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I believe that God promised that those who obey all Jesus teaches will stop sinning in this life. I use various scriptures including but not limited to Matthew 5:6 and John 8:34-36.
I believe that you must first believe that Jesus is the promised Anointed One and then choose to make him the Lord of your life. In making him the Lord of your life you then will choose to get immersed in water believe that a miracle of God will take place where your old spirit is put to death and a new spirit that is created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness is conceived.
I believe that conceived that spirit will grow and mature when fed on faith in God and so his Son Jesus and as one matures they will become more and more like Jesus in their actions each day.
I believe that it is because of our faith that God will fullfill his promise of making us sinless through faith in Jesus that it will be as if we have already received that promise and thus God will do as he promised though Ezekiel and forgive all our sins commited before that promise is complete.
Even though the fufillment of that promise depends on our faith, it is God that does the actual work of changing us so we no longer chose to give in to the desires of temptation but instead choose to resist the devil until he runs away at all times. In this way our works of righteousness are the fruit of our faith for God does as he promises.
It is my belief that believing that Jesus is anything other than a human being just like we are damages the belief in God's promise as we must believe that Jesus was tempted by sin just as we are but without sin and that he is willing to give us the same spirit that motivated him.
It is my hope that I have chosen the correct words to express my essential faith in Jesus and in God. I am assuming that even in this that others believe in the same God and Jesus that I do.
Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2010,19:54) I believe that God promised that those who obey all Jesus teaches will stop sinning in this life. I use various scriptures including but not limited to Matthew 5:6 and John 8:34-36. I believe that you must first believe that Jesus is the promised Anointed One and then choose to make him the Lord of your life. In making him the Lord of your life you then will choose to get immersed in water believe that a miracle of God will take place where your old spirit is put to death and a new spirit that is created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness is conceived.
I believe that conceived that spirit will grow and mature when fed on faith in God and so his Son Jesus and as one matures they will become more and more like Jesus in their actions each day.
I believe that it is because of our faith that God will fullfill his promise of making us sinless through faith in Jesus that it will be as if we have already received that promise and thus God will do as he promised though Ezekiel and forgive all our sins commited before that promise is complete.
Even though the fufillment of that promise depends on our faith, it is God that does the actual work of changing us so we no longer chose to give in to the desires of temptation but instead choose to resist the devil until he runs away at all times. In this way our works of righteousness are the fruit of our faith for God does as he promises.
It is my belief that believing that Jesus is anything other than a human being just like we are damages the belief in God's promise as we must believe that Jesus was tempted by sin just as we are but without sin and that he is willing to give us the same spirit that motivated him.
It is my hope that I have chosen the correct words to express my essential faith in Jesus and in God. I am assuming that even in this that others believe in the same God and Jesus that I do.
Kerwin! I did enjoy reading what You believe. I also know that we are to strife to be more like Jesus in our daily lives. However I find it not easy to sin in my thoughts especially. Since Jesus magnify the Law on the Sermon on the Mount, it becomes rather much harder to keep the Spirit of that Law then what it was before. What I understand is that Sin is not imputed to us because of Jesus dying on the cross for us…
Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not imput sins. I also believe that in this life we will still sin. Like Paul said I do what I am not to do, and don't do what I am to do.
We don't sin on purpose, but in our flesh I believe we still will. Jehovah God had to send someone that knew what was at stake if He sinned, and therefore never did. Since He was in Heaven with His Father before becoming a man, He knew. I am forever grateful to our Heavenly Father for all that He did, to send His only begotten Son so we can live, and to Jesus to die for us….
1 John 1:8 tels us if we think we don't sin the truth is not in us.
Peace and Love IreneHey kerwin,
Intresting you should add more from that discussion we had about beliefs into this thread as well.I also believe that Jesus was compeltly Human, yet God in the very same time.
Son Of Man/ Son of God.
Fully human, a Perfect Human, the second Adam, yet had the Character of God, his works, his ethics, his love.much love bro!
Her are some Scriptures that shows you that Jesus did exist before He became a man. I pasted it from the pre existing tread…..
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Marty! The Scripture is clear that Jesus came from Heaven where He was from the Beginning as the Word in John 1:1 and also in Rev. 19:13.
