity in Ezekiel 12, but there are other visions in Ezekiel which have not been fulfilled. Marty,
If you are correct that the prophecies in Ezekiel 37 are yet to be fulfilled then you must accept the conclusion that the old covenant sacrificial system will be re-instituted,Quote
18 And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord GOD: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord GOD. 20 ‘You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it. 21 Then you shall also take the bull of the sin offering, and burn it in the appointed place of the temple, outside the sanctuary. 22 On the second day you shall offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they cleansed it with the bull. 23 When you have finished cleansing it, you shall offer a young bull without blemish, and a ram from the flock without blemish. 24 When you offer them before the LORD, the priests shall throw salt on them, and they will offer them up as a burnt offering to the LORD. 25 Every day for seven days you shall prepare a goat for a sin offering; they shall also prepare a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without blemish. 26 Seven days they shall make atonement for the altar and purify it, and so consecrate it. 27 When these days are over it shall be, on the eighth day and thereafter, that the priests shall offer your burnt offerings and your peace offerings on the altar; and I will accept you,’ says the Lord GOD.” (43:18-27)God said that these sacrifices would be for “atonement (vss. 20, 26).” Are you prepared to accept that animal sacrifices will come back? You need to look at chapter 37 more carefully. It clearly says that the prophecies would be fulfilled to their “children and their children's children.” It was the children and grandchildren of EZEKIEL'S CONTEMPORARIES that would see the fulfillment.
This was fulfilled BEFORE Christ's first coming when the old testament sacrificial system was still in effect.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 18 2009,10:44) Marty said: Quote God was speaking of the visions pertaining to the Babylonian captivity in Ezekiel 12, but there are other visions in Ezekiel which have not been fulfilled. Marty,
If you are correct that the prophecies in Ezekiel 37 are yet to be fulfilled then you must accept the conclusion that the old covenant sacrificial system will be re-instituted,Quote
18 And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord GOD: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord GOD. 20 ‘You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it. 21 Then you shall also take the bull of the sin offering, and burn it in the appointed place of the temple, outside the sanctuary. 22 On the second day you shall offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they cleansed it with the bull. 23 When you have finished cleansing it, you shall offer a young bull without blemish, and a ram from the flock without blemish. 24 When you offer them before the LORD, the priests shall throw salt on them, and they will offer them up as a burnt offering to the LORD. 25 Every day for seven days you shall prepare a goat for a sin offering; they shall also prepare a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without blemish. 26 Seven days they shall make atonement for the altar and purify it, and so consecrate it. 27 When these days are over it shall be, on the eighth day and thereafter, that the priests shall offer your burnt offerings and your peace offerings on the altar; and I will accept you,’ says the Lord GOD.” (43:18-27)God said that these sacrifices would be for “atonement (vss. 20, 26).” Are you prepared to accept that animal sacrifices will come back? You need to look at chapter 37 more carefully. It clearly says that the prophecies would be fulfilled to their “children and their children's children.” It was the children and grandchildren of EZEKIEL'S CONTEMPORARIES that would see the fulfillment.
This was fulfilled BEFORE Christ's first coming when the old testament sacrificial system was still in effect.
thinker
Hi thethinker:Yes, animal sacrifice will be practiced again after the temple is rebuilt by those Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
The scriptures speak the following nations, Persia, Lybia, and Ethiopia, and others with them coming against Israel. God will intervene at some point against these nations and after that there will be a 7 year peace treaty during which time the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifice will be reinstituted by the Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, but in the midst of this seven year period, the Anti-Christ will stop them from offering these animal sacrifices, and 1290 days later he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, this is know as the abomination of desolation. This will be the onset of the great tribulation. The church will be here about 45 days of this period of tribulation and then will be raptured out. Every one else that is alive will have worshipped the Anti-Christ, and will be judged by the seven last plagues.
