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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,11:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?
Hi BD,The Gospel is the death, burial AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification. (Rom.4:25)B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,11:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?
Hi BD,The Gospel is the death, burial AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification. (Rom.4:25)B'shem
YHVH
HI ED,I see God had to sacrifice Jesus and then bring him back alive but wouldn't that be like not sacrificing at all?
If I say to you ED I am going to tear all my money up and you say wow what a sacrifice and then I take the money to the bank to reassemble the bills and get my money back where is the loss?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,11:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?
Hi BD,The Gospel is the death, burial AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification. (Rom.4:25)B'shem
YHVH
HI ED,I see God had to sacrifice Jesus and then bring him back alive but wouldn't that be like not sacrificing at all?
If I say to you ED I am going to tear all my money up and you say wow what a sacrifice and then I take the money to the bank to reassemble the bills and get my money back where is the loss?
Hi BD,That is because YHVH is the best of the planners! HA Ha ha!!!
For the “LORD of Hosts” hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?
and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (Isaiah 14:27)B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,11:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?
Hi BD,The Gospel is the death, burial AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification. (Rom.4:25)B'shem
YHVH
HI ED,I see God had to sacrifice Jesus and then bring him back alive but wouldn't that be like not sacrificing at all?
If I say to you ED I am going to tear all my money up and you say wow what a sacrifice and then I take the money to the bank to reassemble the bills and get my money back where is the loss?
Hi BD,That is because YHVH is the best of the planners! HA Ha ha!!!
For the “LORD of Hosts” hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?
and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (Isaiah 14:27)B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
I agree YHVH is the best of planners so He could allow you to believe something in order for it to have a certain affect if it is according to His plans, correct?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:15) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,11:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?
Hi BD,The Gospel is the death, burial AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification. (Rom.4:25)B'shem
YHVH
HI ED,I see God had to sacrifice Jesus and then bring him back alive but wouldn't that be like not sacrificing at all?
If I say to you ED I am going to tear all my money up and you say wow what a sacrifice and then I take the money to the bank to reassemble the bills and get my money back where is the loss?
Hi BD,That is because YHVH is the best of the planners! HA Ha ha!!!
For the “LORD of Hosts” hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?
and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (Isaiah 14:27)B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
I agree YHVH is the best of planners so He could allow you to believe something in order for it to have a certain affect if it is according to His plans, correct?
Hi BD,I knew you would like that. Ha ha ha. But Scripture says that God cannot lie. (Heb.6:18)
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The(muslim) kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD(YHVH), and against his anointed(Jesus Christ), saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD(YHVH) with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son(Jesus Christ), lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:15) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,11:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,11:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,10:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,08:20) Hi BD, 1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised [Jesus] up
from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
“that your faith and hope might be in God”Yes my Faith and Hope is in God yet that bothers you if there is no sacrifice
Hi BD,If Christ is not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.
B'shem
YHVH
What would Jesus being raised have to do with people's sins If Jesus died for their sins and they believe in him how could their faith be in vain is it the raising of Jesus or the crucifixion of Jesus which is the sacrifice/atonement?
Hi BD,The Gospel is the death, burial AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification. (Rom.4:25)B'shem
YHVH
HI ED,I see God had to sacrifice Jesus and then bring him back alive but wouldn't that be like not sacrificing at all?
If I say to you ED I am going to tear all my money up and you say wow what a sacrifice and then I take the money to the bank to reassemble the bills and get my money back where is the loss?
Hi BD,That is because YHVH is the best of the planners! HA Ha ha!!!
For the “LORD of Hosts” hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?
and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (Isaiah 14:27)B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
I agree YHVH is the best of planners so He could allow you to believe something in order for it to have a certain affect if it is according to His plans, correct?
Hi BD,I knew you would like that. Ha ha ha. But Scripture says that God cannot lie. (Heb.6:18)
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The(muslim) kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD(YHVH), and against his anointed(Jesus Christ), saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD(YHVH) with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son(Jesus Christ), lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.B'shem
YHVH
Who said anything about God lying I said he can cause you to believe something if it is according to His will is that true or false?Hi BD,
It won't work BD, the bible is clear on Jesus' death burial and resurrection.
YHVH does not deceive, as does the false god of the 'book of fraud'!B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:55) Hi BD, It won't work BD, the bible is clear on Jesus' death burial and resurrection.
YHVH does not deceive, as does the false god of the 'book of fraud'!B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.Once again I have shown you that you do not know YHVH so stop making up false things about God.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,13:37) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:55) Hi BD, It won't work BD, the bible is clear on Jesus' death burial and resurrection.
YHVH does not deceive, as does the false god of the 'book of fraud'!B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.Once again I have shown you that you do not know YHVH so stop making up false things about God.
Hi BD,#1. Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribe of the king, not by a Prophet; BIG DIFFERENCE!
#2. YHVH does not lie, it was an Angel persuading lies through false-prophets; HEY, SOMETHING SOUND FAMILIAR HERE?
1 Kings 22:20-23 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up
and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit
in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD(no, an Angel) hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,13:37) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,12:55) Hi BD, It won't work BD, the bible is clear on Jesus' death burial and resurrection.
YHVH does not deceive, as does the false god of the 'book of fraud'!B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.Once again I have shown you that you do not know YHVH so stop making up false things about God.
Hi BD,#1. Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribe of the king, not by a Prophet; BIG DIFFERENCE!
