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Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2011,17:39) The Father is the one true God with Jesus the Lord of lords. Jehovah is both God and Lord…Father and Son. Jehovah is the name for the unity of two persons. t8, if the Father is your one true God, who is your one true Lord? Only by the Spirit can we say and mean what is true.
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
1 Corinthians 12:3 NAS
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed “; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’Quote (princess @ Aug. 06 2011,16:51) Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 06 2011,12:41) Quote (princess @ Aug. 06 2011,09:34) Quote Two Jehovah's are working in Genesis 19:24 Quote Our God and our Lord are not like the ancient pagan hierarchies. Technially they are, Vishnu and Shiva are considered and acknowedge the same way, I believe that the egyptians had many of the same.
But not according to Scriptures…. and that is what is important to me……Irene
Irene,To ask KJ, the cannon states that Jesus is God, surely you do not find it impossible for one to interpret the cannon this way.
I understand you do not believe in such, however does not change the fact that millions do.
Other cultures have different beliefs as well, I have come to find that most have a basic principles, love one another, speak kindly to one another, do not harm another, lie or steal from another, care for the ones that are in need, give without reward, these are core beliefs however, as is life, these simple principles are covered up with other things, which ones seem to think are more important.
Even so there are doctrines that are false…. To ignore that is to ignore Scriptures. i am sure you don't want to do that, correct?
Shimmer Son knows it well…..
There is one God in heaven and one Lord Jesus Christ…. I worship our Heavenly Father only….The doctrines of this world is to be ignored and not Scriptures…
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene,
I agree there are some dogma's are ignorant of truth. However should we be so ignorant ourselves not to be able to comprehend where such beliefs stem from.
The belief in multiple gods that have been combined to form one god is not one I do believe in. In so, I do not adhere to the canonized bible as being the only truth.
The love that Shimmer has towards others can only show what a great mother she is, and how great of a man her son will become. The world needs more of them.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 05 2011,13:03) Two Jehovah's are working in Genesis 19:24
And that sums it up, Jack. You truly believe you have TWO “Jehovahs”, and therefore TWO God Almighties.In fact, Trinitarians believe we have THREE God Almighties. They just confusingly try to fit these THREE Gods into a monotheistic religion.
Psalm 110:1
Jehovah says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”If both Jesus and the Father are “Jehovah”, then who is the Lord who sits at Jehovah's right hand?
Quote (princess @ Aug. 05 2011,23:51) Irene, To ask KJ, the cannon states that Jesus is God, surely you do not find it impossible for one to interpret the cannon this way.
Hi Princess,There is nothing in the canon to suggest what Jack or Kathi or Keith believe. That is why it is so amazing to some of us.
Jesus was begotten BY his God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)
Jesus is a creation OF his God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)
Jesus is the Son OF his God. (Matt 16:16)
Jesus is the Word/Spokesman OF his God. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)
Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb OF his God. (John 1:29, Rev 7:10)
Jesus is a prophet OF his God. (Luke 4:24, Acts 3:22)
Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN God and men. (1 Tim 2:5)
Jesus is a Priest OF God. (Heb 5:10)
Jesus is a Servant OF his God. (Acts 4:30)
Jesus obeys his God. (John 8:29, 12:49)
Jesus worships his God. (John 4:22)
Jesus says his God is greater than him, and all. (John 14:28, 10:29)
Jesus says that our God is also his own God. (John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
Jesus distinguishes himself as someone other than his God. (John 10:36, 17:3)
Jesus was sent BY his God. (Gal 4:4)
Jesus sits at the right hand OF his God. (Mark 16:19, Acts 2:33)
Jesus rules in the power, authority, and name OF his God. (Micah 5:4, Matt 28:18)
Jesus will hand the reign of the Kingdom back to his own God. (1 Cor 15:24, 28)Now, tell us once again how a sensible person like Irene, who is guided by the Spirit of truth and by the scriptures, should be able to easily understand how people like Jack come up with their nonsense.
Because, for the life of me, the ONLY reason I have come up with is that they've been truly blinded by the god of this world, whose only purpose in doing so is to cause children of God to worship someone other than God – thereby causing them to be as lost to God as he already knows he is. He would like to take as many down with him as he can, IMO.
peace,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2011,07:38) Hi T8 and Mike, I've been reading and enjoying all the rudimentary philosophies. (Col.2:8) Because one can explain an idea, does not make it biblical!
Here is yet another verse that has to be gymnastically explained away to fit the many cocamemy ideas presented here; NO NAMES!Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him(Jesus), and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord(meaning “owner”), to the glory of God the Father.Notice how this verse doesn't say:
to the glory “WITH” the father; yet ‘IT somehow MUST’, , ‘IT someway HAS TO’!!!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,And we are to do everything we do to the glory of the One who made us also. Are you suggesting that we share in God's own glory when doing so?
Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 06 2011,07:34) Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hbr 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hbr 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Anyone ses Jehovah God in these Scriptures?
Not like the ones I gave in Psalms….
Jehovah God is the Highest Gods name and not Jesus name….. Irene
Irene,You asked if anyone sees jehovah in those scriptures. In Psalm 102 king David was speaking to Jehovah saying that He created the heavens and the earth. In Hebrews 1:8-10 the Father applied that Psalm to the Son.