Quote Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.Quote Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Love in Christ,
MartyMarty said:
Quote Yes, animal sacrifice will be practiced again after the temple is rebuilt by those Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. ANATHEMA! You have proved my case. The temple was rebuilt. It was the same temple that was destroyed in ad70. You neither know the scriptures or history.
thinker
Marty said:
Quote Yes, animal sacrifice will be practiced again after the temple is rebuilt by those Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. TO ALL:
Marty's statement above is an example of what errors may come as the result of messing with God's timetable.
It's shame.
thinker
Ezek 39:27-29 “When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations.” 28 “Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.” 29 “I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.”
I have yet to see this occur!
TT can you explain HOW you believe it has already taken place?
Thinker You have so many of us showing you Scriptures and yet, you insist on that God has done away with the nation Israel, Not only that you accuse the Ladies, which I am among them of, and we are sinning. Let me tell you dude you are also sinning and if you say you are not, the truth is not in you. So take that to the bank. You ignore Romans were it says that God will graft Israel back in. Marty and Jodi have given you also scriptures which you ignore,
I have never ever heard your theology before and probable never again,
IreneQuote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 19 2009,06:54) Ezek 39:27-29 “When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations.” 28 “Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.” 29 “I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.” I have yet to see this occur!
TT can you explain HOW you believe it has already taken place?
Jodi Lee,
Ezekiel's temple was rebuilt by Ezekiel's contemporaries. Ezekiel received the instructions on the dimensions of it and was told to tell HIS CONTEMPORAIRES to build it (Chaps 40-42). It was then remodeled by Herod. It was the temple that was standing in Jesus' day. It was destroyed in ad70 (Unger's Bible Dictionary, p. 1080).You say that you have yet to see God manifest Himself to many nations. You haven't seen it because you were not supposed to see it. The children and grand children of Ezekiel's contemporaries were supposed to see it (37:25).
God said that the fulfillment of every vision was at “hand”
Ezekiel 12:21-28 (New King James Version)
Quote 21 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 22 “Son of man, what is this proverb that you people have about the land of Israel, which says, ‘The days are prolonged, and every vision fails’? 23 Tell them therefore, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will lay this proverb to rest, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel.” But say to them, “The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision. 24 For no more shall there be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. 25 For I am the LORD. I speak, and the word which I speak will come to pass; it will no more be postponed; for IN YOUR DAYS, O rebellious house, I will say the word and perform it,” says the Lord GOD.’”
26 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27 “Son of man, look, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many days from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’ 28 Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “None of My words will be postponed any more, but the word which I speak will be done,” says the Lord GOD.’”This is clear! When we mess with God's timetable we end up teaching stuff Like Marty who said that animal sacrifices will be re-instituted. ANATHEMA! The Levitical priesthood has been done away once and for all!
thinker
Hi thethinker:
Jews that don't believe that jesus is the Messiah don't know that the Levitical priesthood has been done away with.
And there are Jews in Israel who are planning to rebuild the temple even as I speak. The have already made some of the temple fixtures.
The temple was rebuilt when the Jews came back from the Babylonian captivity, but it is not the temple that is shown in Ezekiel (Ch 40-42).
I am not messing with God's timetable. I am simply trying to teach you the Word of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyThinker……….In revelation it describes the throne of GOD and there are Four Creatures with three sets of wings, on each. the First had a face of an OX, the Standard of Ephraim , the second a face of a man Man, the standard of Ruben, the third the face of a Lion, the standard of Judah, the fourth a Eagle, the standard of Dan,, Now go look up Num 2:2-34…> see how the 12 Tribes of Israel were arranged in the wilderness, and the three wings represented the three tribes connected with them, in each quadrant, For instance Ephraim the Ox, had Manasseh and Benjamin. In revelations you see three sets of wings in each quadrant these three set of wings are full of eyes (the Spirits of GOD) .
There are 144 thousand of the twelve tribes of Israel that will go with the Lamb where ever He goes. So don't count off Israel Yet thinker nor what has to be fulfilled in the future. Also we have scripture that says any nation the will not come up to Jerusalem and Keep the Feast of tabernacles year to year, that nation will not recieve any rain. Its in Zec 14:16-17. God will in the future gather all Israel where ever He has scattered them and bring the back and plant them in their own land as scripture says. IMO
peace and love……………………gene
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