Melchizedek: is it an office or a person

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  • #291739
    Ed J
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    “And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram
    and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech.
    And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had
    brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God.” (Jasher 16:11-12)

    “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the
    most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God,
    possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath de-
    livered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.” (Gen.14:18-20)

    #291740
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    Scripture says he was a MAN
    Heb 7

    #291784
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,13:08)
    Hi Ed,
    Scripture says he was a MAN
    Heb 7


    Hi Nick,

    Do you agree that “Shem” was a man?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #291791
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    Yes

    #292073
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,13:05)
    “And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram
    and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech.
    And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had
    brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God.” (Jasher 16:11-12)

    “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the
    most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God,
    possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath de-
    livered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.” (Gen.14:18-20)


    Hi Nick,

    Do you agree that “Shem” was Melchizedek?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292101
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    Do you have any witnesses?

    How long did Shem live?

    Long enough to see Abram?

    #292134
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,10:15)
    Hi ED,
    Do you have any witnesses?

    How long did Shem live?

    Long enough to see Abram?


    Hi Nick,

    Those are all VERY Good questions, the video series in the link
    goes into great depth; please do watch it. (first Post re-posted)

    Melchizedek means King of Righteousness.
    [מלך] Mĕh-lĕk means King and [צדיק] tzĕdĕk means righteous.

    Pastor Charles Jennings (Click Here) presents the idea that “Melchizedek” is an office
    rather than a specific person, that is of course until Jesus; now it's office doesn't transfer anymore!
    Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest  forever  after the order of Melchizedek.

    Our story begins in Gen.14:18, where Melchizedek is first mentioned.
    According to “the book of Jasher” (mentioned in The Bible in Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18),
    The office of Melchizedek was held by “Shem”. Here are Biblical references: Gen.9:26-27 And he said,
    Blessed be The LORD GOD of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth,
    and HE shall dwell in the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Melchizedek is (according to Charles Jennings) an office of “King/Priest” held by Shem.
    Without knowing specifically who this office was passed from person to person down to,
    we see the Melchizedek office well documented in King “David” later transferred to Jesus.

    More Biblical referencing (Matt.12:3-5 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did,
    when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God,
    and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him,
    but only for the priests?  Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the
    temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?) King David did these things, yet still remained blameless.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292138
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick, Theomatics is the second witness!

    Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
    rather than just merely a person.
    Jesus Christ fills this office.


                           
    “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
        “Tents of Shem” equal 144

    Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
    the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.


                           
                              The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )          

    The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
    an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

    Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and
    no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four(144) thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


                                   
                                  Here's where it starts to get interesting

    Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
    an hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000) of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    an hundred and forty and four thousandequals 373 (which is the 74th Prime number)


                           
                         Here's where it starts to get's even more interesting

    JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
    This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
    Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.


                                                 
                            The significance of the number 74

    In English, the significant number 74 is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
    in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.

    “Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
    [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
    [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

    And even GEMATRIA equals 74.


            (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)                                   

    Your friend!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292176
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    THEOMETRICS is a doubtful witness.
    Both cabbage and Moses could possibly have the same numerics.

    #292420
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Ed:

    No, not Melchizedek is not Shem or God would have told us that he was.

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    Gen 11:10 ¶ These [are] the generations of Shem: Shem [was] an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

    Gen 11:11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

    This means that Shem lived 502 years after the flood.

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    Gen 11:12 ¶ And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

    Gen 11:13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

    That means that Arphaxad was 438 years old when he died. Shem lived 62 years longer than Arphaxad.

    Arphaxad was thirty five years old when he had Salah. And,

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    Gen 11:14 ¶ And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

    Gen 11:15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

    Gen 11:16 ¶ And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

    35 years + 30 + 403 = 468 502-468 = 44 Shem still alive.

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    Gen 11:17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.

    Gen 11:18 ¶ And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

    35 +30 + 34 + 430 = 529 Shem would have been dead at this point, and Abraham was not born yet.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #292422
    Spock
    Participant

    Machiventia Melchizedek was was an incarnate Son of God under the authority of Christ Michael. It was Melchizedek who was the visible representative of God, he made the covenant with Abram. Some 1500 years later when the Hebrews were rewriting the OT books in Babylon, they didn't believe in the Melchizedek story but he was to important to eradicate altogether. So they had God himself coming down and wondering about, making the covenant directly with Abram.

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    Colter

    #292454
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Colter,

    So you believe Melchizedek was a Theophany then?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292468
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,17:07)
    Hi Colter,

    So you believe Melchizedek was a Theophany then?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    In effect, yes. But the same would have been true of Lucifer, Satan and “The Prince of this world” up until they rebelled against the rule of the Father. All these beings were of relative divinity far above that of mortals.

