Kathy What Do You Mean By Preexisting Sonship?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2011,02:20)

Hi Mike, There isn't two Gods mentioned in John 1:1 (Deut.6:4), but two aspects of the one God (YHVH and his HolySpirit). God bless Ed J

Hi Ed,

For one to be WITH another, there MUST BE TWO.

From the 25 Trinitarian scholars of NETNotes, who want nothing more than for Jesus to BE the God he was with:

The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”);

Ed, it had to have nearly killed these “Jesus is God” believers to have to admit this sound reasoning, even though it is clearly distinguishing their “God” Jesus as someone OTHER THAN “the person of God”. But to do anything less would have people rolling their eyes at THEM, like I'm doing at YOU right now.

Ed, one being cannot be WITH itself. So are you implying that the Holy Spirit of God is a totally separate entity from God, and could therefore be WITH God?

peace,
mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,13:17)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2011,02:20) Hi Mike, There isn't two Gods mentioned in John 1:1 (Deut.6:4), but two aspects of the one God (YHVH and his HolySpirit). God bless Ed J Hi Ed, For one to be WITH another, there MUST BE TWO. From the 25 Trinitarian scholars of NETNotes, who want nothing more than for Jesus to BE the God he was with: The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”); Ed, it had to have nearly killed these “Jesus is God” believers to have to admit this sound reasoning, even though it is clearly distinguishing their “God” Jesus as someone OTHER THAN “the person of God”.  But to do anything less would have people rolling their eyes at THEM, like I'm doing at YOU right now.   Ed, one being cannot be WITH itself.  So are you implying that the Holy Spirit of God is a totally separate entity from God, and could therefore be WITH God? peace, mike

Hi Mike,

Why is the idea hard for you to grasp?
Let me give to a separate but similar example…

At death, your spirit is no longer part of the body.
But your spirit was with your body in the beginning.

In the beginning was Mike's spirit,
and Mike's spirit was with Mike,
and Mike's spirit was Mike.

Now you may not agree with this, but you
can hardly say you don't understand the concept.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,13:10)

My answer is:  A little off his rocker?  YES.  But brainwashed?  I don't think so.   You can tell from some of Ed's understandings that he walks to the beat of his own drum.  I have never seen him “follow” anyone else here, or believe what they believe just because they believe it.  And those would be clear signs of “brainwashing”, IMO.

Hi Mike,

Thank you for appreciating my independent view of the Scriptures!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,00:18)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,13:17) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2011,02:20) Hi Mike, There isn't two Gods mentioned in John 1:1 (Deut.6:4), but two aspects of the one God (YHVH and his HolySpirit). God bless Ed J Hi Ed, For one to be WITH another, there MUST BE TWO. From the 25 Trinitarian scholars of NETNotes, who want nothing more than for Jesus to BE the God he was with: The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”); Ed, it had to have nearly killed these “Jesus is God” believers to have to admit this sound reasoning, even though it is clearly distinguishing their “God” Jesus as someone OTHER THAN “the person of God”.  But to do anything less would have people rolling their eyes at THEM, like I'm doing at YOU right now.   Ed, one being cannot be WITH itself.  So are you implying that the Holy Spirit of God is a totally separate entity from God, and could therefore be WITH God? peace, mike Hi Mike, Why is the idea hard for you to grasp? Let me give to a separate but similar example… At death, your spirit is no longer part of the body. But your spirit was with your body in the beginning. In the beginning was Mike's spirit, and Mike's spirit was with Mike, and Mike's spirit was Mike. Now you may not agree with this, but you can hardly say you don't understand the concept. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

is Mike s spirit not Mike ?
if it is then ,rephrase your comment
like this ;
In the beginning was Mike,
and Mike was with Mike,
and Mike was Mike.

so their as to be two beings other wise it does not make sense

Pierre

[Pastry]

Ed and Kerwin think John 1:1 is speaking of Gods Holy Spirit…. Yet it clearly says in

Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, AND THE WORD was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Those are two beings and not one… The W ord of God was with God….

Rev. 19:13-16 explains who The Word of God is… yet Kerwin believes it is who became Jesus in Rev. 19, but not in John 1:1
It makes no sense to me at all…Peace Irene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2011,00:18)

In the beginning was Mike's spirit, and Mike's spirit was with Mike, and Mike's spirit was Mike. Now you may not agree with this, but you can hardly say you don't understand the concept.