John 6:38 “For I have come down from Heaven not to do my will but the will of Him who send Me…
We do know how God did it. To me it makes sense because Jesus at age 12 went into the Temple and teach. All that heard Him were surprised by His Wisdom….
I also think that Rev. 19:13 is a very good Scripture to clear up that He was the Word and that Word became flesh. Then Jesus after His resurrection ask His Father to go back to what He was before the World was. John 17:5. That too goes along with Rev, 19:13.
He is the firstborn of all creation in Rev. 3:14 and Col. 1:15-17.
In Col. 1:18 He tells us that He also was the firstborn of the death, so that in all He may have preeminence. Meaning He was first in all. Firstborn of all creation and firstborn of the death. I think Jesus wants us to realize that He was a Spirit Being before the World was, that is why He said what He did. It might be confusion to you , but if you think about it a while and ask God to give you His understand of that, I know that He will. It was not easy for us either at first, but God did work with us. And if you ask Him, He will with you too…
John 3:17
John 8:58
John 1:15
Also if you go to Heaven Net they also have an article on this, That is where I found most of the Scriptures in John…..
Peace and Love IreneKerwin,
I do like reading what people believe and it helps to understand where their coming from.I agree with Irene in that I don't remember the last time I broke one of the ten commandments in the flesh, but I doubt a day goes by that I don't have to reign in my thoughts as I've had a flash of something that isn't based in love.
“and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”
Thanks for sharing with us. Wm
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 27 2010,06:14) Hey kerwin,
Intresting you should add more from that discussion we had about beliefs into this thread as well.I also believe that Jesus was compeltly Human, yet God in the very same time.
Son Of Man/ Son of God.
Fully human, a Perfect Human, the second Adam, yet had the Character of God, his works, his ethics, his love.much love bro!
Hi SF,
Was he the God of the Jews or was he the Son of that God?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 27 2010,06:14) Hey kerwin,
Intresting you should add more from that discussion we had about beliefs into this thread as well.I also believe that Jesus was compeltly Human, yet God in the very same time.
Son Of Man/ Son of God.
Fully human, a Perfect Human, the second Adam, yet had the Character of God, his works, his ethics, his love.much love bro!
When Jesus was a man He had emptied Himself of all He was in Heaven and became like a Servant. He left behind what He was that is what
Phillipaians 22:5 tells us. He was just like us in every way except that He never sinned….
IreneQuote (kerwin @ May 26 2010,19:54) I believe that God promised that those who obey all Jesus teaches will stop sinning in this life. I use various scriptures including but not limited to Matthew 5:6 and John 8:34-36. I believe that you must first believe that Jesus is the promised Anointed One and then choose to make him the Lord of your life. In making him the Lord of your life you then will choose to get immersed in water believe that a miracle of God will take place where your old spirit is put to death and a new spirit that is created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness is conceived.
I believe that conceived that spirit will grow and mature when fed on faith in God and so his Son Jesus and as one matures they will become more and more like Jesus in their actions each day.
I believe that it is because of our faith that God will fullfill his promise of making us sinless through faith in Jesus that it will be as if we have already received that promise and thus God will do as he promised though Ezekiel and forgive all our sins commited before that promise is complete.
Even though the fufillment of that promise depends on our faith, it is God that does the actual work of changing us so we no longer chose to give in to the desires of temptation but instead choose to resist the devil until he runs away at all times. In this way our works of righteousness are the fruit of our faith for God does as he promises.
It is my belief that believing that Jesus is anything other than a human being just like we are damages the belief in God's promise as we must believe that Jesus was tempted by sin just as we are but without sin and that he is willing to give us the same spirit that motivated him.
It is my hope that I have chosen the correct words to express my essential faith in Jesus and in God. I am assuming that even in this that others believe in the same God and Jesus that I do.
Hi KW,
Put to death our spirit??
It returns to God [ecc 12] so why would you want it to die?I wish to clarify a couple of my believes.
It is tricky to differentiat temptation from actual sin when both are on the mental level, i.e. our thoughts. I look to the temptations of Jesus as an example of what temptation is. In those examples you see that Satan make a proposition and that Jesus then rejects that proposition. We know that Jesus was tempted just like we are so if our thoughts merely form a proposition to sin but reject it is by fleeing from the temptation of fighting it then we do not sin. On the other hand if we fantasize about that proposition then we sin. As I said it is tricky to differentiate between a mental sin and a temptation as I am not covering all that is sin but merely pointing out that the proposition itself should not be confused when sin while phantasizing is sin. I did this to warn people against calling what is not sin sin or calling what is sin temptation.