    Melchizedek founded a missionary school in what was then Salem. From there evangelist of the truth of the One God went out to the earth carrying the message that then influenced and birthed many religions.

    Melchizedek was on the earth for 90 years then departed.

    AFTER MELCHIZEDEK'S DEPARTURE

    93:9.1 It was a great trial for Abraham when Melchizedek so suddenly disappeared. Although he had fully warned his followers that he must sometime go as he had come, they were not reconciled to the loss of their wonderful leader. The great organization built up at Salem nearly disappeared, though the traditions of these days were what Moses built upon when he led the Hebrew slaves out of Egypt.

    93:9.2 The loss of Melchizedek produced a sadness in the heart of Abraham that he never fully overcame. Hebron he had abandoned when he gave up the ambition of building a material kingdom; and now, upon the loss of his associate in the building of the spiritual kingdom, he departed from Salem, going south to live near his interests at Gerar.

    93:9.3 Abraham became fearful and timid immediately after the disappearance of Melchizedek. He withheld his identity upon arrival at Gerar, so that Abimelech appropriated his wife. (Shortly after his marriage to Sarah, Abraham one night had overheard a plot to murder him in order to get his brilliant wife. This dread became a terror to the otherwise brave and daring leader; all his life he feared that someone would kill him secretly in order to get Sarah. And this explains why, on three separate occasions, this brave man exhibited real cowardice.)

    93:9.4 But Abraham was not long to be deterred in his mission as the successor of Melchizedek. Soon he made converts among the Philistines and of Abimelech's people, made a treaty with them, and, in turn, became contaminated with many of their superstitions, particularly with their practice of sacrificing first-born sons. Thus did Abraham again become a great leader in Palestine. He was held in reverence by all groups and honored by all kings. He was the spiritual leader of all the surrounding tribes, and his influence continued for some time after his death. During the closing years of his life he once more returned to Hebron, the scene of his earlier activities and the place where he had worked in association with Melchizedek. Abraham's last act was to send trusty servants to the city of his brother, Nahor, on the border of Mesopotamia, to secure a woman of his own people as a wife for his son Isaac. It had long been the custom of Abraham's people to marry their cousins. And Abraham died confident in that faith in God which he had learned from Melchizedek in the vanished schools of Salem.

    93:9.5 It was hard for the next generation to comprehend the story of Melchizedek; within five hundred years many regarded the whole narrative as a myth. Isaac held fairly well to the teachings of his father and nourished the gospel of the Salem colony, but it was harder for Jacob to grasp the significance of these traditions. Joseph was a firm believer in Melchizedek and was, largely because of this, regarded by his brothers as a dreamer. Joseph's honor in Egypt was chiefly due to the memory of his great-grandfather Abraham. Joseph was offered military command of the Egyptian armies, but being such a firm believer in the traditions of Melchizedek and the later teachings of Abraham and Isaac, he elected to serve as a civil administrator, believing that he could thus better labor for the advancement of the kingdom of heaven.

    93:9.6 The teaching of Melchizedek was full and replete, but the records of these days seemed impossible and fantastic to the later Hebrew priests, although many had some understanding of these transactions, at least up to the times of the en masse editing of the Old Testament records in Babylon.

    93:9.7 What the Old Testament records describe as conversations between Abraham and God were in reality conferences between Abraham and Melchizedek. Later scribes regarded the term Melchizedek as synonymous with God. The record of so many contacts of Abraham and Sarah with “the angel of the Lord” refers to their numerous visits with Melchizedek.

    93:9.8 The Hebrew narratives of Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph are far more reliable than those about Abraham, although they also contain many diversions from the facts, alterations made intentionally and unintentionally at the time of the compilation of these records by the Hebrew priests during the Babylonian captivity. Keturah was not a wife of Abraham; like Hagar, she was merely a concubine. All of Abraham's property went to Isaac, the son of Sarah, the status wife. Abraham was not so old as the records indicate, and his wife was much younger. These ages were deliberately altered in order to provide for the subsequent alleged miraculous birth of Isaac.

    93:9.9 The national ego of the Jews was tremendously depressed by the Babylonian captivity. In their reaction against national inferiority they swung to the other extreme of national and racial egotism, in which they distorted and perverted their traditions with the view of exalting themselves above all races as the chosen people of God; and hence they carefully edited all their records for the purpose of raising Abraham and their other national leaders high up above all other persons, not excepting Melchizedek himself. The Hebrew scribes therefore destroyed every record of these momentous times which they could find, preserving only the narrative of the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek after the battle of Siddim, which they deemed reflected great honor upon Abraham.

