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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,07:56) Tim Kraft, Jesus did not break the law of Moses by not inflicting the punishment of death on her. Rather he upheld it for in showing mercy and commanding her to change her ways he showed love to her and thus did as God does. Do you not understand the parable of the gardener who showed mercy to the fig tree, Luke 13:6-9?
Hi Kerwin,Tim doesn't understand that righteousness fulfills “The Law”!
For some strange reason it seems like he wants a 'loophole'.
Is he trying to justify something in his mind that's corrupt?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
He should consider his words as when he states that man wrote most of the law of Moses he forgets that Moses a prophet of God and so was carried along by the Spirit of Christ.
Jesus disagreed with the Pharisees and teachers of law over their interpretation of the law as the did not interpret it according to God's command to love.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 30 2010,11:32) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2010,01:12) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 30 2010,07:02) Those who need a law or commandment to follow have not the love of God in their heart. If they had the pure love of God, dwelling within, they could produce only the byproduct of that love. One born of God has the love of God to give out to others. A branch grafted into the tree of life partakes of the life force/love contained within. So are we who are grafted into the love of God through Jesus free of any laws or rules of obedience because they are not needed. Anyone who understands love knows that love does not rule by might and power as does the material world. Anyone who understands love would recognize the lack of need for rules, laws and obedience. When a person believes he needs to obey he must find a law or rule or commanment to follow. The poor translations make refference to God and Jesus commanding us to love. Thay would be like a father commanding his little girl to sit on his lap, hug him and love him!!! That is servitude not love and it us usually fear based.
As we see and perceive the love of God poured out on us through Jesus and all the forgiveness and purification that is given our hearts will run over with that love and it will extend outwardly to our brothers and sisters who don't know or recognize the truth as yet.
Thank you God, for your wonderful gift through Jesus for all who will accept and believe. God blesses all, (that includes homosexuals). I, like Jesus, do not condemn anyone! IMO, TK
TKwhat is LOVE, i mean God love, Christ Love, what is it ??
Pierre
Pierre: Excellent question! I was trying to give a description of love which is not easy to do. The Bible gives us a description of the fruit produced by one that loves at Gal.5:22
the fruit of the spirit of God or love is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, against such there is no law. So when bearing that fruit to others there is no law against.If one is filled with love and bearing love fruit there is no law, rules, orders, commands, do's,don'ts etc.
It seems to me the people that worry the most about rules and laws and obeying orders are the ones who don't understand their own purification from God. If God says you are perfect then there is no more argument about that subject. That is what you are!! Colossians 1:21
Knowing that is the truth, creates the love inside you and a peace and a joy that fills your soul, that came from God through his gift of Jesus.
There is only one will of God today and always, love!
When one accepts that love and fullness from God he is changed from a natural man to a Godly man in Christ. This man doesn't look for ways to kill, steal, and destroy. This man looks at all his brothers and sisters and sees their perfection as well as his own and treats them as perfect brothers and sisters in Christ.
No more judging what they do or don't do. No more condemning for what you might think is wrong or right. Loving yourself as God has loved you and holding nothing against yourself(self judgment) leaves pure love to spread to all.
Let those who believe in evil, believe in sin, believe in a future happening that must come someday for their salvation live in their own judgment.
This is the light of God come forth to expose evil, burn it away and leave the seed of God in the earth.
For the believers there is love and freedom unlimited in God through Jesus our lord. This is my opinion based on the truth I see in Jesus who paid it all. God bless those who believe, TK
TK
Ro 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Ro 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Ro 13:9 The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him”1Co 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal
tim,to me LOVE is very simple,God loved us first and what he wants from us is to become like him in spirit,
it mean be the first to give to others and not the last,Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”teaching to others the spirit of Christ because love is to give never to take.
this is what true Christians have to learn and practice night and day until there is only LOVE is left in them,those to me are the real winners but LOVE of God tells the truth of the one they love that is God there father,
it is new and complex that LOVE, God want us to learn so wewe should learn it and developing it with true understanding.
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,07:56) Tim Kraft, Jesus did not break the law of Moses by not inflicting the punishment of death on her. Rather he upheld it for in showing mercy and commanding her to change her ways he showed love to her and thus did as God does. Do you not understand the parable of the gardener who showed mercy to the fig tree, Luke 13:6-9?
