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  • #228463
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all,

    This is a continuation from the thread titled The Jewish Messiah. Anyone feel free to join the discussion.

    Laurel,

    My point is for you to tell a Gentile he must obey the custom of Jews to please God is evil as it would be for a Gentile to tell you, a Jew, that you must act like a Gentile to please God. That is not the blessing of the Spirit of God.

    Do you not know you Jewish teaching about the seven Laws of Noah which must be adhered to by both the Jews and the Gentiles? The seven Laws do not include one to keep the Sabbath day holy. The Law of Moses is the nation of Israel obedience to the seven Laws of Noah. Jesus summed up the Seven Laws and thus the Law of Moses as love your neighbor as yourself. The result of living by the Spirit is to love your neighbor as yourself. So when you love you keep God’s commands including obeying the law of the land and keeping your pledges to God.

    As a Jew your pledge is to obey the law of Mosses but as a Gentile I made or inherited no such pledge. Never the less I am still commanded to love my neighbor as myself in the way God intends. Such love does give you the rest of God’s Sabbath as you do not sin.

    #228464
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    Surly you misunderstand the purpose of the Sabbath.
    It is a day of rest (for us) from all physical weekly work.
    And like “the Prophet” Elisha asked for a double portion,
    We now in the U.S.A. have “two” days per-week for rest.
    It has absolutely nothing to do with trying to please God!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228465
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    Were the 10 commandments done away with? Of course NOT! (1John 2:3-4)

    Deut.6:1-2 Now these are the “commandments”, the “statutes”, and the “judgments”,
    which the LORD(YHVH) your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them
    in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God,
    to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and
    thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

    The mount of transfiguration illustrates these three.
    Moses: The Commandments; “10” Old & “2” New.
    Elijah: The Judgments; rewards & punishments.
    Jesus: The Statues; Jesus fulfilled the statues
    (contained in ordinances), doing away with.
     
                                                 
    Eph.2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
    even the law of commandments
     contained in ordinances;
    for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
    So we can see there is difference between LAW and and ordinances?
    10-2 Has a fractal counterpart: 10 Northern tribes and 2 Southern tribes.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228466
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    Were the 10 commandments done away with? Of course NOT! (1John 2:3-4)

    Deut.6:1-2 Now these are the “commandments”, the “statutes”, and the “judgments”,
    which the LORD(YHVH) your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them
    in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God,
    to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and
    thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

    The mount of transfiguration illustrates these three.
    Moses: The Commandments; “10” Old & “2” New.
    Elijah: The Judgments; rewards & punishments.
    Jesus: The Statues; Jesus fulfilled the statues
    (contained in ordinances), doing away with.
     
                                                 
    Eph.2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
    even the law of commandments
     contained in ordinances;
    for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
    So we can see there is difference between “The Law” and ordinances?
    10-2 Has a fractal counterpart: 10 Northern tribes and 2 Southern tribes.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228479
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed J.,

    God commands the Children of Israel and all who dwell in the land of the twelve tribes to obey all the commands in the law of Mosses and the Sabbath is one.

    Still, God did give the Sabbath as a bleshing to the Hebrews and the Gentiles dwelling in Israel and Judah.

    The Ten Commandments like the rest of the law is fullfilled by living by the Spirit.  The Law of Mosses though is a particular application of the Law of God addressed to the Children of Israel and the Gentiles living in the land of the Twelve Tribes.

    #228482
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2010,22:15)
    Ed J.,

    God commands the Children of Israel and all who dwell in the land of the twelve tribes to obey all the commands in the law of Mosses and the Sabbath is one.

    Still, God did give the Sabbath as a bleshing to the Hebrews and the Gentiles dwelling in Israel and Judah.

    The Ten Commandments like the rest of the law is fullfilled by living by the Spirit.  The Law of Mosses though is a particular application of the Law of God addressed to the Children of Israel and the Gentiles living in the land of the Twelve Tribes.


    Hi Kerwin,

    What exactly are you trying to say;
    because it is very ‘unclear’ to me?
    Could you use different words?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228485
    Tim Kraft
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2010,22:15)
    Ed J.,

    God commands the Children of Israel and all who dwell in the land of the twelve tribes to obey all the commands in the law of Mosses and the Sabbath is one.

    Still, God did give the Sabbath as a bleshing to the Hebrews and the Gentiles dwelling in Israel and Judah.

    The Ten Commandments like the rest of the law is fullfilled by living by the Spirit.  The Law of Mosses though is a particular application of the Law of God addressed to the Children of Israel and the Gentiles living in the land of the Twelve Tribes.


    Kerwin: Bless you, I agree with your truth that the Ten Commandments like the rest of the law, is fulfilled by living in the Spirit.