    93:9.10 And thus, in losing sight of Melchizedek, they also lost sight of the teaching of this emergency Son regarding the spiritual mission of the promised bestowal Son; lost sight of the nature of this mission so fully and completely that very few of their progeny were able or willing to recognize and receive Michael when he appeared on earth and in the flesh as Machiventa had foretold.

    93:9.11 But one of the writers of the Book of Hebrews understood the mission of Melchizedek, for it is written: “This Melchizedek, priest of the Most High, was also king of peace; without father, without mother, without pedigree, having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made like a Son of God, he abides a priest continually.” This writer designated Melchizedek as a type of the later bestowal of Michael, affirming that Jesus was “a minister forever on the order of Melchizedek.” While this comparison was not altogether fortunate, it was literally true that Christ did receive provisional title to Urantia “upon the orders of the twelve Melchizedek receivers” on duty at the time of his world bestowal.

    Colter

    #292751
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Colter

    It this stuff quoted from the “Book of Urantia”

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292779
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,17:30)
    Hi Colter

    It this stuff quoted from the “Book of Urantia”

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Yes, The Urantia Book is the latest revelation of truth to our world. There will be more in the future.

    Colter

    #292784
    terraricca
    Participant

    col

    it funny ,trough out the ages many group have claimed a extra knowledge of understanding from other source than scriptures and believing more in those records than in scriptures ,by doing so they have served Satan desire to lock out the spreading of the words of God to all men,

    what is amazing is that they try to convince others of their own heresy , and corruption,by so denying God's only son and the grace that came with is sacrifice ,

    Antichrists in deed they are

    #292788
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,04:13)
    col

    it funny ,trough out the ages many group have claimed a extra knowledge of understanding from other source than scriptures and believing more in those records than in scriptures ,by doing so they have served Satan desire to lock out the spreading of the words of God to all men,

    what is amazing is that they try to convince others of their own heresy , and corruption,by so denying God's only son and the grace that came with is sacrifice ,

    Antichrists in deed they are


    That’s the same thing they said about Jesus and the prophets before him.

    All revelations and the prophets who promote them have been persecuted by religious authorities and their rabid followers. They killed the prophets who “claimed extra knowledge of understanding”.

    You are only reinforcing that had you lived in the day of Jesus then you likely would have rejected him as well.

    Continue to do what they tell you to do, keep thinking what they tell you to think. I'm free, thank God I'm free!

    Colter

    #292789
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ April 17 2012,12:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,04:13)
    col

    it funny ,trough out the ages many group have claimed a extra knowledge of understanding from other source than scriptures and believing more in those records than in scriptures ,by doing so they have served Satan desire to lock out the spreading of the words of God to all men,

    what is amazing is that they try to convince others of their own heresy , and corruption,by so denying God's only son and the grace that came with is sacrifice ,

    Antichrists in deed they are


    That’s the same thing they said about Jesus and the prophets before him.

    All revelations and the prophets who promote them have been persecuted by religious authorities and their rabid followers. They killed the prophets who “claimed extra knowledge of understanding”.

    You are only reinforcing that had you lived in the day of Jesus then you likely would have rejected him as well.

    Continue to do what they tell you to do, keep thinking what they tell you to think. I'm free, thank God I'm free!

    Colter


    :D :D :D :D col :D :D

    you think you are free ??? free of what ???

    you sound like a men who is so deep inside the prison that he can not even see the sky, and thinks he his a free man ,

    freedom in the eyes of the be holder is not freedom in Christ ,

    #292792
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,05:17)

    Quote (Colter @ April 17 2012,12:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,04:13)
    col

    it funny ,trough out the ages many group have claimed a extra knowledge of understanding from other source than scriptures and believing more in those records than in scriptures ,by doing so they have served Satan desire to lock out the spreading of the words of God to all men,

    what is amazing is that they try to convince others of their own heresy , and corruption,by so denying God's only son and the grace that came with is sacrifice ,

    Antichrists in deed they are


    That’s the same thing they said about Jesus and the prophets before him.

    All revelations and the prophets who promote them have been persecuted by religious authorities and their rabid followers. They killed the prophets who “claimed extra knowledge of understanding”.

    You are only reinforcing that had you lived in the day of Jesus then you likely would have rejected him as well.

    Continue to do what they tell you to do, keep thinking what they tell you to think. I'm free, thank God I'm free!