According to my believes it is God doing the work so our stopping from sin is not depending on our effort but rather on the efford of God who can do anything but sin. It is our faith that we must work on strengthening and even that comes from God. It is therefore crucial that we want to change and that we believe God will change us. This does not seem to happen instintanius but rather is a growing experience that may take more time in some than others. The bottom line is that we will grow more mature if we are in Jesus the Messiah.
I believe that the spirit is the driving and guiding force behind our action whether it is the spirit we are born with or it is the spirit of righteousness that those in Christ are reborn in. Even the spirit we are born with can be renewed to a certain extent as Old Testiment testified it was for some before the New Covenant was established. It is only through entry in the New Covenant that one recieves the sinless spirit of Jesus.
Quote (heaven @ May 27 2010,16:58) Hi Kerwin. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
You are welcome. I felt that there should be more threads in this forum than that the one that critiques Nick's manner of posting.
Irene deserves some credit as her PM to me most likely aided me to come up with the idea.
Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2010,22:09) Quote (heaven @ May 27 2010,16:58) Hi Kerwin. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
You are welcome. I felt that there should be more threads in this forum than that the one that critiques Nick's manner of posting.Irene deserves some credit as her PM to me most likely aided me to come up with the idea.
Thank you Kerwin! About sin, when Jesus magnified the Law on the Sermon on the Mount, does it not mean that if we hate a Brother that we have commited murder in our Hearts. And if a man lust's after a woman did He not then commited Adultery? That is what I think, what do you say. I don't quit get what you mean on your last post….Peace to you, IreneIrene,
There is a diffrerence between being tempted to hate your brother in your heart and actually hating him. If you have hateful thought and do battle against those thoughts so that they are banished for a time then it is merely temptation.
This is an exmple of what God means when he commands us to touch no unclean thing.
On the other hands if those hateful thoughts come to dominate your thinking even if at first you attempted to battle them then you sin. As I said this is tricky to determine because it is left to your judgement to determine whether or not those thoughts of hatred are dominate. Of course in this you do have the guidance of God. The same is true of adultry or any other sin.
Sinful thoughts may come into our head but they are equivilent to the the Devil speaking us if we do not allow them to dominate our thoughts or actions.
Here is a hypothetical conversation that I hope illuminates what I mean.
Devil: It is “just” to hate you brother because he has done this “evil” deed to you.
You: I will not hate my brother as God commands me to love him even when he wrongs me.The conversation may go on in your mind even though you do not see the devil but you have not sinned until you give in to the devil's schemes.
Kerwin
to turn you live to God and Christ it is to change the old with the new ,the spiritual ,the spirit of truth,
example Peter in the beginning and Peter at the end of his live,
example;Saul and Paul you know the story,
if we try to copy the examples we do good this is what Christ and God want s us to do ,this is our burden in this world,our cross if you want,
are you a racist? well how then can you preach the love of Christ and God with that type of conflict in your heart? you can not.
if you are a person with a temper ,you would be fighting in you until you have killed your temper just like Moses did and Peter.if you have a problem with any fruit of the flesh it should be killed or render non existent.
we all have to look to become perfect in Christ ,this means ,only say the truth,love your fellow men ,only pursue good things,
look for the interest of others before you look to yours.
this are a few thing were we all fail me included we all sin ,but we have to produce the effort to prove our willingness to love God,if we do not produce fruit we will not collect a return.
it will show that we have neglected the sacrifice of the live of Christ and the grace of God.Pierre
I am adding to what I have previously wrote as well as to what I wrote to Irene.
God led me to read this scripture this morning and I find it boosts my faith that I can overcome the forces of temptation Satan brings against me even when they seem unbearable. I hope it helps you as well.
1 Corinthians 19:13(NIV) reads:
Quote No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2010,06:51) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 27 2010,06:14) Hey kerwin,
Intresting you should add more from that discussion we had about beliefs into this thread as well.I also believe that Jesus was compeltly Human, yet God in the very same time.
Son Of Man/ Son of God.
Fully human, a Perfect Human, the second Adam, yet had the Character of God, his works, his ethics, his love.much love bro!