Kerwin: If the law said thou shalt not commit adultery and the woman, caught in the act, committed adultery, then she broke the law no matter how you sugar coat it! By todays laws Jesus would be charged as an accessory to the crime or aiding and abetting a crime.The law of Moses doesn't declare a punishment as far as I know, it just says thou shalt not commit adultery! Now man had made up many rules and punishments to go along with the law. But did the original ten laws had no punishments listed?
Did Jesus break the law of the Sabbath by working and picking corn and walking through the fields?
Did Jesus follow ceremonial washings? No! He ate and drank with unwashen hands.
Did Jesus eat and drink with publicans and sinners that was not lawful for him to do?
Did Jesus tithe? No, he didn't even pay the temple tax until they came to him for it. Tithing is not included in the ten commandments.
I do understand that Jesus cursed the fig tree that it would bear no more fruit. Wasn't Israel considered to be the fig tree?
Religion must be dropped to find the truth and stop sugar coating it to fit. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 30 2010,00:02) Those who need a law or commandment to follow have not the love of God in their heart. If they had the pure love of God, dwelling within, they could produce only the byproduct of that love. One born of God has the love of God to give out to others. A branch grafted into the tree of life partakes of the life force/love contained within. So are we who are grafted into the love of God through Jesus free of any laws or rules of obedience because they are not needed. Anyone who understands love knows that love does not rule by might and power as does the material world. Anyone who understands love would recognize the lack of need for rules, laws and obedience. When a person believes he needs to obey he must find a law or rule or commanment to follow. The poor translations make refference to God and Jesus commanding us to love. Thay would be like a father commanding his little girl to sit on his lap, hug him and love him!!! That is servitude not love and it us usually fear based.
As we see and perceive the love of God poured out on us through Jesus and all the forgiveness and purification that is given our hearts will run over with that love and it will extend outwardly to our brothers and sisters who don't know or recognize the truth as yet.
Thank you God, for your wonderful gift through Jesus for all who will accept and believe. God blesses all, (that includes homosexuals). I, like Jesus, do not condemn anyone! IMO, TK
Tim Kraft…………> Well said brother.“NOT BY POWER OR BY MIGHT BUT BY (MY SPIRIT) SAYS THE ETERNAL”.
You don't even need to know any of the commandments to Keep them all, as the gentiles were, it is (all) a matter of the Heart that (GOD) CREATES with (in) US. “THE LOVE OF GOD SHED AROUND IN OUR HEARTS”, No man will ever get the Glory for what GOD the Father (ALONE) does. IMO
“BY WORKS OF LAW SHALL (NO) FLESH SHALL BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD', , 'FOR IT IS GOD WHO WORKS IN US (BOTH) TO WILL AND DO OF (HIS) GOOD PLEASURE”. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,15:19) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,07:56) Tim Kraft, Jesus did not break the law of Moses by not inflicting the punishment of death on her. Rather he upheld it for in showing mercy and commanding her to change her ways he showed love to her and thus did as God does. Do you not understand the parable of the gardener who showed mercy to the fig tree, Luke 13:6-9?
Hi Kerwin,Tim doesn't understand that righteousness fulfills “The Law”!
For some strange reason it seems like he wants a 'loophole'.
Is he trying to justify something in his mind that's corrupt?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ and kerwinTim ,is right in what he says and truthful
you do not understand what happen in Jesus behavior to the adultery women
there is yet more to it
Pierre
Tim,
You appear not to know the laws of Moses or of certain scriptures in the New Testament. First the Ten Commandments are only part of The Law of Mosses which all came from God. The difference between it and the rest of the Law is that God spoke it and the people heard him speaking and were so frightened that they begged him to use Moses as a mediator after that. It is still all his Commandments. The commanded the whole law is based on was not even one of the Ten Commandments though it is part of the law, Leviticus 19:18.
Scripture declares Jesus was born under the law, Galatians 4:4 and so according to God if he disobeyed the Law God would curse him, Deuteronomy 28:15 as God does not lie. So perhaps you should reconsider understanding his actions in line with his keeping all the law of Mosses.
Let’s take the case of the woman caught in the act of adultery. The law states not only that it is banned, Exodus 20:14 and Deuteronomy 5:18, but also that the punishment is death, Leviticus 20:10. Jesus then interpreted the Law according to the sum of the Law which is love your neighbor, Romans 13:9. To correctly understand his interpretation of the event, just look to the parable of the fig tree and the gardener in Luke 13:6-9. God demands the woman be put to death but Jesus petitions him to spare her life for a time while he fertilizes and cares for her with the word of God in the hope she will change her ways and become fruitful. God relents and allows the woman a chance to change her ways. In a like manner we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and so are under the sentence of death and God has shown mercy and allowed us time to change our ways.