    As near as I can tell, one that lives in the Spirit of Christ is:Gal.3:28….neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: we are all ONE in Christ and heirs of the promise to Abraham.

    The ot physical became nt spiritual at the arrival of Christ Jesus and his spirit/words of God message for whosoever will believe. IMO, TK

    #228536
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed J.

    According to the Seven Laws of Noah God commands each nation to make godly laws.  He also commanded each of his people to obey the laws he put over them.  God then chose the 12 Tribes and made laws for both them and the nation they would come to inhabit.   A non-Hebrew resident of Greece would not obey the laws of Israel.  On the other hand if he moved to Israel he would.  The Hebrews are different as some laws bind them because they are chosen by God.  The Hebrews are no more different than the Gentiles than a citizen of the U.S. is from a citizen of England though they have different national authorities over them.

    #228541
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,00:16)
    I agree with your truth that the Ten Commandments like the rest of the law, is fulfilled by living in the Spirit.


    Kerwin…….> i agree with that also brother.

    peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

    #228575
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 12 2010,06:37)
    Ed J.

    According to the Seven Laws of Noah God commands each nation to make godly laws.  He also commanded each of his people to obey the laws he put over them.  God then chose the 12 Tribes and made laws for both them and the nation they would come to inhabit.   A non-Hebrew resident of Greece would not obey the laws of Israel.  On the other hand if he moved to Israel he would.  The Hebrews are different as some laws bind them because they are chosen by God.  The Hebrews are no more different than the Gentiles than a citizen of the U.S. is from a citizen of England though they have different national authorities over them.


    Hi Kerwin,

    We don't have to follow mans laws, only God's laws!
    Which are the 10 commandments that Jesus explained as two!

    Isa:42:21: The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake;
    Jesus' will magnify the law(“Two” commandments), and make it honorable.
    1John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228612
    gollamudi
    Participant

    Here is how a Jew outrightly rejects Christian's view of abolishion  of law of God. (taken from the book “The Grounds of Christianity Examined by Comparing The New Testament with the Old”)

    “A very great part of Dogmatic Theology among Christians is founded upon the notion
    that the Jewish Law was a temporary dispensation, only to exist till the coming of Jesus,
    when it was to be superseded by a more perfect dispensation.
    On the contrary, the Jews are persuaded that their Law is of perpetual obligation, and the
    Doctrine of the Trinity itself is hardly more offensive to them, and, as they think, more
    contradictory to the Scriptures, than the notion of the abrogation of it. Now, that the Jews
    are on the right side of this question, i. e., arguing from the Old Testament, I shall
    endeavour to prove by several arguments. They are all comprised in these positions, 1.
    That the Mosaic Institutions are most solemnly, and repeatedly declared to be perpetual;
    and we have no account of their being abrogated, or to be abrogated in the Old
    Testament. 2. They are declared to be perpetual by Jesus himself, and were adhered to by
    the twelve apostles.
    1. Nothing can be more expressly asserted in the Old Testament than the perpetual
    obligation of those rites which were to distinguish the Jews from other nations. It appears,
    for instance, (from the 17th ch. of Genesis,) in the tenor of the covenant made with
    Abraham, that circumcision was to distinguish his posterity, to the end of time. It is called
    “ an everlasting covenant” to be kept by his posterity through all their generations. See
    the ch. where the condition of the covenant is, that God would give to Abraham and his
    posterity, the perpetual inheritance of the promised land with whatever privileges were
    implied in his being their God, on condition that their male children were circumcised in
    testimony of putting themselves under that covenant. There is no limitation with respect
    to time; nay it is expressly said that the covenant should be perpetual.
    The ordinance of the Passover is also said to be perpetual, Ex. xii. 14, &c. “ And this day
    shall be unto you for a memorial, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout
    your generations. You shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.” This is repeated
    afterwards, and the observance of this rite is confined to Israelites, Proselytes, and slaves
    who should be circumcised, v. 48.
    The observance of the Sabbath was never to be discontinued, Ex. xxxi. 16. “ Wherefore
    the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual
    covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever.”
    The appointment of the Family of Aaron to be Priests, was to continue as long as the
    Israelites should be a nation. See Lev. vii. 35.
    The Feast of Tabernacles was to be forever. Lev. xxiii. 41. “It shall be a statute for ever,
    in your generations.” The observance of this Festival is particularly mentioned in the
    prophecies, which foretell a future settlement of the Jews in their own land, as obligatory
    on all the world ; as if an union of worship at Jerusalem was to be, according to them,
    effected among all nations by the united observance of this Festival there, see Zech. 14 ;
    what he there says is confirmed by what Isaiah prophecied concerning the same period.
    Is. 2. “It shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall
    be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all
    nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go, and say, Come ye, and let us go up
    to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, and He will teach us of his
    ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the Law, and the word
    of the Lord from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and rebuke many
    people, and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning
    hooks. Nation. shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any
    more.”
    With respect to all the Laws of Moses, it is evident from the manner in which they were
    promulgated, that they were intended to be of perpetual obligation upon the Hebrew
    nation, and that by the observance of them they were to be distinguished from the other
    nations, see Deut. xxvi. 16.
    The observance of their peculiar Laws was the express condition on which the Israelites
    were to continue in possession of the promised land ; and though on account of their
    disobedience they were to be driven out of it, they had the strongest assurances given
    them that they should never be utterly destroyed, like many other nations who should
    oppress them; but that on their repentance God would gather them from the remote parts
    of the world, and bring them to their own country again. And both Moses, and the later
    Prophets assure them, that in consequence of their becoming obedient to God in all
    things, which it is asserted they will, (and which may be the natural consequence of the
    discipline they will have gone through,) they shall be continued in the peaceable
    enjoyment of the land of promise, in its greatest extent to the end of time. See to this
    purpose Deut. iv. 25, &c. ; also. Deut. 30, where it is thus written.
    “And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the
    curse, which I have set before thee, and shalt call them to mind among all the nations
    whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee; and shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and
    shall obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children,
    with all thy heart, and with all thy soul; that, then, the Lord thy God will turn thy
    captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return, and gather thee from all the
    nations whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto
    the utmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from
    thence will he fetch thee. And the Lord thy God will bring thee unto the Land which thy
    Fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it, and He will do thee good, and multiply thee
    above thy Fathers. And the Lord thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy
    seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest
    live; and the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that
    hate thee, which persecuted thee. And thou shalt return, and obey the voice of the Lord,
    and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.”

