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Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,12:16) WJ said to Mike: Quote Your doubt of Matt 28:19 which is unambiguous is proof to me that no matter what, your doctrine is more important than the written word in the Bible. Even the JWs admit it is scripture! You can't claim you believe in the authenticity of the Bible which contains the scriptures if you doubt them. That is why you doubt scriptures that say Jesus is God.
Keith,The fact that Mike denies the authenticity of scripture proves that you have backed him into a wall. Once a man runs out of arguments then the denial of scripture is all he has left. You have done a masterful job my friend.
Jack
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,18:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,11:45) Your doubt of Matt 28:19 which is unambiguous is proof to me that no matter what, your doctrine is more important than the written word in the Bible. Even the JWs admit it is scripture!
Keith, 28:19 doesn't affect “my doctrine” in the least. What 28:19 does is make me wonder why no Apostle did what Jesus clearly commanded them to do. And if it doesn't make YOU wonder, then it is YOU who holds his doctrine a little too close to his heart.
MikeYes I hold the scriptures close to my heart and apparently closer than you.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,18:32) Here's what you have on your side of this:
1. There has yet to be found (at least admittedly) a ms that doesn't say, “the Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.2. The scripture, as is, could be understood to be talking about ONE NAME that encompasses all three.
Boom! Checkmate!There is no greater evidence than over 5000 MSS having the scripture Matthew 28:19 in its tripart form.
What makes this even more iron clad is that there is not a single MSS that has the verse in a different format or that it is missing
So all your comparisons and arguments and spin against that fact is just smoke in the wind. Give it up Mike!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,12:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,19:07) Btw, I was expecting an apology for accusing me of leaving that part out when I didn't.
You are not getting an appology Mike because you have left out part of it several times you quoted it and you misrepresent the Trinitarian.Here is the entire quote again…
The most probable opinion, however, seems to be that the terms “in the name of Jesus”, “in the name of Christ”, either refer to baptism in the faith taught by Christ, or are employed to distinguish Christian baptism from that of John the Precursor. It seems altogether unlikely that immediately after Christ had solemnly promulgated the trinitarian formula of baptism, the Apostles themselves would have substituted another. IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT. For, when some Christians at Ephesus declared that they had never heard of the Holy Ghost, the Apostle asks: “In whom then were you baptized?” This text certainly seems to declare that St. Paul took it for granted that the Ephesians must have heard the name of the Holy Ghost when the sacramental formula of baptism was pronounced over them.
Do you see it Mike. The source is looking at it from the perspective of the Apostles and says… IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT. (They did not do differently than Jesus words in Matt 28:19)
So the writer above is in no way telling you he is in doubt of Matthew 28:19 because he says that they did obey the commission in the tripart name. He also says “This text certainly seems to declare that St. Paul took it for granted that the Ephesians must have heard the name of the Holy Ghost when the sacramental formula of baptism was pronounced over them
If he is a Trinitarian why would he reject Jesus words or doubt them in Matt 28:19? If he is a Trinitarian and has doubt he would doubt the way the Apostes baptised since we see that some baptised in the name of Jesus and some didn't.
The point is he didn't have doubt about Jesus words or the Apostles and the context brings that out.
WJ
Keith,Are you daft? Not only did YOU post this before, but I answered to it. I DID POST THAT PART WHEN I ORIGINALLY POSTED IT!
Not only that, but I showed you what Acts 19 REALLY SAYS! THEY use it as an “explanation”, but the fact is, that after hearing they had not only not received the Holy Spirit, but hadn't even heard of it, Paul re-baptized them IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AFTER WHICH THE DID RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
So you are blatantly wrong on both counts here Keith. First, you implied dishonesty on my part for leaving something out of my quote, WHICH I DIDN'T LEAVE OUT. And second, you act as if their “explanation” of Acts 19 proves Paul baptized in the “triune name”, as you call it. But instead of proving THAT, it is another scripture that shows an Apostle baptizing in the name of JESUS CHRIST, and those baptized receiving the Holy Spirit as a result.