This means that the Father was speaking through David addressing Jehovah the Son calling Him the Creator.
In Isaiah 45:23-24 Jehovah said that every knee shall bow to Me. In Philippians 2 Paul referred to that scripture saying that every knee shall bow to Jesus.
It's not hard to understand. You had it right the first time. Why did you depart from the true Jesus?
Jack
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2011,02:39) Quote (princess @ Aug. 05 2011,23:51) Irene, To ask KJ, the cannon states that Jesus is God, surely you do not find it impossible for one to interpret the cannon this way.
Hi Princess,There is nothing in the canon to suggest what Jack or Kathi or Keith believe. That is why it is so amazing to some of us.
Jesus was begotten BY his God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)
Jesus is a creation OF his God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)
Jesus is the Son OF his God. (Matt 16:16)
Jesus is the Word/Spokesman OF his God. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)
Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb OF his God. (John 1:29, Rev 7:10)
Jesus is a prophet OF his God. (Luke 4:24, Acts 3:22)
Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN God and men. (1 Tim 2:5)
Jesus is a Priest OF God. (Heb 5:10)
Jesus is a Servant OF his God. (Acts 4:30)
Jesus obeys his God. (John 8:29, 12:49)
Jesus worships his God. (John 4:22)
Jesus says his God is greater than him, and all. (John 14:28, 10:29)
Jesus says that our God is also his own God. (John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
Jesus distinguishes himself as someone other than his God. (John 10:36, 17:3)
Jesus was sent BY his God. (Gal 4:4)
Jesus sits at the right hand OF his God. (Mark 16:19, Acts 2:33)
Jesus rules in the power, authority, and name OF his God. (Micah 5:4, Matt 28:18)
Jesus will hand the reign of the Kingdom back to his own God. (1 Cor 15:24, 28)Now, tell us once again how a sensible person like Irene, who is guided by the Spirit of truth and by the scriptures, should be able to easily understand how people like Jack come up with their nonsense.
Because, for the life of me, the ONLY reason I have come up with is that they've been truly blinded by the god of this world, whose only purpose in doing so is to cause children of God to worship someone other than God – thereby causing them to be as lost to God as he already knows he is. He would like to take as many down with him as he can, IMO.
peace,
mike
Mike! Good post and I agree…Peace and Love IreneQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2011,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2011,07:38) Hi T8 and Mike, I've been reading and enjoying all the rudimentary philosophies. (Col.2:8) Because one can explain an idea, does not make it biblical!
Here is yet another verse that has to be gymnastically explained away to fit the many cocamemy ideas presented here; NO NAMES!Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him(Jesus), and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord(meaning “owner”), to the glory of God the Father.Notice how this verse doesn't say:
to the glory “WITH” the father; yet ‘IT somehow MUST’, , ‘IT someway HAS TO’!!!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,And we are to do everything we do to the glory of the One who made us also. Are you suggesting that we share in God's own glory when doing so?
Hi Mike,That post illustrates how mental gymnastics are necessary
to keep Scripture from discounting the cocamemy ideas
some are presenting here in this thread; NO NAMES.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Now, tell us once again how a sensible person like Irene, who is guided by the Spirit of truth and by the scriptures, should be able to easily understand how people like Jack come up with their nonsense. The quick brown dog jumped over the lazy dog, understand the sentence, does that automatically mean you believe in it. Seriously, your putting your foot in mouth when you make such claims, due to all the responses you give towards one that believe in the trinity, you must understand what they are saying or there would be no need for you to respond. Kapesh.
Quote Because, for the life of me, the ONLY reason I have come up with is that they've been truly blinded by the god of this world, whose only purpose in doing so is to cause children of God to worship someone other than God – thereby causing them to be as lost to God as he already knows he is. He would like to take as many down with him as he can, IMO. I have a question for you, it seems to be your quest to prove the triad belief wrong to others that believe, tell me do you have any familiars that you both believe, some tend to forget, that there are seven warnings to seven churches, not every has it correct, also do you converse with ones to prove your belief with a pure heart of not wanting to see them perish, or do you converse with ones just to prove them wrong, so you can tell them I told you so.
Either you do it for love, or don't do it, for anything that does not proceed with purity of the heart, it bitter to the stomach. Understand, do you believe it?
Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 07 2011,11:17) Princess, it's so good to see you posting. I missed you you know.
Shimmer, thank you, you blessed and highly favored woman you.You are always in my heart Shimmer, like I said before, I would go into battle with you any day, just let me know.
Take care of yourself Shimmer, love you much.
Princess
Quote The quick brown dog jumped over the lazy dog correction, the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. sorry, I have yet to ask for editing rights, tend to forget.
Quote (princess @ Aug. 07 2011,06:54) due to all the responses you give towards one that believe in the trinity, you must understand what they are saying or there would be no need for you to respond
Hi Princess,You said to Irene:
Quote Irene, To ask KJ, the cannon states that Jesus is God, surely you do not find it impossible for one to interpret the cannon this way.