    Colter


    :D  :D  :D  :D col  :D  :D

    you think you are free ??? free of what ???

    you sound like a men who is so deep inside the prison that he can not even see the sky, and thinks he his a free man ,

    freedom in the eyes of the be holder is not freedom in Christ ,


    Free from the yoke of religious bondage.

    THE SECOND DISCOURSE ON RELIGION

    155:6.1 “And so, while they paused in the shade of the hillside, Jesus continued to teach them regarding the religion of the spirit, in substance saying:

    155:6.2 You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.

    155:6.3 I have called upon you to be born again, to be born of the spirit. I have called you out of the darkness of authority and the lethargy of tradition into the transcendent light of the realization of the possibility of making for yourselves the greatest discovery possible for the human soul to make—the supernal experience of finding God for yourself, in yourself, and of yourself, and of doing all this as a fact in your own personal experience. And so may you pass from death to life, from the authority of tradition to the experience of knowing God; thus will you pass from darkness to light, from a racial faith inherited to a personal faith achieved by actual experience; and thereby will you progress from a theology of mind handed down by your ancestors to a true religion of spirit which shall be built up in your souls as an eternal endowment.

    155:6.4 Your religion shall change from the mere intellectual belief in traditional authority to the actual experience of that living faith which is able to grasp the reality of God and all that relates to the divine spirit of the Father. The religion of the mind ties you hopelessly to the past; the religion of the spirit consists in progressive revelation and ever beckons you on toward higher and holier achievements in spiritual ideals and eternal realities.

    155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge—perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?

    155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, “He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God.” was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.

    155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?

    155:6.8 Every race of mankind has its own mental outlook upon human existence; therefore must the religion of the mind ever run true to these various racial viewpoints. Never can the religions of authority come to unification. Human unity and mortal brotherhood can be achieved only by and through the superendowment of the religion of the spirit. Racial minds may differ, but all mankind is indwelt by the same divine and eternal spirit. The hope
    of human brotherhood can only be realized when, and as, the divergent mind religions of authority become impregnated with, and overshadowed by, the unifying and ennobling religion of the spirit—the religion of personal spiritual experience.

    155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience—uniformity of destiny—making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.

    155:6.10 But watch, lest any of you look with disdain upon the children of Abraham because they have fallen on these evil days of traditional barrenness. Our forefathers gave themselves up to the persistent and passionate search for God, and they found him as no other whole race of men have ever known him since the times of Adam, who knew much of this as he was himself a Son of God. My Father has not failed to mark the long and untiring struggle of Israel, ever since the days of Moses, to find God and to know God. For weary generations the Jews have not ceased to toil, sweat, groan, travail, and endure the sufferings and experience the sorrows of a misunderstood and despised people, all in order that they might come a little nearer the discovery of the truth about God. And, notwithstanding all the failures and falterings of Israel, our fathers progressively, from Moses to the times of Amos and Hosea, did reveal increasingly to the whole world an ever clearer and more truthful picture of the eternal God. And so was the way prepared for the still greater revelation of the Father which you have been called to share.

    155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness— justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of idealistic beauty.

    155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Divine truth must not be discounted because the channel of its bestowal is apparently human. Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.

    155:6.13 When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men’s souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such eternal realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.

    155:6.14 But do not make the mistake of trying to prove to other men that you have found God; you cannot consciously produce such valid proof, albeit there are two positive and powerful demonstrations of the fact that you are God-knowing, and they are:

    1. The fruits of the spirit of God showing forth in your daily routine life.

    2. The fact that your entire life plan furnishes positive proof that you have unreservedly risked everything you are and have on the adventure of survival after death in the pursuit of the hope of finding the God of eternity, whose presence you have foretasted in time.

    155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. And with those honest but fearful souls whose faith is so weak that it amounts to little more than an intellectual conformity to a passive attitude of assent to religions of authority, the Father is ever alert to honor and foster even all such feeble attempts to reach out for him. But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.

    155:6.18 You are my apostles, and to you religion shall not become a theologic shelter to which you may flee in fear of facing the rugged realities of spiritual progress and idealistic adventure; but rather shall your religion become the fact of real experience which testifies that God has found you, idealized, ennobled, and spiritualized you, and that you have enlisted in the eternal adventure of finding the God who has thus found and sonshipped you.

    155:6.19 And when Jesus had finished speaking, he beckoned to Andrew and, pointing to the west toward Phoenicia, said: “Let us be on our way.” UB1955

    Colter

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    NickHassan
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    Hi Colter,
    Claiming special new knowledge defines gnosticism does it not?

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