    #228616
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    When importing someone else's opinion,
    you are required to provide a link
    to the source of the opinion.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228618
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To All…………..”All the Law is fulfilled in one word you shall love you brother as yourself. Love is not a group og LAWS, it is a mind set caused by the effectual working of GOD'S Spirit (IN) our Hearts. It doesn't even matter if you have never ever heard One word of the Law, “for by obedience to the law shall (NO) Flesh be justified before GOD”. “WE are saved by GRACE not by Works of Law lest any boast”> IMO

    The laws of God are holy just and good, able to instruct a person about rightness, but totally helpless in causing a person to become right in their hearts and minds, that takes the Spirit of the Living GOD, shed around in our hearts. That is the Love of GOD and that love fulfill (ALL) the Law and the commandments. All those who are of GOD are a (NEW CREATION), “CREATED” UNTO GOOD WORKS”> There is only one creator and that is GOD the Father himself. IMO

    peace and love to you all………………………………..gene

    #228620
    Tim Kraft
    Participant

    Gene, excellent post, full of truth.

    Gollimudi: What is almost totally missing in the religious world today is spiritual understanding of the words of God. Spirit is the world of mind, thought, dreams and visions. When reading the prophets as in Is.2 above God speaks in pictures and dreams. God is not speaking to a city or town or mountains. The prophesies are all written to either Gods people or those that reject(Jesus) God. All prophecy is leading up unto Jesus Christ and his ministry. As you read understand that at V1 he is talking to Judah and Jerusalem. The inhabitants of the city, some believers, some rejectors. V2…and it will come to pass in the last days (this is the day of the lord) the lords house shall be established(the new temple)….V3….to the house of the God of Jacob, and he (God/Jesus) will teach us his ways,(spirit words) and we will walk in his paths (Jesus leads us in the path of righteousness) for out of Mt.Zion (Jesus the rock) shall go forth the law (Jesus' truth of God) and the word of the lord(Jesus) from Jerusalem…

    All the prophets are saying the same thing, in like manner, over and over, chapter after chapter. Very repititious so no one could miss what God was saying. Wow did we miss it!

    V10….enter into the rock(Jesus) and hide thee in the dust for the fear of the lord (on non-believers)….The prophets were constantly predicting what is to come in the day of the lord (Jesus) and what is going to happen to those who can't make the change from the physical old test. way to the new spirit way of cleansing with Gods words. God Bless, TK

    #228646
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Scripture does not support the idea that “we don’t have to follow man’s laws” since man is subject to God and thus man’s laws are God’s laws unless they are clearly in disobedience to God. This is clear in scripture. I can give them if you desire and voice it.

    God’s commands, including obey the authorities, is summed up in the command to love.