My post was a way of saying, “Actually, we DO find it IMPOSSIBLE for one to honestly and faithfully interpret the scriptures in such a way as to claim that the Son OF God is the same exact God he is the Son OF.”It's like they are claiming that the offspring of a black dog and a white dog will be an alligator. Sure, we would understand the words clear enough. But you were not suggesting that Irene only understood the words they were saying. You seemed to have been suggesting that there was enough evidence that two dogs would produce an alligator that she should at least be able to understand why they came to that assinine conclusion.
Princess, we understand the words they post when they claim that the anointed one of God is the God who anointed him. But please don't expect us to ever completely understand WHY they would make such a nonsensical claim.
As far as my motives – they are many. And they all come from a good and pure place…………usually.
peace,
mikeQuote (princess @ Aug. 08 2011,01:40) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 07 2011,11:17) Princess, it's so good to see you posting. I missed you you know.
Shimmer, thank you, you blessed and highly favored woman you.You are always in my heart Shimmer, like I said before, I would go into battle with you any day, just let me know.
Take care of yourself Shimmer, love you much.
Princess
Love you too Princess. I'v always liked you even if we don't always agree:) Say hi to your Family Princess.Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2011,14:05) t8,
This is a good topic and I may keep my conversations here for a while so that I am not jumping around trying to keep up with those asking me questions. I am getting rather busy with planning a bridal shower, starting a new school year and designing a big kitchen for a client…soooo I need to limit my time on HN. Hope you understand.With the understanding that:
LORD stands for Jehovah
Lord stands for the supreme Lord (adownai)
lord stands for the general term lord, applied to God and man at various times,Read this verse that tells us who the LORD is:
Deut 10:17 “For theLORD your God is theGod of gods and theLord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.The equation that I gave you on the 'Adam' thread would look like this:
the LORD our God = God of gods + Lord of lords
Jesus is the mighty God who is the most high Lord (adownai), as the Lord of lords, who is a member of the unity named 'LORD our God.'
The Father is the mighty God who is the most high God, as God of gods, and who is a member of the unity named Jehovah (LORD), our God.
Both the Father and the Son are mighty Gods by nature and together make up the unity called “Jehovah (LORD), our God.”
The Father, as a mighty God by nature, is the God of gods by position within the unity called Jehovah (LORD), our God.
The Son, as a mighty God by nature, is the Lord of lords by position within the unity called Jehovah (LORD), our God.
The Son is the spokesperson and represents the unity named Jehovah when the Bible says that Jehovah is speaking or appearing directly to man, imo.
This is my understanding, feel free to test it.
Kathi
I have enjoyed reading through this old thread this morning!Kathi, I read the first 3 pages and I can see you have been utterly refuted.
I guess you are not able to see how wrong you are.
I pray God will open your eyes so that you may repent.This is a post written by someone who would say that I was not wrong, and I can find many from commentaries, early church father's, current web sites, etc. so I say to you t8, I believe that you and your cohorts are the blinded ones, sorry:
I have decided to post here a one-page summary of the Bible's teaching that Jesus Christ of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old Testament, come in the flesh. As such it can be printed out by Christians and used as a witnessing tool to Jehovah's Witnesses.
Up to now, I have had to refer to my one-page “Jesus is Jehovah!” post on my CreationEvolutionDesign blog, which I posted there before I had started this Jesus is Jehovah! blog. I have largely followed the outline of that post. I have also mostly used the American Standard Version (1901) because it translated the Hebrew הוהי (YHWH) as “Jehovah.”
This is still a work-in-progress. I am working through it verse-by-verse, day-by-day, in my morning `quiet time' and will improve it as I go along.
JESUS IS JEHOVAH!
1. INTRODUCTION
Why I use “Jehovah” instead of “Yahweh” “Jehovah” is the common English translation of the Hebrew YHWH; being three syllables it may be closer to the original than “Yahweh”; and it is the translation adopted by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society in the name “Jehovah's Witnesses.” If Jesus is Jehovah, which the Watchtower denies, then Jehovah's Witnesses are not Jehovah's witnesses.What I mean by Jesus is Jehovah is that Jesus Christ of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old Testament, come in the flesh. As Jehovah promised/warned in the Old Testament that He would come to Israel/Jerusalem in Person (Isa 40:3; Zep 3:14-15; Zec 2:10-11; 9:9; Mal 3:1).
What I don't mean by Jesus is Jehovah is that the Son is the Father. That Jesus is Jehovah does not preclude the other two Persons of the Holy Trinity (Mt 28:19; 2Cor 13:14; 1Pet 1:2): the Father (Ps 139:7; Isa 40:13 = Rom 11:34 & 1Cor 2:16; Mk 3:28-29; Acts 5:3-4; 13:2; 28:25-27; 2Cor 3:17; Heb 3:7-11 = Ps 95:7-11; Heb 10:15-17 = Jer 31:33), also being Jehovah: the one Triune God.
Plurality in God/Jehovah in the Old Testament There are indications of plurality within God/Jehovah in the Old Testament:
Elohim [God] is plural The usual Hebrew word for “God” [elohim] is plural. Personal pronouns “us” and “our” are used by God/Jehovah of Himself (Gn 1:26; 3:22, 11:7; Isa 6:8).