If you are still having trouble with the rest of the scriptures you addressed after considering these scripture and what I wrote in relationship to them then we will address them. It will probably be best to address them separately except when the answer to more than one are related.
References:
Leviticus 19:18 reads:
Quote “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 28:15(NIV) reads:
Quote However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:
Galatians 4:4(NIV) reads:
Quote But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Exodus 20:14(NIV) reads:
Quote
“You shall not commit adultery.
Deuteronomy 5:18 reads:Quote “You shall not commit adultery.
Leviticus 20:10(NIV) reads:
Quote “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
Romans 13:9 reads:
Quote The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Luke 13:6-9(NIV) reads:
Quote Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
“‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”
Kerwin: What kind of law would one have that makes threats of death for doing an act(adultery, et.al.) but then relents and forgives the act? Does God have special respect for certain persons and so kill some and hold them to the law but relent and let others go free?
Isn't it true that Jesus became sin for us and took upon himself the curse of God that the blessings may be for all? ….for cursed is any man that hangeth on a tree….!
Are you saying that we are now under the Law of Moses/ten commandments and many more commandments that God spoke but that are not even written for our instruction so that we might follow them to be perfected unto God?
Where is the daily sacrifice? Not a jot or title can pass UNTIL all is fulfilled. The sacrifice ended with Jesus and so did the law!
If following the any law does not make the worshipper perfect unto God then how can we ever be in union with God/perfection.
If we are still under the law of works for perfection then why did Jesus have to die?
Do you agree that it is FAITH that pleases God? There is no faith in works of the law! There is boasting but no faith!
Thank you for your answers on the previous post. God Bless you, TK
Kerwin: Is it the same God who gave moses the ten commandments and a host of other commandments, that said, “thou shalt not kill” and then at certain times sent his chosen few into towns and villages to kill, steal, and totally destroy men, women and children along with animals and then divide up the spoils to make his people rich? Could these things be considered an “aspect” of a loving God or “the wrath side” of God? The God of Jesus is pure light ….in which there is no darkness at all…!
Do you believe that the most High God of Love made deals with chosen groups of people for help and protection (like the Mafia) in exchange for mass killings wiping out certain people?
Do you believe that the gods of destruction revealed in the old testament were the same God of Love as revealed by Jesus?
You might say and I agree, that the prophets of old heard God within and wrote what they heard. I say others of the religious order attempted to hear God and heard destruction and killing and proclaimed it as truth from God that many accepted as their truth.
Are we presently under the law of “…an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth…” or did the law change to …you will reap what you sow…!
If the law of Moses or the Levitical Law or any Jewish laws were good and righteous and produced the perfect man unto God then what is your opinion of why Jesus came to save the world? Save them from what? Save them from sin? You say we are all in sin so apparantly that didn't work!
I believe the religious world order that cannonized the books of the Bible and brought forth the old testament laws of destruction to intermix with the new covenant law of love, has caused great destruction in the world. If the peace and love of Jesus was manifested on this planet there would be perfection, hear, now! Thoughts to ponder, awaiting correction from any and all but Ed! Bless all, TK
Thank you, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 31 2010,21:47) Kerwin: Is it the same God who gave moses the ten commandments and a host of other commandments, that said, “thou shalt not kill” and then at certain times sent his chosen few into towns and villages to kill… Thank you, TK
Hi Tim,You show how little you know “God's word”!
Thou shalt not kill means: You shall not commit premeditated criminal homicide.
You do know what premeditated criminal homicide is, do you not?
Criminals are killed. And we kill animals for food.
People are killed in war as well!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 31 2010,21:47) Thoughts to ponder, awaiting correction from any and all but Ed! Bless all, TK
Hi Tim,“Once the freedom of speech is impinged, the voice of truth ceases to be heard.” …Ed J
Prob.23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Provb.3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
You don't get to make up FAKE RULES for me to follow any more than Kathi does!
Posting “The Truth” is not against any of the rules; I read them carefully!“Truth is truth regardless who says it.” …Ed J
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All,
My last Post is only The Truth!