Hi SF,
Was he the God of the Jews or was he the Son of that God?
Nick,Let me answer only with scripture,
(Gosepl Mark)Son of Man, (John) Son of God,
Quote (Arnold @ May 27 2010,13:38) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 27 2010,06:14) Hey kerwin,
Intresting you should add more from that discussion we had about beliefs into this thread as well.I also believe that Jesus was compeltly Human, yet God in the very same time.
Son Of Man/ Son of God.
Fully human, a Perfect Human, the second Adam, yet had the Character of God, his works, his ethics, his love.much love bro!
When Jesus was a man He had emptied Himself of all He was in Heaven and became like a Servant. He left behind what He was that is what
Phillipaians 22:5 tells us. He was just like us in every way except that He never sinned….
Irene
And was born out of a virgen.
And knew the Father that no one has ever seen, but he has seen him.
Yet a Man, who disappeared into crowds when they wanted to kill him. plus etc.
a Man who defeated death by resurrectingA Man who should be Dead, Who Still lives…
The first amongst the Dead.Of course just a Man, like anyone of us.
Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2010,22:07) I wish to clarify a couple of my believes. It is tricky to differentiat temptation from actual sin when both are on the mental level, i.e. our thoughts. I look to the temptations of Jesus as an example of what temptation is. In those examples you see that Satan make a proposition and that Jesus then rejects that proposition. We know that Jesus was tempted just like we are so if our thoughts merely form a proposition to sin but reject it is by fleeing from the temptation of fighting it then we do not sin. On the other hand if we fantasize about that proposition then we sin. As I said it is tricky to differentiate between a mental sin and a temptation as I am not covering all that is sin but merely pointing out that the proposition itself should not be confused when sin while phantasizing is sin. I did this to warn people against calling what is not sin sin or calling what is sin temptation.
According to my believes it is God doing the work so our stopping from sin is not depending on our effort but rather on the efford of God who can do anything but sin. It is our faith that we must work on strengthening and even that comes from God. It is therefore crucial that we want to change and that we believe God will change us. This does not seem to happen instintanius but rather is a growing experience that may take more time in some than others. The bottom line is that we will grow more mature if we are in Jesus the Messiah.
I believe that the spirit is the driving and guiding force behind our action whether it is the spirit we are born with or it is the spirit of righteousness that those in Christ are reborn in. Even the spirit we are born with can be renewed to a certain extent as Old Testiment testified it was for some before the New Covenant was established. It is only through entry in the New Covenant that one recieves the sinless spirit of Jesus.
I thought Jesus temptation was to Prove He was Son of God.
Just like God in massah.
Look up what Temptation means, sometimes it doesnt mean that you have been tempted it could mean the act of tempting.SimplyForgiven,
I am corrious how you interpret Hebrews 4:15 which explicitly states Jesus was fully tempted even as we are as when Satan tempts me then I, unlike a tree, am tempted.
I believe the issue is irrelevant to my discussion on telling the difference between sin and temptation as I was merely using the temptation of Jesus to illustrate what a temptation is.
On the other hand it is a demonstration of why I have come to believe that the tenet that Jesus is God or even that he pre-existed his human birth is damaging to one's faith that they themselves can stop sinning in this pressent life.
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2010,19:29) SimplyForgiven, I am corrious how you interpret Hebrews 4:15 which explicitly states Jesus was fully tempted even as we are as when Satan tempts me then I, unlike a tree, am tempted.
I believe the issue is irrelevant to my discussion on telling the difference between sin and temptation as I was merely using the temptation of Jesus to illustrate what a temptation is.
On the other hand it is a demonstration of why I have come to believe that the tenet that Jesus is God or even that he pre-existed his human birth is damaging to one's faith that they themselves can stop sinning in this pressent life.
I didnt say that Jesus wasnt tempted Kerwin,I believe he was.
i was pertaining it too what was being tempted. like to prove he was the Son of God, just like God was tempted, There is even a law that says one cannot tempt the lord thy God. yet you say that God cannot be tempted, yet there is a law abuot that? Jesus even qouted that as a defense in first person.
Jesus responded to the devil saying that you shall not tempt the Lord thy God.many agree he did exist before. Hebrews proves that.
second: You think we can stop sinning on our own? or what do you mean by your very last comment?
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