“One” [Heb. 'echad] can mean a compound unity The Hebrew word for “one” ['echad] in “Jehovah our God is one” (Dt 6:4) can mean a compound unity. The same Heb. word 'echad is used of the “one flesh” of husband and wife; “one people” comprising many individuals; “one voice” of “all the people”; “one cluster of grapes”; and “one stick” joined to “another stick” making a compound “one stick” (Gn 2:24; 11:6; 34:16,22; Ex 24:3; Num 13:23; Eze 37:16-17).
More than one “Jehovah” In the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham addressed his three visitors collectively as “Jehovah” (Gn 18:1-5,9); and later Jehovah on earth made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah in heaven (Gn 19:24). “Jehovah” sends “Jehovah” (Zec 2:8-11; Isa 48:12,16). And in Zec 3:2 “Jehovah” says to Satan, “Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan.”
Spirit of Jehovah/God & Word of Jehovah/God The “Spirit of Jehovah/God” is Jehovah (Job 33:4; Ps 139:7; Isa 40:13), yet is distinct from Jehovah (Ex 31:1-3; Ps 104:30; Isa 11:2; 42:1; 48:16; 63:10). Both the Spirit of Jehovah/God (Gn 1:2; Job 33:4; Ps 104:30), and the Word of Jehovah/God (Gn 1:3,6,9,11,14,20,24,26; Ps 33:6-9; Jn 1:1-3; Heb 11:3, 2Pet 3:5) were active in Creation.
Angel of Jehovah The angel of Jehovah/God speaks and acts as Jehovah/God (Gn 16:10; 22:11-12, 15-18; 31:11-13; 28:13; Ex 3:1-6); has Jehovah's name in him (Ex 23:20-23) and is called “Jehovah” or “God” (Gn 16:10-13; 32:24-30; Jdg 13:2-3,22; Zec 3:1-2).
2. JESUS CLAIMED TO BE JEHOVAH
I AM Jesus claimed to be “I AM” (Jn 8:24,28,58; 13:19; 18:5-6). The “I am he” in the original Greek of those verses is ego eimi – “I am” – with no “he”. In the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint or LXX) ego eimi – “I AM” – is the self-designation of Jehovah (Ex 3:14-15; Dt 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10; 46:4; 52:6). In particular, Jesus claimed to be Jehovah in His statements that, “Before Abraham was born, I am [ego eimi]” (Jn 8:58 ESV), and “unless you believe that I am [ego eimi – no “he”] … you will die in your sins” (Jn 8:24 ESV). Likewise, Jesus also claimed to be Jehovah when He walked on the stormy sea and told the disciples in their sinking boat to, “Take heart; it is I” (ego eimi – “I AM”) (Mt 14:23-27; Mk 6:47-50; Jn 6:16-20 ESV).Shepherd Jesus claimed to be “the Good Shepherd” (Jn 10:11,14). Jesus is the “Great Shepherd of the sheep,” “the Shepherd,” “the Chief Shepherd” (Heb 13:20; 1Pet 2:25; 5:4; Rev 7:17). But Jehovah is the Shepherd of His sheep (Ps 23:1; Isa 40:10-11; Eze 34:15).
First and Last Jesus claimed to be “the first and the last” (Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16). But Jehovah is the first and the last (Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17). And there cannot be two “the first and the lasts! Jesus also claimed to be “the Alpha and the Omega” (Rev 21:6; 22:13). But “the Lord God … the Almighty” is “the Alpha and the Omega” (Rev 1:8).
3. JESUS IS STATED/IMPLIED TO BE JEHOVAH
Jesus is Jehovah God Jesus blessed Thomas for his confession that Jesus was “the Lord of me and the God of me” (Jn 20:28-29).Jesus is Jehovah “Jesus is Lord” (Rom 10:9; 1Cor 12:3; Php 2:10-11). If the Watchtower was consistent in its stated policy of substituting “Jehovah” for Gk. kyrios in its NWT New Testament, where it is a quote from the Old Testament that includes the name of “Jehovah”, then it would have translated Php 2:11 NWT as:
“and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is JEHOVAH”
because Php 2:10-11 NWT is a quote from Isa 45:23 NWT, where Paul has substituted “Jesus” for “Jehovah”!
Jesus is the only Lord “there is … one Lord, Jesus Christ”; “There is … one Lord”; “our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ” (1Cor 8:6; Eph 4:4-5; Jude 4).
Jesus is Jehovah seen in the OT All the appearances of Jehovah/God in the OT were the pre-incarnate Christ (Jn 1:18; 5:37; 6:46; Col 1:15; 1Tim 6:16, 1Jn 4:12). When Isaiah saw Jehovah's glory, he saw the pre-incarnate Jesus' glory (Jn 12:37-41; Isa 6:1-10).
Jesus is Jehovah of the Exodus Jesus is the “I AM” of the burning bush (Jn 8:58; Ex 3:2,14). “Jesus saved a people out of the land of Egypt” (Jude 4 ESV). Christ accompanied the Israelites out of Egypt (1Cor 10:4). Some of the Israelites of the Exodus “put Christ to the test … and were destroyed by serpents” (1Cor 10:9; Num 21:5-6 ESV).