So you DO owe me an apology. But you go ahead and be petty. You are becoming more and more like Jack every day.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,18:32) Even the trinitarian scholars “WONDER” about it. But not Keith.
You say “Trinitarian scholars”?Where are they Mike?
WJ
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2011,14:01) WJ 88 pages at my speed you may have your answer right after you retire or i have passed away
You crack me up, Pierre! 
Keith believes the “triune name” to be “JESUS CHRIST”.
Yep, that's right.
I couldn't make this stuff up! Keith believes the name of our God, the Father to be:
Jesus, the Anointed One of God.
He is too much, eh?
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,16:57) If Jesus is God and the scriptures say he is, then Yes the name of Jesus is shared as the name of God with the Holy Spirit.
Address the “CHRIST” part, Keith.Many times, “Jesus CHRIST” was the name baptized in.
Do you think the God who ANOINTED Jesus would have a name that means “Anointed of God”?
How far will you go?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,18:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,12:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,19:07) Btw, I was expecting an apology for accusing me of leaving that part out when I didn't.
You are not getting an appology Mike because you have left out part of it several times you quoted it and you misrepresent the Trinitarian.Here is the entire quote again…
The most probable opinion, however, seems to be that the terms “in the name of Jesus”, “in the name of Christ”, either refer to baptism in the faith taught by Christ, or are employed to distinguish Christian baptism from that of John the Precursor. It seems altogether unlikely that immediately after Christ had solemnly promulgated the trinitarian formula of baptism, the Apostles themselves would have substituted another. IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT. For, when some Christians at Ephesus declared that they had never heard of the Holy Ghost, the Apostle asks: “In whom then were you baptized?” This text certainly seems to declare that St. Paul took it for granted that the Ephesians must have heard the name of the Holy Ghost when the sacramental formula of baptism was pronounced over them.
Do you see it Mike. The source is looking at it from the perspective of the Apostles and says… IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT. (They did not do differently than Jesus words in Matt 28:19)
So the writer above is in no way telling you he is in doubt of Matthew 28:19 because he says that they did obey the commission in the tripart name. He also says “This text certainly seems to declare that St. Paul took it for granted that the Ephesians must have heard the name of the Holy Ghost when the sacramental formula of baptism was pronounced over them
If he is a Trinitarian why would he reject Jesus words or doubt them in Matt 28:19? If he is a Trinitarian and has doubt he would doubt the way the Apostes baptised since we see that some baptised in the name of Jesus and some didn't.
The point is he didn't have doubt about Jesus words or the Apostles and the context brings that out.
WJ
Keith,So you are blatantly wrong on both counts here Keith.
MikeIt seems altogether unlikely that immediately after Christ had solemnly promulgated the trinitarian formula of baptism, the Apostles themselves would have substituted another. IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT.
What part of this quote do you not understand?
It doesn't matter what your conclusions are on the verses.
What matters is he is not saying that he doubts Matt 28:19 or the Apostles.
WJ
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2011,17:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,17:24) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2011,18:13) WJ were are my answers ??
Pierre
I didn't think you would be honest enough to back up your promise to answer my question when I answered yours.Don't worry about it because you fall in the “unbeliever of all scripture in the Bible group” anyway. No matter what I say you will just deny the scriptures if it disagrees with your theology.
WJ
WJ 
He's ashamed to tell you his answer, Pierre.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,17:58) Mike It seems altogether unlikely that immediately after Christ had solemnly promulgated the trinitarian formula of baptism, the Apostles themselves would have substituted another. IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT.
What part of this quote do you not understand?
It doesn't matter what your conclusions are on the verses.
What matters is he is not saying that he doubts Matt 28:19 or the Apostles.
Keith, what name does Paul end up baptizing in in Acts 19?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,10:02) Ed No the spin is you. Are there not Three mentioned in Mattew 28:19 with the definite article?