    #228671
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2010,23:32)
    To All…………..”All the Law is fulfilled in one word you shall love you brother as yourself. Love is not a group og LAWS, it is a mind set caused by the effectual working of GOD'S Spirit (IN) our Hearts. It doesn't even matter if you have never ever heard One word of the Law, “for by obedience to the law shall (NO) Flesh be justified before GOD”. “WE are saved by GRACE not by Works of Law lest any boast”> IMO

    The laws of God are holy just and good, able to instruct a person about rightness, but totally helpless in causing a person to become right in their hearts and minds, that takes the Spirit of the Living GOD, shed around in our hearts. That is the Love of GOD and that love fulfill (ALL) the Law and the commandments. All those who are of GOD are a (NEW CREATION), “CREATED” UNTO GOOD WORKS”> There is only one creator and that is GOD the Father himself. IMO

    peace and love to you all………………………………..gene


    Hi Gene,

    Excellent Post brother!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228672
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2010,08:02)
    Ed J,

    Scripture does not support the idea that “we don’t have to follow man’s laws” since man is subject to God and thus man’s laws are God’s laws unless they are clearly in disobedience to God. This is clear in scripture. I can give them if you desire and voice it.

    God’s commands, including obey the authorities, is summed up in the command to love.


    Hi Kerwin,

    Then you agree that the 10 commandments were
    given by YHVH and are NOT done away with; right?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #228676
    gollamudi
    Participant

    Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 13 2010,01:02)
    Gene, excellent post, full of truth.

    Gollimudi: What is almost totally missing in the religious world today is spiritual understanding of the words of God. Spirit is the world of mind, thought, dreams and visions. When reading the prophets as in Is.2 above God speaks in pictures and dreams. God is not speaking to a city or town or mountains. The prophesies are all written to either Gods people or those that reject(Jesus) God.  All prophecy is leading up unto Jesus Christ and his ministry. As you read understand that at V1 he is talking to Judah and Jerusalem. The inhabitants of the city, some believers, some rejectors. V2…and it will come to pass in the last days (this is the day of the lord) the lords house shall be established(the new temple)….V3….to the house of the God of Jacob, and he (God/Jesus) will teach us his ways,(spirit words) and we will walk in his paths (Jesus leads us in the path of righteousness) for out of Mt.Zion (Jesus the rock) shall go forth the law (Jesus' truth of God) and the word of the lord(Jesus) from Jerusalem…

    All the prophets are saying the same thing, in like manner, over and over, chapter after chapter. Very repititious so no one could miss what God was saying. Wow did we miss it!

    V10….enter into the rock(Jesus) and hide thee in the dust for the fear of the lord (on non-believers)….The prophets were constantly predicting what is to come in the day of the lord (Jesus) and what is going to happen to those who can't make the change from the physical old test. way to the new spirit way of cleansing with Gods words. God Bless, TK


    Hi brother Tim Kraft,
    Thanks for your response on my post. But I can't agree with that view of yours. It is purely Christian interpretation. No Jew will agree with you on Jesus. There are so many flaws in Christian interpretation of Hebrew scriptures.

    I am sorry
    Peace to you
    Adam

    #228703
    Tim Kraft
    Participant

    Gollamudi: I do not know your faith but I would not expect any Jew to accept the new testament through Jesus the Christ. They hated him and had him killed! Everything the Jews represented and did was changed by Jesus. A complete new way.

    The Jewish hierarchy, the highest positions in the Jewish religion at that time, contrived, pursued and insisted to the Romans that had the power to kill him, the death of Jesus of Nazareth.

    Now as per the New Testament all are invited to accept the Kingdom of God within and the spirit words of Jesus within themselves by faith. All the gifts from God to mankind are for whosoever will receive or accept by faith. No labels, no one rejected, no one not accepted, all invited. Now, as far a God is concerned, there is no Jew,or Gentile, or bond or free or male or female. All are ONE in Kingdom of God.
    A follower of Jesus is what I am. To the best of my ability. God bless you Adam you are peaceful! TK

    #228706
    theodorej
    Participant

    Quote (gollamudi @ Dec. 12 2010,22:35)
    Here is how a Jew outrightly rejects Christian's view of abolishion  of law of God. (taken from the book “The Grounds of Christianity Examined by Comparing The New Testament with the Old”)