4. JEHOVAH'S NAMES & TITLES ARE APPLIED TO JESUS
Jehovah Jesus' name in Hebrew (Yeshua) means “Jehovah is salvation” (Mt 1:21). It is the name that the Father gave Him (Jn 17:11-12). “Jesus” is now “the name which is above every name” (Php 2:9-10). There is now “no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved” but “Jesus” (Acts 4:10-12).God Jesus is “the God [Gk. ho Theos] with us” (Mt 1:23); “the great God and our Saviour” (Tit 2:13). Jesus is the Word who in the beginning was with God, and who was God (Jn 1:1); who is by nature God (Php 2:5-6 NIV). He is God the Son (Heb 1:8); “God over all” (Rom 9:5); in whom “the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” (Col 2:9 ESV). To Christians Jesus is “my Lord and my God” (Jn 20:28); “our God and Savior” (2Pet 1:1).
Son of God Jesus claimed to be “the Son of God” (Mk 14:61-62; Jn 10:36; 11:4); or simply “the Son” (Mt 11:27; 24:36; 28:19; Mk 13:32; Lk 10:22; Jn 3:35-36; 5:19-23,26; 6:40; 8:35-36; 14:13; 17:1). Jesus was uniquely the
Son of God: He distinguished between His “my Father” and others' “your Father” (Jn 8:38; 20:17). He spoke of God as “my Father” in a unique sense (Mt 7:21; 10:32-33; 11:27; 12:50; 16:17; 18:10,19; 20:23; 25:34; 26:39,42; 26:53; Lk 10:22; 22:29; 24:49; Jn 5:17; 6:32; 8:19,38,49,54; 10:17-18,29-30,37; 14:7,20-21,23; 15:1,8,15,23-24; 20:17; Rev 2:27; 3:5,21). Such that the Jewish religious leaders rightly understood Jesus to be claiming equality with God (Jn 5:18; 10:33; 19:7).Lord [Gk. Kurios]. Used nearly 7,000 times in the Septuagint for “Jehovah”. Jesus is “the Lord” [Gk. ho kurios] (Mt 21:3; 5:19; Mk 11:3; Lk 7:13, 10:1,41; 11:39; 12:42; 13:15; 18:6; 19:31,34; 22:61; 24:34; Jn 4:1; 21:7,12; Acts 2:47; 9:15,17; 12:11,17; 13:47; 16:14; 18:9; 22:10; 23:11; 26:15; 1Cor 3:5; 4:5,19; 7:10,12,17; 9:14; 2Cor 3:17; 10:8; 13:10; Php 4:5; Col 3:13; 1Th 3:12; 4:16; 2Th 2:8; 3:3,5; 2Tim 1:16,18; 2:7; 3:11; 4:8,14,17-18,22; Jas 5:11,15; 1Pet 2:3).
Lord of glory Jesus is “the Lord of glory” 1Cor 2:8; Jas 2:1). But Jehovah is “the King of glory” (Ps 24:10).
Lord of all Jesus is “Lord of all” (Acts 10:36; Rom 10:12). But Jehovah is “the Lord of all the earth” (Josh 3:13; Ps 97:5; Mic 4:13; Zec 4:14).
Lord of lords Jesus is the “Lord of lords, and King of kings” (Rev 17:14; 19:16). But God is “the King of kings, and Lord of lords” (1Tim 6:15). And Jehovah is the “Lord of lords” (Dt 10:17; Ps 136:3).
Lord of the sabbath Jesus declared Himself to be “Lord of the sabbath” (Mt 12:8; Mk 2:28; Lk 6:5). But Jehovah instituted the Sabbath (Ex 20:8; Lev 23:3; Dt 5:12).
Saviour Jesus is “God and our Saviour” (Tit 2:13; 2Pet 1:1); “our Lord and Saviour” (2Pet 1:11; 3:18); “the Saviour of the world” (1Jn 4:14). But Jehovah is the “Saviour” (Isa 43:3; 45:21) and besides Him “there is no saviour” (Isa 43:11; Hos 13:4).
5. PASSAGES ABOUT JEHOVAH ARE APPLIED TO JESUS
Jn 12:37-41 = Isa 6:1-10 John in Jn 12:37-41 quotes from Isa 6:1-10 where Isaiah saw Jehovah of hosts' glory, and states that it was Jesus whose glory Isaiah saw and spoke of.1Cor 1:30-31 = Jer 9:24 Paul in 1Cor 1:30-31 quotes Jer 9:24 “but let him that glorieth glory in this … that I am Jehovah” and applies it to “Christ Jesus.”
Eph 4:8 = Ps 68:18 Paul in Eph 4:8 quotes Ps 68:18 about “Jehovah God” having “ascended on high” and applies it to Jesus having “ascended on high.”
Heb 1:10-12 = Ps 102:25-27 The writer to the Hebrews quotes Ps 102:25-27, which is part of a prayer to Jehovah (Ps 102:1), and applies to “the Son” (Heb 1:8), in Heb 1:10-12 (ESV):
You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.
1Pet 2:8 = Isa 8:13-14 Peter in 1Pet 2:8 quotes Isa 8:13-14 about “Jehovah of hosts” who will be “a stone of stumbling” and “a rock of offence” to Israel, and applies it to Jesus who is “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence” to Israel.