WJ
Hi WJ,I explained it twice so far, shall I go for three?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2011,08:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,15:26) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,16:15) Quote Why are the scriptures replete with examples of the Holy Spirit being “another” and not the Father or the Son? This is a 'SPUN' question! The error is in your question, not any answer you might expect to here!
EdNo it isn't. You haven't explained Jesus words. The three are distinct persons as the definite article and singular name proves.
Why has Jesus mentioned the Three and not just the two if the Holy Spirit is the Father?
WJ
WJbut i have answered you in my respond ;
last segment means “and the holy spirit”
Pierre
Hi WJ,I didn't know Pierre was my ventriloquist?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 11 2011,18:21) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2011,08:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,15:26) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,16:15) Quote Why are the scriptures replete with examples of the Holy Spirit being “another” and not the Father or the Son? This is a 'SPUN' question! The error is in your question, not any answer you might expect to here!
EdNo it isn't. You haven't explained Jesus words. The three are distinct persons as the definite article and singular name proves.
Why has Jesus mentioned the Three and not just the two if the Holy Spirit is the Father?
WJ
WJbut i have answered you in my respond ;
last segment means “and the holy spirit”
Pierre
Hi WJ,I didn't know Pierre was my ventriloquist?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edj Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,17:26) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2011,18:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,17:02) Ed No the spin is you. Are there not Three mentioned in Mattew 28:19 with the definite article?
WJ
WJyes but one is a thing not a person
Pierre
Prove it using scripture!WJ
WJI show you the scriptures and you say you do not care,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2011,19:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,17:26) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2011,18:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,17:02) Ed No the spin is you. Are there not Three mentioned in Mattew 28:19 with the definite article?
WJ
WJyes but one is a thing not a person
Pierre
Prove it using scripture!WJ
WJI show you the scriptures and you say you do not care,
Pierre
WJhere again, and Mat 28;19 could only be “with ” or IN “the holy spirit.
WJ
is it this your respond;that the holy spirit is also Christ (on first page)in reference to Mat 28;18 ??
Paul establish her that there is no greater authority then God ,and all have to submit to it;and so does Christ wen he turn himself to God after all is completed what was ask of him;
Ro 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Ro 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.so as i say before scriptures says to be baptized in Jesus name,so this one is no contest,in the name of the father here i will not contest it is clear that the father was the name in witch Jesus was preaching,
now the problem lays with the last one of verse Mat 28;19 the holy spirit;
1)is the holy spirit Jesus ,does Jesus claim to be the holy spirit ;NO
2)is the holy spirit a person ?.NO because it can be a thing spread around ,lift up things move individuals,teach,make you remind things,give power to some,make you talk in different languages,protect you from snake bides,power to remove demon,ect.
3)so as the holy spirit be anything else than the holy spirit ? NO4) why is it called holy ?
5) why is a spirit ? and wich spirit is it ?
6) to whom does that spirit belong?so if you want to make the trinity stand on Mat;28 ;19 last segment and only that segment ,Please answer all the questions.
with scriptures if possible.Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
Ac 6:8 Now Stephen, a man full of God’s grace and power, did great wonders and miraculous signs among the people.
Ac 8:10 and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is the divine power known as the Great Power.”
Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.Ro 1:4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro 15:19 by the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit. So from Jerusalem all the way around to Illyricum, I have fully proclaimed the gospel of Christ.
Eph 3:16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,
Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
1Th 1:5 because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake.2Ti 1:7 For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.
2Ti 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
1Pe 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God.
Rev 11:17 saying:
“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.those are a few of my scriptures to back up my toughts.
Pierre
there is more if you ask.
WJ
just in case;
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Ac 1:2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.
Ac 1:5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
Ac 1:16 and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus—
Ac 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
Ac 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Ac 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people!
Ac 4:25 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:
“ ‘Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
Ac 4:31 After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
Ac 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
Ac 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”
Ac 6:5 This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.
Ac 7:51 “You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
Ac 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Ac 8:15 When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
Ac 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
Ac 8:17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Ac 8:19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Ac 9:31 Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.
Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Ac 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
Ac 10:45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
Ac 10:47 “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
Ac 11:15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Ac 11:16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
Ac 11:24 He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number of people were brought to the Lord.
Ac 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”Ac 13:4 The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit, went down to Seleucia and sailed from there to Cyprus.
Ac 13:9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said,
Ac 13:52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:Ac 16:6 Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia.
Ac 19:2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
Ac 19:6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
Ac 20:23 I only know that in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me.Pierre
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,10:03) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,18:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,09:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,16:57) You 'clipped' my answer… and then insinuate I didn't answer this question.
EdI am shortening the post like t8 said and I didn't take you out of context.
WJ
Hi WJ,I didn't accuse you of any wrong doing?… more 'spin' huh?
Bye ED
Hi WJ,You can run, but you can't hide!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2011,10:38) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,12:10) Mike said: Quote We know God's Son's name is Jesus.
Yeap! The name “Jesus” means “YHWH saves.”“For you shall call His name 'Jesus' for HE shall save HIS people from their sins.”
KJ
Really Jack? And what does that prove? Should I post the list of all the people mentioned in the Bible that had some form of YHWH in their names?mike
You have already listed them a thousand times and I have answered a thousand times. Joshua did not give the people rest though his name meant “Jehovah saves” (Hebrews 4:8).The scripture explicitly says that His name shall be called “Jesus” because HE – SHALL – SAVE….
This was not true of Joshua or Moses or of anyone else anyone else but the Messenger from Jehovah
Quote Acts 7:35, “This Moses whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?’ is the one God sent to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the Messenger who appeared to him in the bush.
Moses was not the true deliverer. The Messenger from Jehovah was the true Deliverer. The earliest manuscripts identify the Messenger from Jehovah as Jesus:Quote 4For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that JESUS, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
ESV
I said:
Quote Keith, The fact that Mike denies the authenticity of scripture proves that you have backed him into a wall. Once a man runs out of arguments then the denial of scripture is all he has left. You have done a masterful job my friend.
Jack
Keith rerplied:
Quote Thanks Jack But it all has been said before and to what avail? They will continue teaching against Jesus words, but hopefully someone listening will see Mike and Marty doubting the authenticity of the scriptures, for that will help them to decide not to put much stock in their teachings and that it is proof of their personal bias over the Word of God.
WJ
Keith,I agree. The one who denies the authenticity of a certain scripture without any Mss. evidence whatosever brings suspicion upon himself. Mike and Marty may as well join Bodhitharta and his Muslim friends. The Muslims deny the authenticity of many scriptures.
Hang in there my friend. The Lord converted one person through us early last year before Mike came here. Do you remember how 'peace2all' vehemently argued against the divinity of our Lord and then publically announced his conversion? I remember that he said, “The Lord has opened my eyes.” For about a week after that he continued to defend the divinity of our Lord until he decided he needed to find a church to worship.
Maybe someday the Lord will open Mike's and Marty's eyes so they too may escape the lake of fire.
Jack
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,19:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,17:58) Mike It seems altogether unlikely that immediately after Christ had solemnly promulgated the trinitarian formula of baptism, the Apostles themselves would have substituted another. IN FACT, THE WORDS OF ST..PAUL (ACTS 19) IMPLY QUITE PLAINLY THAT THEY DID NOT.
What part of this quote do you not understand?
It doesn't matter what your conclusions are on the verses.
What matters is he is not saying that he doubts Matt 28:19 or the Apostles.
Keith, what name does Paul end up baptizing in in Acts 19?
It doesn't matter because they are both scriptures and it is to be accepted as scripture and not just cast aside because your doctrine doesn't fit. You refuse to see how the verse harmonizes with all of scripture.You are using scripture against scripture and casting doubt on them. That means that you believe the Bible is corrupt and proves to me that not matter what proof we show you that Jesus is God you will just cast it aside like you do a lot of scriptures like John 1:1 and the rest that say Jesus is God.
WJ
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