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- December 15, 2009 at 11:58 pm#164581NickHassanParticipant
Hi TT,
You cannot write 50 words without using THEREFORE.
Is such reliance on your view so relevant?December 16, 2009 at 12:11 am#164585KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,10:58) Hi TT,
You cannot write 50 words without using THEREFORE.
Is such reliance on your view so relevant?
Paul used the word “therefore” quite a bit too (over 100 times not including Acts). Paul used the word more than once on every page of his writings.He was the master logician.
thinker
December 16, 2009 at 12:16 am#164587Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 15 2009,19:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,10:58) Hi TT,
You cannot write 50 words without using THEREFORE.
Is such reliance on your view so relevant?
Paul used the word “therefore” quite a bit too (over 100 times not including Acts). Paul used the word more than once on every page of his writings.He was the master logician.
thinker
When ever you see the word “Therefore” you should look to see what it is “therefore”!WJ
December 16, 2009 at 1:21 am#164603GeneBalthropParticipantDavid………if you read the story (carefully) enough you can tell who brought up the Subject of Job to the adversarial Spirit it was GOD not the adversarial Spirit. The adversarial Spirit (intellect) is one of GOD'S Seven Spirits, that goes to and fro throughout the whole earth. It was GOD who started of the whole conversation.
Here is where it say the LORD brought all the EVIL on JOB,
JOB 42:11…..> Then came unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him and comforted him over all the evil that the (LORD) had (brought) upon him;
God had to deal with Job for Job's sake. IMO
peace and love…………gene
December 16, 2009 at 4:31 am#164630davidParticipantQuote none of the speakers in Job spoke what is untrue in itself, just incomplete. –Nick
Eliphaz:
“Look! In his servants he [God] has no faith,
And his messengers [or “angels”, same word] he charges with faultiness.
How much more so with those dwelling in houses of clay, [meaning, “humans”]
Whose foundation is in the dust!
One crushes them more quickly than a moth.”So, Nick, you are worthless and meaningless to God. He has no faith in you. You are a moth to him, quickly crushed, and just as easily forgotten.
Does this sound like something true or something Satan would want people to believe?
Eliphaz falsely accused Job of all sorts of crimes—extortion, withholding water and bread from the needy, and oppressing widows and orphans.—Job 22.
So, Nick, you think Job was guilty of these things?
Eliphaz paints righteous Job as an apostate, living in tents of bribery, a man full of deceit. (Job 15)
Wow! But if this is true, that means that Job was not “blameless and upright.” Nick, how does your mind deal with this contradiction?
dave
December 16, 2009 at 5:34 am#164644kerwinParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 16 2009,05:17) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 16 2009,10:07) The Thinker, I have a question about how you understand what Bildad stated about the stars. Do you think Bildad was claiming that the stars were capable of sinning?
I don't know all that was in Bildad's mind. I know that he said that the stars are “unpure in His (God's) sight.” Job countered by saying the “God's Spirit adorned the heavens.” The stars therefore were not unpure in God's sight in Job's thinking.God saw everything that He created and it was “very good.”
thinker
I do not disagree with the fact that what God created is very good. My point is that it was subject to corruption because of the sins of mankind.December 22, 2009 at 9:34 pm#165929NickHassanParticipantHi TT,
Did Jesus call himself a worm in the prophecy of Ps22?December 23, 2009 at 1:02 am#166048terrariccaParticipanthi kerwin
that is free will men can chooce what they want to do ,of cause within there limits,on the other hand if you only think about your self then you realy don't care about your decissions and there influence on others,as long you have what you want.
Christ came to change that view,At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.this needs a little understanding
December 23, 2009 at 5:55 am#166097davidParticipantSo, Nick, you think Job was guilty of these things? [ See my post above ]
December 23, 2009 at 5:13 pm#166133GeneBalthropParticipantDavid………..Job was guilty of worse then what they were saying about him , he had become (SELF RIGHTEOUS) GOD had to deal with him in the manor He Did in order to save JOB from future disaster, Job was challenging GOD to enter into Judgment with HIM, pleading that he had done nothing wrong and He was being unfairly targeted by GOD. His mind was elevated by his self righteousness and GOD brought him down to where He finely said He Saw who He was and WHO GOD WAS, and He repented in dust and ashes, When his perspectives were realigned by GOD. He came to say, he had heard about God with the hearing of the ear, but now his eyes see Him, therefore he abhorred himself and repent in dust and ashes.
gene
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