1Pet 2:3 = Ps 34:8 Peter quotes Ps 34:8, “taste and see that Jehovah is good” and applies it to Jesus, “if ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious” in 1Pet 2:3.
2Pet 3:8 = Ps 90:4 Peter quotes Ps 90:4 about “a thousand years in” are “as yesterday when it is past” and applies it to Jesus in 2Pet 3:8.
6. PROPHECIES ABOUT JEHOVAH ARE APPLIED TO JESUS
Mt 3:1-3; Mk 1:2-4; Lk 3:2-4; Jn 1:19-23 = Isa 40:3 All four gospels state that John the Baptist's preaching in the wilderness was the fulfillment of Isa 40:3, “Prepare … the way of Jehovah … our God.” But the “Jehovah God” who John prepared the way for was Jesus!Mt 11:10, Mk 1:2, Lk 7:27 = Mal 3:1 “Jehovah of hosts” predicted, “Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me” (Mal 3:1). But John the Baptist was that messenger and he prepared the way before Jesus (Mt 11:10, Mk 1:2, Lk 7:27)!
Mt 26:15; 27:9 = Zec 11:13 In Zec 11:13 “Jehovah” predicts that the “price that I was prized at by them” [the “shepherds” of “the flock” – vv. 8,12] was “thirty pieces of silver.” This was fulfilled by the Jewish religious leaders paying Judas “thirty pieces of silver” for betraying Jesus to them (Mt 26:15; 27:9).
Jn 19:34-37; Rev 1:7 = Zec 12:10 In Zec 12:10 “Jehovah” (vv. 1,4) predicts that “the inhabitants of Jerusalem … shall look unto me whom they have pierced.” This was fulfilled by Jesus being “pierced” by nails and a spear on the Cross (Jn 19:34-37; Rev 1:7).
Acts 2:20 = Joel 2:31 Peter in Acts 2:20 quotes Joel 2:31 predicting “the day of Jehovah” and applies it to a future “day of the Lord.” (On “the day of Jehovah” see also Isa 2:12; 13:6,9; Eze 13:5; 30:3; Joel 1:15; 2:1,11; 3:14; Am 5:18,20; Ob 1:15; Zep 1:7,14; Zec 14:1; Mal 4:5). Peter in 2Pet 3:4,10 clarifies that “the day of the Lord” will be Jesus “coming.” Paul interchanges “the day of the Lord” (1Cor 5:5; 1Th 5:1,2; 2Th 2:2), i.e. “the day of Jehovah” with “the day of Jesus Christ” (Php 1:6, 10; 2:16).
Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13 = Joel 2:32 Both Peter and Paul apply Joel 2:32, “whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered” to Jesus: “whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Acts 2:21; Rom 10:13).
Rom 14:11 & Php 2:10 = Isa 45:23 Paul quotes Isa 45:23 where Jehovah predicts that, “unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear” and twice applies it to Jesus, in Rom 14:11 & Php 2:10.
7. ATTRIBUTES OF JEHOVAH ARE APPLIED TO JESUS
Eternal In the beginning the pre-incarnate Word already was (Jn 1:1-2). The Son is “before all things” (Col 1:17). He is eternal (Heb 1:10-12; Ps 102:25-27).Omniscient Jesus knew what others were thinking (Mt 9:4;12:25; Mk 2:6-8; Lk 6:8). In Rev 2:23 The risen Jesus quotes Jer 17:10, where Jehovah warns, “I, Jehovah, search the mind, I try the heart” and applies it to Himself. John states of Jesus that, “he himself knew what was in man” (Jn 2:25). Peter responded to the risen Jesus' questions with “Lord, you know everything” (Jn 21:17 ESV). The disciples prayed to Jesus, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all” (Acts 1:24 ESV).
Holy Jesus is “the Holy One of God” (Mk 1:24; Lk 4:34; Jn 6:69); the “Holy One” (Acts 2:27; 13:35; Rev 3:7); “the Holy and Righteous One (Acts 3:14). And Jehovah is “the Holy One of Israel” (Ps 89:18; Isa 48:17; Jer 51:5; Eze 39:7).
8. WORKS OF JEHOVAH ARE APPLIED TO JESUS
Creation The Son created all things (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:2). Yet Jehovah/God created all things (Isa 44:24; Neh 9:6). The Son laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the works of His hands (Heb 1:8,10). Yet Jehovah laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the works of His hands (Ps 102:12,25; Gn 1:1; 2:4; Isa 42:5; 51:13)!Forgiveness of sins Jesus forgave sins (Mt 9:2-6; Mk 2:5-10; Lk 5:20-24; 7:47-49; 1Jn 1:9). But it is Jehovah/God who forgives sins (Josh 24:19; Ps 25:18; 32:5; 79:9; Isa 42:5). In fact only God can forgive sins (Mk 2:7; Lk 5:21).
Judgment Jesus will be the Judge of all (Jn 5:22, 27; Ac 10:42; 17:31; Rom 2:16; 2Cor 5:10; 2Tim 4:1,8). Yet Jehovah is to be the Judge of all (Gn 18:25; 1Sam 2:10; 1Ch 16:33; Ps 9:7,19; 96:10,13; 98:9; Isa 66:16; Jer 25:31).
