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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2010,10:22) WJ………..If you understood what SPIRIT really is , it would save a lot of confusion, there are many Spirits (intellects) that is all that Spirit is, there is a Spirit (intellect) of Man, there is a Spirit (intellect) of GOD, there is a Unclean spirit (intellect) and a clean spirit (intellect) and on and on it goes, There is the the HOLY Spirit (Holy INTELLECT) of GOD. Spirit has not a (Singular) but a (Plural) form of meaning. It is the (intellect) directing the MIND, “LET THIS (MIND) BE (IN) YOU THAT WAS IN (CHRIST) JESUS OUR Lord”. and again “IF THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST JESUS BE (IN) YOU, (IT) SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODY”. WJ think about it> peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
GeneI have thought about it and heard your view many times which is not even shared by most Anti-Trinitarians.
A thought or an intelllect cannot quicken someones mortal body and surely cannot raise someone from the dead.
Just go out there and see if you can raise someone from the dead by a thought or an intellect as you put it.
Foolishness!
WJ
WJ,
Have you not had a good day. Your spirit is all shot.
Remember that I am typing through a little window of five lines by fortyeight characters… What do I do with a two hundred line thesis interspersed with implausible nonesense.
And don't get into a hyperbolic strop with me. You are well aware that it is your own deceit that causing your downfall. I AM YOU…
Speak Truth and you will get Truth answers…speak twisted words, deliberately worded to mislead and you will be admonished by me, by the Holy Spirit working through me.
Do you believe that I am unaware of your deceit…foowey, WJ, they are as clear as daylight.
You once enjoyed toying with others and tried it with me …ha ha…WJ, did I not say that it was you that taught me to laugh? Yes, You.
When I joined this forum I had a notion you were an intelligent, but deluded, poster.
Since then your intelligence level has been falling as you struggle to maintaun the unmaintainable.This has lead you to distortions in your posts, more deliberate each time as you realise that you are being found out…
for instance, seeking for someone to 'prove a negative'. One cannot prove a negative, it can only be conjectured. So what desperation leads you to use such underhanded methods. The answer is clear.
Another: Changing the focus to a particular word or alternate meaning with the sole intent of distracting your adversary. Many don't realise what you did and are quite rightly flummoxed how their, seemingly, well crafted question has been so easily overturned, and not only that but and offence has been launched back, against them!
Ha, WJ, don't be so clever. Just be honest. And if you can't be honest, just don't respond…better to snook off in shame than to write deceitful responses.WJ,
Post truthfully, according to your honest belief. If you are wrong, then so be it. But to delve into delvery…that is not a decent way to behave.
Are you seeking truth? Ditch the Bish…come out of her!
Quote (JustAskin @ May 29 2010,10:31) WJ, Have you not had a good day. Your spirit is all shot.
Remember that I am typing through a little window of five lines by fortyeight characters… What do I do with a two hundred line thesis interspersed with implausible nonesense.
JA. My day is fine, it's just that I have come to the place where I will not engage your foolish mind games any more. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.I just tell you whats on my heart and you didn't disappoint me at all, you reponded once again like I expected, more patronizing and ad hominems.
I realize now it is part of you and you can't help it. It is probably because of some hurt or insecurity in you life I suppose. But I refuse to have part of your foolish games.
My post was as long as it took to respond to your points. Thats the way it is sometimes.
But anyway continue on with your bully attitude and say and believe what you want!
WJ
WJ,
What are you stressing over…did I not answer you.
I have always said, and scriptures also says, 'For the Spirit searches the deep things of God'.
There are no issues here.
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God…
The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit of the Father. God is the Father, the Father is God, the Spirit of the Father is that Spirit called 'Holy'.
And…Jesus has his own spirit. You asked me that before and you got my answer,'how many spirits do we havein us?' you teased, not having read your scriptures properly… Yes, Scriptures shows that the Spirit of Christ, not the same as the Holy Spirit, is also in us.
The Holy Spirit of God, the Father;
The Spirit of Christ;
The spirit of (the) man.Yes, WJ, if you WERE to say what you say you might say, then, yes, it would be Me, JA.
And so, likewise, with God.
Therefore that removes one of your Trinity Gods.
By your own words, the Spirit of God is God's personal Spirit force, just as man has his Spirit force and Jesus has his.Else, God is God, the Spirit is God, Jesus is God and Jesus' Spirit must also therefore be God.
So You do not have a Trinity for there are FOUR.Yes WJ,
Yourself exposed. Did I not say, 'what you do to me is what you do to yourself' do you not understand that?
Speak truth and all will be well with you.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2010,14:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2010,22:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2010,02:59) Hi All Mike says….
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) He said the Father is the only true God.
But then he says…Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) He wasn't implying that Satan wasn't real. He knows that Satan is a true god.
Is anyone confused yet? Is this pure double talk? Yep.Am I missing something or does the word “Only” mean anything to Mike?