    “A very great part of Dogmatic Theology among Christians is founded upon the notion
    that the Jewish Law was a temporary dispensation, only to exist till the coming of Jesus,
    when it was to be superseded by a more perfect dispensation.
    On the contrary, the Jews are persuaded that their Law is of perpetual obligation, and the
    Doctrine of the Trinity itself is hardly more offensive to them, and, as they think, more
    contradictory to the Scriptures, than the notion of the abrogation of it. Now, that the Jews
    are on the right side of this question, i. e., arguing from the Old Testament, I shall
    endeavour to prove by several arguments. They are all comprised in these positions, 1.
    That the Mosaic Institutions are most solemnly, and repeatedly declared to be perpetual;
    and we have no account of their being abrogated, or to be abrogated in the Old
    Testament. 2. They are declared to be perpetual by Jesus himself, and were adhered to by
    the twelve apostles.
    1. Nothing can be more expressly asserted in the Old Testament than the perpetual
    obligation of those rites which were to distinguish the Jews from other nations. It appears,
    for instance, (from the 17th ch. of Genesis,) in the tenor of the covenant made with
    Abraham, that circumcision was to distinguish his posterity, to the end of time. It is called
    “ an everlasting covenant” to be kept by his posterity through all their generations. See
    the ch. where the condition of the covenant is, that God would give to Abraham and his
    posterity, the perpetual inheritance of the promised land with whatever privileges were
    implied in his being their God, on condition that their male children were circumcised in
    testimony of putting themselves under that covenant. There is no limitation with respect
    to time; nay it is expressly said that the covenant should be perpetual.
    The ordinance of the Passover is also said to be perpetual, Ex. xii. 14, &c. “ And this day
    shall be unto you for a memorial, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout
    your generations. You shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.” This is repeated
    afterwards, and the observance of this rite is confined to Israelites, Proselytes, and slaves
    who should be circumcised, v. 48.
    The observance of the Sabbath was never to be discontinued, Ex. xxxi. 16. “ Wherefore
    the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual
    covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever.”
    The appointment of the Family of Aaron to be Priests, was to continue as long as the
    Israelites should be a nation. See Lev. vii. 35.
    The Feast of Tabernacles was to be forever. Lev. xxiii. 41. “It shall be a statute for ever,
    in your generations.” The observance of this Festival is particularly mentioned in the
    prophecies, which foretell a future settlement of the Jews in their own land, as obligatory
    on all the world ; as if an union of worship at Jerusalem was to be, according to them,
    effected among all nations by the united observance of this Festival there, see Zech. 14 ;
    what he there says is confirmed by what Isaiah prophecied concerning the same period.
    Is. 2. “It shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall
    be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all
    nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go, and say, Come ye, and let us go up
    to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, and He will teach us of his
    ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the Law, and the word
    of the Lord from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and rebuke many
    people, and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning
    hooks. Nation. shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any
    more.”
    With respect to all the Laws of Moses, it is evident from the manner in which they were
    promulgated, that they were intended to be of perpetual obligation upon the Hebrew
    nation, and that by the observance of them they were to be distinguished from the other
    nations, see Deut. xxvi. 16.
    The observance of their peculiar Laws was the express condition on which the Israelites
    were to continue in possession of the promised land ; and though on account of their
    disobedience they were to be driven out of it, they had the strongest assurances given
    them that they should never be utterly destroyed, like many other nations who should
    oppress them; but that on their repentance God would gather them from the remote parts
    of the world, and bring them to their own country again. And both Moses, and the later
    Prophets assure them, that in consequence of their becoming obedient to God in all
    things, which it is asserted they will, (and which may be the natural consequence of the
    discipline they will have gone through,) they shall be continued in the peaceable
    enjoyment of the land of promise, in its greatest extent to the end of time. See to this
    purpose Deut. iv. 25, &c. ; also. Deut. 30, where it is thus written.
    “And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the
    curse, which I have set before thee, and shalt call them to mind among all the nations
    whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee; and shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and
    shall obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children,
    with all thy heart, and with all thy soul; that, then, the Lord thy God will turn thy
    captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return, and gather thee from all the
    nations whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto
    the utmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from
    thence will he fetch thee. And the Lord thy God will bring thee unto the Land which thy
    Fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it, and He will do thee good, and multiply thee
    above thy Fathers. And the Lord thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy
    seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest
    live; and the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that
    hate thee, which persecuted thee. And thou shalt return, and obey the voice of the Lord,
    and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.”


    Greetings G…. You are absolutely correct in your assertions and the closer we examine the Jewish phenomonon the more evident it becomes that the law has never changed and was never done away with…The first mention of the term Jew showed up in the book of kings…Most modernday christians do not realize that the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah very often fought with each other…The tribe of Judah to this day still holds the septre right and this will be revealed in the end times when Jesus who is a decendent of the tribe of judah will come to rule as King of Kings and Lord of Lords….The Jews are indeed living proof that the law as so designated by the eternal is for generation to generation even until forever…

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