#2. YHVH does not lie, it was an Angel persuading lies through false-prophets; HEY, SOMETHING SOUND FAMILIAR HERE?
1 Kings 22:20-23 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up
and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit
in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD(no, an Angel) hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.B'shem
YHVH
Nice try, but I'll play along so what about Ezekiel 14:9Hi BD,
Ezekiel 14 is about people that have idols in their heart and have set stumbling-
blocks of iniquity before their face, and yet seek the LORD for their good.In other words, they are evil, but they only want good to return to them. They
will only see a reflection of themselves when they see a prophet or man of God.See and understand the meaning of Psalm 18:25-27
Psalms 18:25-27 With the merciful thou will show thyself merciful; with an upright man thou will show thyself upright;
26 With the pure thou will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou will show thyself froward.
27 For thou will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:40) Hi BD, Ezekiel 14 is about people that have idols in their heart and have set stumbling-
blocks of iniquity before their face, and yet seek the LORD for their good.In other words, they are evil, but they only want good to return to them. They
will only see a reflection of themselves when they see a prophet or man of God.See and understand the meaning of Psalm 18:25-27
Psalms 18:25-27 With the merciful thou will show thyself merciful; with an upright man thou will show thyself upright;
26 With the pure thou will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou will show thyself froward.
27 For thou will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.B'shem
YHVH
What about the sentence “I the LORD have deceived that prophet”?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,20:30) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:40) Hi BD, Ezekiel 14 is about people that have idols in their heart and have set stumbling-
blocks of iniquity before their face, and yet seek the LORD for their good.In other words, they are evil, but they only want good to return to them. They
will only see a reflection of themselves when they see a prophet or man of God.See and understand the meaning of Psalm 18:25-27
Psalms 18:25-27 With the merciful thou will show thyself merciful; with an upright man thou will show thyself upright;
26 With the pure thou will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou will show thyself froward.
27 For thou will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.B'shem
YHVH
What about the sentence “I the LORD have deceived that prophet”?
Hi BD,The evil person that puts idols in his heart and stumblingblocks before his face is the one who is deceived.
Ezek.14:7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel,
which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumbling-
block of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me;
I the LORD will answer him by myself:Do you have any more witnesses?
Deut 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth:
at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
“in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.” (Matt 18:16)B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2012,05:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,20:30) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:40) Hi BD, Ezekiel 14 is about people that have idols in their heart and have set stumbling-
blocks of iniquity before their face, and yet seek the LORD for their good.In other words, they are evil, but they only want good to return to them. They
will only see a reflection of themselves when they see a prophet or man of God.See and understand the meaning of Psalm 18:25-27
Psalms 18:25-27 With the merciful thou will show thyself merciful; with an upright man thou will show thyself upright;
26 With the pure thou will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou will show thyself froward.
27 For thou will save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.B'shem
YHVH
What about the sentence “I the LORD have deceived that prophet”?
Hi BD,The evil person that puts idols in his heart and stumblingblocks before his face is the one who is deceived.
Ezek.14:7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel,
which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumbling-
block of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me;
I the LORD will answer him by myself:Do you have any more witnesses?
Deut 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth:
at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
“in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.” (Matt 18:16)B'shem
YHVH
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.Who put the lying spirit in the mouth, The Lord did?
I am not saying anything is wrong with God doing it but the fact is that is what you're scriptures are saying but you defend and justify what is simple and plain before you but If the sentence said Allah put a lying spirit in the mouth, you would have no problem with it.
This is how you escape understanding that there is one and the same God because you attack Him from one side and praise Him from the other side it simply exposes your mischievious nature.
I gave you several witnesses but you just attempt to explain away obvious direct statemnts such as
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Isn't that saying God can cause you to think something is what it is not, so if God wanted to he could cause the perception that Jesus was crucified, right?
Can God do that yes or no?
Hi BD,
I addressed that point already.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:00) #1. Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribe of the king, not by a Prophet; BIG DIFFERENCE! #2. YHVH does not lie, it was an Angel persuading lies through false-prophets; HEY, SOMETHING SOUND FAMILIAR HERE?
1 Kings 22:20-23 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up
and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit
in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD(no, an Angel) hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2012,08:30) Hi BD, I addressed that point already.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:00) #1. Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribe of the king, not by a Prophet; BIG DIFFERENCE! #2. YHVH does not lie, it was an Angel persuading lies through false-prophets; HEY, SOMETHING SOUND FAMILIAR HERE?
1 Kings 22:20-23 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up
and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit
in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD(no, an Angel) hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.B'shem
YHVH
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Isn't that saying God can cause you to think something is what it is not, so if God wanted to he could cause the perception that Jesus was crucified, right?
Can God do that yes or no?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 13 2012,08:33) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2012,08:30) Hi BD, I addressed that point already.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,14:00) #1. Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribe of the king, not by a Prophet; BIG DIFFERENCE! #2. YHVH does not lie, it was an Angel persuading lies through false-prophets; HEY, SOMETHING SOUND FAMILIAR HERE?
1 Kings 22:20-23 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up
and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit
in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD(no, an Angel) hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.B'shem
YHVH
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Isn't that saying God can cause you to think something is what it is not, so if God wanted to he could cause the perception that Jesus was crucified, right?
Can God do that yes or no?
Hi BD,You are believing the delusion of a false prophet. Confirming what 1Thess.2:11 has said!
B'shem
YHVH
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