But now the worst part is he is calling satan a “true god” but then again says…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) But the Father is the only true God. Not Jesus.
So let me see if I understand, satan is a “true god” but not Jesus!But Mike will say Jesus is “a true god” but he is not his true god!
WJ
You ask if I know what the word “only” means.Do you? Paul says, “for us there is but [ONLY] one God, the Father”.
Is the Father your ONLY God, Keith?
You used to be better than this. You are turning into a Jack Jr, IMO.
peace and love,
mike
MikeAnd you are starting to be an “ad hominem” expert!
Yes, the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit is my “One true God!
There is One God, One Spirit, and three persons Jack.
That is the only way to reconcile all scriptural data!
You have the conundrum of having more than one god because The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not “One” to you!
You are living in confusion Jack!
WJ
Keith,You keep calling Mike by my name. What's up with this?
Jack
Quote (JustAskin @ May 30 2010,02:59) Yes WJ, Yourself exposed. Did I not say, 'what you do to me is what you do to yourself' do you not understand that?
Speak truth and all will be well with you.
JA,Stick to fishin. That seems to be all you know.
Kangaroo Jack
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2010,14:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2010,21:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2010,02:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) He knows that Satan is a true god. And he wasn't implying that he is not real. He is the second mightiest being in existance, so he qualifies as a real god.
Hi allNow Mike says that satan is not just the god of this world but he is also a “true god” and “a mighty god”! I thought “Mighty God” was a title given to Jesus?
But pay close attention to Mike’s words for it gets even worse; Mike says above that satan is….
THE SECOND MIGHTIEST BEING IN EXISTANCE, SO HE QUALIFIES AS A REAL GOD.
*THIS IS ANATHEMA!!!*
HMMM! I wonder if mike really thinks that satan is sitting at the Fathers right hand instead of Jesus!
And what about the Arch-Angels of God like Michael and Gabriel, according to Mike satan is greater than they!
This is one reason why I think Jack wanted to puke over what Mike believes!
WJ
Hi WJ,Jesus is the second mightiest being in existance. Not Satan. Read it (and next time try to post it) in context, please.
peace and love,
mike
What?Here is the context…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) It's similar with Jesus. He said the Father is greater. He said the Father is the only true God. He wasn't implying that Satan wasn't real. He knows that Satan is a true god. And he wasn't implying that he is not real. He is the second mightiest being in existance, so he qualifies as a real god. But the Father is the only true God. Not Jesus. Not the Holy Spirit. Not some mixture of three. But the Father. Paul says the same thing. Only the Father is our God. Maybe you were half asleep or tired when you wrote this but it seems clear to me!
WJ
Keith,You got him brother! Mike CLEARLY said that satan is a true god and Jesus is not. But Mike is backing down from it now because his anti-trin colleagues ain't buying it like he thought they would.
It's a good thing for Mike that all blasphemy against the Son is forgiven.
Jack
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 29 2010,11:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2010,14:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2010,22:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 29 2010,02:59) Hi All Mike says….
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) He said the Father is the only true God.
But then he says…Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) He wasn't implying that Satan wasn't real. He knows that Satan is a true god.
Is anyone confused yet? Is this pure double talk? Yep.Am I missing something or does the word “Only” mean anything to Mike?
But now the worst part is he is calling satan a “true god” but then again says…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2010,23:39) But the Father is the only true God. Not Jesus.
So let me see if I understand, satan is a “true god” but not Jesus!But Mike will say Jesus is “a true god” but he is not his true god!
WJ
You ask if I know what the word “only” means.Do you? Paul says, “for us there is but [ONLY] one God, the Father”.
Is the Father your ONLY God, Keith?
You used to be better than this. You are turning into a Jack Jr, IMO.
peace and love,
mike
MikeAnd you are starting to be an “ad hominem” expert!
Yes, the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit is my “One true God!
There is One God, One Spirit, and three persons Mike.
That is the only way to reconcile all scriptural data!
You have the conundrum of having more than one god because The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not “One” to you!
You are living in confusion Mike!
WJ
Keith,You keep calling Mike by my name. What's up with this?
Jack
Sorry Jack!I think it must be like “hey jack whats up” even if their name is not Jack!
Ill edit the post! Sorry!
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ May 29 2010,10:31) WJ, Have you not had a good day. Your spirit is all shot.
Remember that I am typing through a little window of five lines by fortyeight characters… What do I do with a two hundred line thesis interspersed with implausible nonesense.
And don't get into a hyperbolic strop with me. You are well aware that it is your own deceit that causing your downfall. I AM YOU…
Speak Truth and you will get Truth answers…speak twisted words, deliberately worded to mislead and you will be admonished by me, by the Holy Spirit working through me.
Do you believe that I am unaware of your deceit…foowey, WJ, they are as clear as daylight.
You once enjoyed toying with others and tried it with me …ha ha…WJ, did I not say that it was you that taught me to laugh? Yes, You.