9. WORSHIP DUE TO JEHOVAH IS PAID TO JESUS
Worship Jesus is worshipped (Mt 14:33; 28:9,17; Lk 24:52; Jn 9:38; 20:28; Heb 1:6). But only Jehovah/God should be worshipped (Dt 6:13; Mt 4:10; Lk 4:8; Ac 10:25-26; Rev 19:10).Glory “Glory forever” is ascribed to Jesus (Rom 16:27; Eph 3:21; 2Tim 4:18; Heb 13:21; 1Pet 4:11; 2Pet 3:18; Jude 25; Rev 1:6; 5:13). But Jehovah said that He would not give His glory to another (Isa 42:8; 48:11).
Honor
“All” should honor the Son “just as they honor the Father,” and those who don't (like the JWs) do “not honor the Father:Jn 5:23 NWT. in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Prayer Jesus is prayed to (Acts 1:24; 7:59-60) and answers prayer to Himself (Jn 14:14; 2Cor 12:8-9; 1Jn 5:13-15 ESV). A prayer of the early Church was to Jesus: “Our Lord, come!” (1Cor 16:22; Rev 22:20 ESV). Paul prayed to both “our God and Father … and our Lord Jesus” (1Th 3:11). Jesus' name is to be called upon (Acts 2:21; Rom 10:12-13; 1Cor 1:2) as was Jehovah's name to be called upon in the Old Testament (Gn 4:26; 12:8; 26:25; 1Ch 16:8; Ps 99:6; 105:1; 116:4,13,17; Isa 12:4; 48:2; Lam 3:55; Joel 2:32; Zep 3:9). Jesus never prayed to “Jehovah” (“Lord”) but to “Father” (Mt 11:25-26; 26:39,42; Mk 14:36; Lk 10:21; 22:42; 23:34,46; Jn 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1,5,11,21,24-25) and once to “God” (Mt 27:46; Mk 15:34) when on the Cross, quoting Ps 22:1. This is inexplicable unless Jesus is Jehovah!
10. ALL OBJECTIONS TO JESUS BEING JEHOVAH FAIL
“Jesus is `a' god, not `the' God” The Watchtower Society's New World Translation renders Jn 1:1 as “… and the Word was a god.” But the original Greek is, kai theos en ho logos (“and God was the Word”). That is, the pre-incarnate Son (Jn 1:14) shared the Father's God-nature. New Testament Greek does not have an indefinite article (“a”) as English does, so the absence of the definite article ho (“the”) before a noun, e.g. “God,” does not mean it is indefinite. In the same chapter the word “God” appears without the definite article in Jn 1:6,12,13,18 but the NWT each time translates it as “God” without the indefinite article “a”. The NWT's “a god” translation of John 1:1 makes Jehovah's Witnesses polytheists: those who believe in the existence of more than one true god. That is unless they wish to claim that Jesus is a false god! And the Apostle John, being a devout Jew, was a monotheist: one who believed in the existence of only one true God (Jn 17:3). So the NWT's “a god” translation of John 1:1 cannot be correct, and in fact all mainstream English translations render John 1:1 “… and the Word was God” (e.g. ASV, ESV, KJV, NIV, RSV, NASB & NKJV).“Jesus is a `Mighty God', not the `Almighty God.” The Watchtower claims on the basis of Isa 9:6 NWT that Jesus is only a “Mighty God” not the Almighty God. See above on this belief in two true Gods, means that Jehovah's Witnesses are polytheists. But even the Society's “Mighty God”-“Almighty God” distinction fails, because in the very next chapter, Isa 10:21 NWT, Jehovah is called “the Mighty God” using the same Hebrew words (el gibbor). Also, after His resurrection Jesus has been given “All authority … in heaven and on the earth” (Mt 28:18 NWT). He is now exalted “far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name named” (Eph 1:21 NWT), with “all things in subjection under his feet” (1Cor 15:27; Eph 1:22; Heb 2:8). The Greek word translated “Almighty” in the New Testament is pantokrator which means “ruler of all”, so even in the Watchtower's own Bible, Jesus is Almighty! Indeed in Rev 1:7-8 NWT, the One who “is coming” and has been “pierced,” Jesus, is called “Jehovah God … the Almighty”:
Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. “I am the Al'pha and the O•me'ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
Bearing in mind that in Rev 22:12-13 NWT the One who is “coming quickly” (Jesus) is “the Al'pha and the O·me'ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end”!
“The Son was created” The Watchtower Society claims that the Son was Jehovah's first (and only) creation. But this contradicts those verses which state that Jehovah/God created the heavens and the earth (Gn 1:1; 2:4; Isa 42:5; 51:13; Neh 9:6), “alone” (Isa 44:24) by His “hands” (Isa 45:12; 66:2). And it is despite the next verse (Col 1:16) stating clearly that the Son created “all things,” and Jn 1:3 ESV stating of the preincarnate Son that “All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.” The Society cannot find even one verse which clearly states that Jesus was “created”, so it has to resort to a handful of verses which don't even say that!