Hi Ed,

If the spirit OF Mike was truly Mike himself, then there is no way one could say that the spirit of Mike was WITH Mike.

If you ARE Ed J, then can you be WITH Ed J?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2011,00:18)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,13:17) Ed, one being cannot be WITH itself.  So are you implying that the Holy Spirit of God is a totally separate entity from God, and could therefore be WITH God? peace, mike Hi Mike, Why is the idea hard for you to grasp?

Hey Ed, have you followed this theory through all of the scriptures? Do they all match up with the theory?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 24 2011,09:07)

Ed and Kerwin think John 1:1 is speaking of Gods Holy Spirit…. Yet it clearly says in Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, AND THE WORD was with God, and the Word was God.   Jhn 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God.   Those are two beings and not one… The W ord of God was with God…. Rev. 19:13-16 explains who The Word of God is… yet Kerwin believes it is who became Jesus in Rev. 19, but not in John 1:1 It makes no sense to me at all…Peace Irene

Hi Irene,

                      Ho Logos(91)  =  Spirit(91)

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye “received the word” of God
which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth,
“The Word” of God, which effectually worketh also
“in you” that believe. (1Thess.2:13)

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man,
but the “Spirit” of God. Now “we have received”, not the spirit of the world, but the
“Spirit” which is of God; that we might know the things that are
“freely given to us” of God. (1Cor.2:11-12)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2011,09:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2011,00:18) In the beginning was Mike's spirit, and Mike's spirit was with Mike, and Mike's spirit was Mike. Now you may not agree with this, but you can hardly say you don't understand the concept. Hi Ed, If the spirit OF Mike was truly Mike himself, then there is no way one could say that the spirit of Mike was WITH Mike. If you ARE Ed J, then can you be WITH Ed J?

Hi Mike,

My spirit is with Ed J until this husk dies.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2011,09:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2011,00:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,13:17) Ed, one being cannot be WITH itself.  So are you implying that the Holy Spirit of God is a totally separate entity from God, and could therefore be WITH God? peace, mike Hi Mike, Why is the idea hard for you to grasp? Hey Ed, have you followed this theory through all of the scriptures?  Do they all match up with the theory? mike

Yep!

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,02:13)

Hi Mike, My spirit is with Ed J until this husk dies.

If that is the case Ed, then your spirit is NOT Ed J. Because the simple fact that your spirit is WITH you proves that your spirit is NOT you.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,02:14)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2011,09:55) Hey Ed, have you followed this theory through all of the scriptures?  Do they all match up with the theory? mike Yep!

We're about to find out on the other thread, aren't we?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,11:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,02:13) Hi Mike, My spirit is with Ed J until this husk dies. If that is the case Ed, then your spirit is NOT Ed J.  Because the simple fact that your spirit is WITH you proves that your spirit is NOT you.

Hi Mike,

Your logic is circular, no proof there.

My spirit is both with me and is me.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,11:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,02:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2011,09:55) Hey Ed, have you followed this theory through all of the scriptures?  Do they all match up with the theory? mike Yep! We're about to find out on the other thread, aren't we?

What?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,18:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,11:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,02:13) Hi Mike, My spirit is with Ed J until this husk dies. If that is the case Ed, then your spirit is NOT Ed J.  Because the simple fact that your spirit is WITH you proves that your spirit is NOT you.   Hi Mike, Your logic is circular, no proof there. My spirit is both with me and is me. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So then you ONLY consist of a spirit? Not a soul or a body? Hmmm…………..I've never actually SEEN you, so I was unaware that you are a spirit being.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,11:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,18:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,11:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2011,02:13) Hi Mike, My spirit is with Ed J until this husk dies. If that is the case Ed, then your spirit is NOT Ed J.  Because the simple fact that your spirit is WITH you proves that your spirit is NOT you.   Hi Mike, Your logic is circular, no proof there. My spirit is both with me and is me. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (1) So then you ONLY consist of a spirit?  (2) Not a soul or a body?  (3) Hmmm…………..I've never actually SEEN you, so I was unaware that you are a spirit being.

Hi Mike,

1) After the husk dies, yes.
2) For now, I have a body, soul and spirit.
3) We are all spirit beings having a human experience.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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