When I joined this forum I had a notion you were an intelligent, but deluded, poster.
Since then your intelligence level has been falling as you struggle to maintaun the unmaintainable.This has lead you to distortions in your posts, more deliberate each time as you realise that you are being found out…
for instance, seeking for someone to 'prove a negative'. One cannot prove a negative, it can only be conjectured. So what desperation leads you to use such underhanded methods. The answer is clear.
Another: Changing the focus to a particular word or alternate meaning with the sole intent of distracting your adversary. Many don't realise what you did and are quite rightly flummoxed how their, seemingly, well crafted question has been so easily overturned, and not only that but and offence has been launched back, against them!
Ha, WJ, don't be so clever. Just be honest. And if you can't be honest, just don't respond…better to snook off in shame than to write deceitful responses.WJ,
Post truthfully, according to your honest belief. If you are wrong, then so be it. But to delve into delvery…that is not a decent way to behave.
Are you seeking truth? Ditch the Bish…come out of her!
Patronizing and ad hominems!Quote (JustAskin @ May 29 2010,10:56) WJ, What are you stressing over…did I not answer you.
I have always said, and scriptures also says, 'For the Spirit searches the deep things of God'.
There are no issues here.
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God…
The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit of the Father. God is the Father, the Father is God, the Spirit of the Father is that Spirit called 'Holy'.
And…Jesus has his own spirit. You asked me that before and you got my answer,'how many spirits do we havein us?' you teased, not having read your scriptures properly… Yes, Scriptures shows that the Spirit of Christ, not the same as the Holy Spirit, is also in us.
The Holy Spirit of God, the Father;
The Spirit of Christ;
The spirit of (the) man.Yes, WJ, if you WERE to say what you say you might say, then, yes, it would be Me, JA.
And so, likewise, with God.
Therefore that removes one of your Trinity Gods.
By your own words, the Spirit of God is God's personal Spirit force, just as man has his Spirit force and Jesus has his.Else, God is God, the Spirit is God, Jesus is God and Jesus' Spirit must also therefore be God.
So You do not have a Trinity for there are FOUR.
Hi AllThe Bible clearly says there is “One Spirit” not two, three or four! 1 Cor 12:13 – Eph 2:18 – Eph 4:4.
The Apostle Paul uses the terms Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of his Son, the Spirit, Holy Spirit, interchangeably.
Therfore it is reasonable to deduce that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are “One God” who lives in us as “One Spirit”!
Matt 28:19
WJ
WJ said:
Quote Sorry Jack! I think it must be like “hey jack whats up” even if their name is not Jack!
Ill edit the post! Sorry!
WJ
Cool! The top post on page 35 too
Jack
Gene,
The 'man of Sin', or 'man of lawlessness', is the 'Holy'? ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
The maintainer of the Trinity doctrine.Paul says that 'the mystery of the lawnessness is already at work.
The Trinity was already in formation but was restrained by the Arian belief.
When that was taken away by the Abomination that was the Roman Empire, Trinitarianism flourished.
The rest of 2 Th 2, expands on it's growth, blossoming and demise.
If particular interest is verse 11:
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie”.JA……..EXACTLY, and (THE) LIE is that JESUS is A GOD. AS GOD Is GOD or Homonusious is the term used by Constantine in 325 AD at the Nicean council.
If you get a chance to look this up in a GREEK Linear translation, where it say that Jessu would destory this lie at his return, the word destory was originally (Abolish) there is a difference you see you can destory a person but a LIE You Abolish or do away with it. Just interesting note. When Man turned the (IMAGE) of Jesus into a GOD this is when they Created (THE MAN OF SIN) WHICH IS A (LIE) ABOUT JESUS HIMSELF.
And it is interesting that because they did not love the truth GOD sent unto them a deluding Spirit (INTELLECT) and this is still in effect to this very day and will continue until Jesus returns a (ABOLISHES) this (LIE). To even begin to come to see the truth you must understand JESUS is NOT GOD. Jesus Himself said “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. The amazing thing to me is how they simply do not understand all the scriptures that plainly show this.
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Gene said:
Quote JA……..EXACTLY, and (THE) LIE is that JESUS is A GOD. Gene,
Then Mikeboll is the liar. He says that Jesus is “a god”. WJ and I say He is God.
Kangaroo Jack
Those that God desires to destroy, first he turns them mad.
WJ, your posts get madder each time you post.
Noone said … Ever … that there was more than one spirit.
This is an example of your snakelike twisting.
You asked how many Spirits 'we' have in 'us'.
My response is Three: The Holy Spirit, Jesus' Spirit, and our own spirit.
You response is:
designed to distract
and refract
a perceived attack
but, in fact,
you lack
even the knack,
both you and Jack,
to properly hack
Your posts from aback
and spew the same kack
which proves you just a quack
derserving the Sack. Mack!KJ,WJ,
When you read that your belief is the abomination spoken of in the Scriptures, do you not feel a little queasy?
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