“Firstborn” For example, the Society claims that because Col 1:15 calls Jesus “the firstborn of all creation,” therefore He must have been the first created. But apart from the fact that “first-born” doesn't even mean “first-created,” in the Biblical Hebrew culture, “firstborn” meant preeminent. Thus a few verses later Paul explains what he meant by Jesus being “firstborn”: “that in all things he might have the preeminence” (Col 1:18). Remember that Jesus, the God-man, in His humanity was part of creation. While the first-born son in a Jewish family was usually the “firstborn” (daughters were not counted), he could lose his “firstborn” status, as Esau lost his to Jacob (Gn 27:19-36). Manasseh was born before his twin brother Ephraim (Gn 41:50-51; 48:14) but Jehovah declared that “Ephraim is my first-born” (Jer 31:9). Also in Ps 89:27 Jehovah says of David, “I also will make him my first-born, The highest of the kings of the earth,” but David was actually the last born of eight brothers (1Sam 16:10-13).
“Beginning of the creation” Another verse the Watchtower claims proves that Jesus was the first created by Jehovah is Rev 3:14 NWT where the risen Jesus calls Himself, “the beginning of the creation by God.” But this is a mistranslation by the NWT. The original Greek is, “he arche tes ktiseos tou theou, “the chief of the creation of God.” The word “arche” translated “beginning” by the NWT means “chief in order, time, place or rank” (Strong's G746). In Jn 1:1-2 the same word arche is used by the author of Revelation, the Apostle John, to signify the “beginning” of time in which the Son already was, and was the Maker of “all things” (Jn 1:3), so John cannot mean here that Jesus was Himself part of the creation. [/B]The meaning of arche in Rev 3:14 therefore must mean “chief in rank”.[/B] The NIV translates Rev 3:14 as, “the ruler of God’s creation.” Although another possibility is that arche means “origin” or “source.” The leading New Testament Greek Lexicon, the BAGD (1979, p.112), states that arche in Rev 3:14 means “the first cause.” Accordingly the HCSB translation renders Rev 3:14, “the Originator of God’s creation.”
“Jehovah produced me (Wisdom)” Another questionable passage the Watchtower resorts to try to prove that the Son was created is Pr 8:22 NWT where Wisdom says:
“Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.”
But this passage says nothing about the Son or Christ, and it is not applied in the New Testament to Jesus. The Hebrew word translated “produced” by the NWT is qanah which means “own,” “possess” (Strong's H7069), not “create”. The Society's claim that Jehovah “produced” Wisdom would mean that He originally didn't have it and that without wisdom Jehovah produced wisdom! Also “Wisdom” in Hebrew is feminine, as can be seen by the feminine personal pronouns “she” and “her” used of Wisdom in the context, e.g: “Wisdom … she raises her voice” (Pr 1:20 ESV); “Wisdom has built her house; she has hewn her seven pillars” (Pr 9:1 ESV). Wisdom is a “sister” (Pr 7:4). She even lives with another woman named “Prudence” (Pr 8:12)!
“The Father is greater than the Son” The Watchtower Society highlights verses like Jesus' statement in Jn 14:28 NWT, “… the Father is greater than I am” to `prove' that Jesus cannot be God by nature. But the Greek
word translated “greater” is meizon, “larger … greater” (Strong's G3187), not kreitton “stronger … better” (Strong's G2909). The disciples argued who was to be the “greatest” [meizon] in the Kingdom of heaven (Mt 18:1) but the Son is “better” [kreitton] than the angels (Heb 1:4). That is, the Father is “greater” in rank or position than the Son, but the Father is not “better” than the Son. Also, when Jesus was on Earth, He had voluntarily taken “the form of a servant” (Php 2:7) and had “been made a little lower than the angels … that … he should taste of death for every man” (Heb. 2:9).” That the Son is subordinate to the Father in rank (1Cor 11:3; 15:24-28) does not mean that He is not equal to the Father in nature.“The Father is Jesus' God” The Watchtower cites verses where Jesus speaks of the Father as His God (Mt 27:46; Mk 15:34; Jn 20:17; Rev 1:6; 3:2,12) and the New Testament writers call the Father Jesus' God (Rom 15:6; 2Cor 1:3; Eph 1:3,17; Col 1:3; Pet 1:3), as proof that Jesus cannot be God. But in His human nature (Jn 1:14; Rom 1:3; 8:3; Php 2:5-8; Heb 2:14) the Father is Jesus' God. And that the Son is officially subordinate to the Father (Jn 14:28; 1Cor 11:3), that does not preclude the Son from being equal in nature with the Father (Jn 1:1; 5:17-18; 10:30-33; Php 2:6 NIV). To the son of a co-regent king his father is still his king, even though he has the same nature as his father and to others the son is also king.
11. CONCLUSION
As can be seen above, the Biblical evidence is overwhelming that Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old Testament, come in the flesh. And that all the objections that Jesus is not Jehovah, fail. Therefore Jesus is Jehovah! And Jehovah's Witnesses (who claim that Jesus is Michael the archangel) are not Jehovah's witnesses.Emphasis is mine.
from: http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/2012/12/jesus-is-jehovah.html
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