To some “The Truth” may seem objectionable,
but I suggest we all grow up in the Spirit of Christ! (2Peter 3:17-18)2Peter 3:17-18 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware
lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now
and for ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All,
Every one of us shall give account of himself to God. (Rom. 14:12)
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That
man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Mathew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man
shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that
proceedeth out of “The Mouth of God” (YHVH).2Peter 3:17-18 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked,
fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the
knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be
glory both now and for ever. Amen.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 31 2010,22:51) To All, My last Post is only The Truth!
To some “The Truth” may seem objectionable,
but I suggest we all grow up in the Spirit of Christ! (2Peter 3:17-18)2Peter 3:17-18 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware
lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now
and for ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
.Acts 5:39 But If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it;
lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.Isaiah 54:15,17 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me:
whosoever shall gather together against thee(Ed J) shall fall for thy sake.
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that
shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage
of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.Jer.15:20 And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brasen wall:
and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee:
for I with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, saith the LORD. And I will deliver
thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible..
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 30 2010,20:42) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,07:56) Tim Kraft, Jesus did not break the law of Moses by not inflicting the punishment of death on her. Rather he upheld it for in showing mercy and commanding her to change her ways he showed love to her and thus did as God does. Do you not understand the parable of the gardener who showed mercy to the fig tree, Luke 13:6-9?
Kerwin: If the law said thou shalt not commit adultery and the woman, caught in the act, committed adultery, then she broke the law no matter how you sugar coat it! (1) By todays laws Jesus would be charged as an accessory to the crime or aiding and abetting a crime.(2) The law of Moses doesn't declare a punishment as far as I know, it just says thou shalt not commit adultery! (3) Now man had made up many rules and punishments to go along with the law. But did the original ten laws had no punishments listed?
(4) Did Jesus break the law of the Sabbath by working and picking corn and walking through the fields?
(5) Did Jesus follow ceremonial washings? No! He ate and drank with unwashen hands.
(6) Did Jesus eat and drink with publicans and sinners that was not lawful for him to do?
(7) Did Jesus tithe? No, he didn't even pay the temple tax until they came to him for it. (8) Tithing is not included in the ten commandments.
(9) I do understand that Jesus cursed the fig tree that it would bear no more fruit. Wasn't Israel considered to be the fig tree?
(10) Religion must be dropped to find the truth and stop sugar coating it to fit. TK
Hi Tim and Gene,1) Jesus stated why the law was written, do you not understand the purpose of “The Law”?
We don't have laws against anyone who has no sin not casting the first stone at a women caught in adultery!2) Then maybe you should read your bible a little more; no?
The punishments are clearly written out; what to you think the Pharisees were up to?3) Prove what you say (if you can)! (1Thess.5:21)
4) False; he had no home to stay close to! (Lev.23:3)
5) Hygiene is to keep us healthy, Do you not yet understand?
6) You should read the bible a bit more, don't you think?
7) We pay more then 10% to our Government.
8) You are correct.
9) Compare to the unproductive servant. (Luke 19:24-27)
10) James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father
is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All………….This thread is doing what all the other threads do when we start introducing other subjects into it. Fact is Paul said we have not come to that mountain to (FEAR) As they (Isrealites did) He also said (NO) flesh shall be Justified before GOD (BY) works of Law. He also said for all the law is fulfilled by (ONE) WORD “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF” Because LOVE Fulfills (ALL) the Law. All who are of GOD have Become a NEW CREATION, having been transformed by the renewing of their Minds, all of this is done by GOD the FATHER. Not by the works of Man or the LAW. “FOR THE GENTILES THAT HAVE NOT THE LAW , BUT DO THE THINGS CONTAINED IN THEM SHOW THE LAW OF GOD WRITTEN IN THE HEARTS (BY THE HAND OF GOD”, But men love (SELF) Righteousness not GODLY Righteousness, A righteousness that comes from GOD ALONE> Well has Jesus said all that came before HIM were liars and thieves , the carnal mind is a liar and a thief trying to steal glory from GOD by applying righteousness to their own efforts for self glory. Why did Paul say you are CREATED unto GOOD WORKS then, if it is something we do on our own. “The (FEARFUL AND UNBELIEVING WILL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE OF FIRE”.
It does not matter how many LAW you Know it can never in a million years make you a righteous person, that takes the SPIRIT(intellect) of the LIVING GOD, By way of transforming our minds and Heart to conform to the way GOD thinks and to have the same Love in our Hearts as GOD the FATHER does. IMO
Tim is right in what he is saying it is from the SPIRIT, we are CREATED BY the HAND of GOD, in our Hearts unto good works. You have it right Tim. All who try to strive unto righteousness through works of law are under a curse, just as Paul said they were. Saying “Whosoever is under the works of the law is under a curse”. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………..gene
Gene,
The discussion I am currently having with Tim is about how Jesus properly interpreted the law using the command of love your neighbor as a “code breaker”. There is some additional points to understanding the law that I intend to make.
This discussion is on topic as you must understand God's dispensation of the law to understand how it differs from his dispensation of the spirit.
God is both just and merciful and both must be included in a loving balance when discussing the crimes of man and the punishment God measures out for them.
Tim Kraft,
We are taught that God is love. Whether that is a literal or figurative statement I do not know. What I do know is that God loves us and that all true love that is displayed by any one of his creations comes from him.
You ask what law would state the maximum penalty for a crime then mitigate that penalty due to the circumstances. I do not know of any law code that does not do something to that effect. God’s law expresses the love he feels for each of us and calls us to love as he does and the just penalty he proposes as well as the mitigating and aggravating circumstances of a person’s life style is considered in his dispensing of justice. In the case of the women being judged for adultery there can be said to be two women being judged. The first woman is the woman who chose to sin and the second woman is the future one who chose to sin no more. God considered both women and for the sake of the second whose past deed would not be imputed to her he spared the guilty one. What the second woman had done in the past was of no matter as it is her present character that God judges and that he finds innocent of sin. Should the actual woman not change her ways then she would remain guilty of sin and thus subject to the penalty of sin.
You ask about God banning killing. That command to must be interpreted in respect to both God’s love for us and his desire that we love others as ourselves. If one fulfills the law of love by killing then you keeping the law. Defending oneself or others from intentional violence could well be considered loving depending on the circumstances. To sit and do nothing when you see a way to aid those in need is considered aiding and abetting the wrongdoer who has placed themselves under judgment by their actions. Jesus taught to interpret the law according to God’s desires for us love one another, thus healing on the Sabbath does not violate the law.
The washing of hands is a Pharisee interpretation of the law as far as I can tell as I do not recall it being written in the law. There are washings in the law but they are a symbol of the Spirit, in its role of Councilor, to come. I see no evidence Jesus did not perform the later.
The only way Jesus can take on our curse is if he is not cursed as well. As that is so he must be obedient to the correct interpretation of the law.
Gentiles have never fully been under the Law of Moses, even those that dwelled among the children of Israel. To the extend they were under the law those that live by the Spirit satisfy those requirements. As to the Children of Israel, it is their law of the land legislated by God and like any people of God they are to obey the authorities God placed over them. They too will satisfy the requirements that apply to them by walking according to the same Spirit.
There is but one God who operates under different circumstances at different times. Some of the events of the old testament are a symbol of things to come as the people did not even have the Law of Moses until they exited Egypt and at no time did they have the Spirit as Councilor as it did not come to the general believer until after Jesus ascended to heaven to take his throne on the right side of God, Jesus being the one exception.
Justice is Justice no matter the time. The law only stated a maximum just penalty for a crime at the national level. The just penalty for any sin is death which is why it is written “the wages of sin is death.” The difference is they had to use human effort to overcome their sins while we have the power of God at our disposal. Paul warned people not to fall back on the old way now that a better way is available. God did not change.
A believer is made sinless by walking according to the Spirit and that can only be done by faith. To have such faith you must believe God can and will make you righteous as he is righteous.
Jesus died so that the world would be condemned and that the Spirit would dwell in those that believe as the Councilor. That is just a summary as it would take longer to add a more extensive explanation.
Those under the law also are recorded as having faith. Their faith was based on what God revealed to them which is different than what he has revealed to us. At all times “the righteous live by faith.”
This is enough for now as the answers within should help you find the answers to your other questions.
Kerwin; Thanks for your response. We don't see eye to eye but I sense the passion and compassion from you as you write. You are factual and firm with your beliefs, which I would expect, yet kind and non-agressive. Even with great separation of beliefs I appreciate your application. Thank you. You are much better versed in the Laws of the old testament than I. I have learned some things. God bless you, TK
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