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Quote (Not3in1 @ June 16 2009,07:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,07:15) Hi Not 3,
Love drags deceived men from the fire.
It is useless to warm the dying with kind words when life is still accessible.
Shaking head…..Keep believing what you will, bro.
Love covers a multitude of sins.
Mandy
Hi not 3,
Why not put away your schoolmistress approach and defend the scriptures?Hi Jodi,
Did you not know every man is responsible for his own actions and decisions despite the influences from within and without?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,08:01) Hi Jodi,
Did you not know every man is responsible for his own actions and decisions despite the influences from within and without?
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.Nick, can you read a scripture and take it for what it says, or do you feel it is in your authority to add and distort it?
Mark 7:20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
it's plain and clear the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God. The scripture does not say the natural man when he gives into the influences of invisible creatures does not receive the things of the Spirit of God.
Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
The scripture says the carnal mind, not the carnal mind when under influences of rebel spirits.
Jesus said woe to the world because of the offenses that come through man, he did not say woe to the world because of man who is influenced by rebel spirits.
Hi Jodi,
Indeed man is controlled by Satan's rule.
That rule is most apparent in the carnal mind.
Thus we must be transformed by a renewal of our minds.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,08:46) Hi Jodi,
Indeed man is controlled by Satan's rule.
That rule is most apparent in the carnal mind.
Thus we must be transformed by a renewal of our minds.
Man is controlled by satan, and Jesus defined satan as the mind of man and scripture says that the carnal nature is enmity against God.We need to transform through renewing our minds, and not following after our OWN desires.
Define Satan, or rather adversary, Nick!
You never do, why is that? Because you cannot find the scripture that matches up with your doctrine?
Man is drawn away by HIS OWN DESIRES.
What RULES over man when he is not of God, is his OWN desires. We need to define our adversary as such, and NOT make the adversary out to be whatever we want. We need to stay within what the scriptures specifically tell us.
The Kings were evil under their own wills, and it was their dominion that God took away. God did not take away the dominion of invisible rebel spirits.
The dominion of darkness is shown to be powerful men who follow after their own desires, not following after rebel spirits.
Hi Jodi,
No Jesus did not Satan was the mind of any man.
Sin dwells within men but freedom from that influence is available.
Washing the inside of the cup was not possible for men but the blood of Jesus offers such cleanliness.Nick……….if man is controlled by a Satan (BEING) then why would GOD hole man accountable if it is another kind of GOD bing controlling Him then? Jodi has correctely explained this, you Just refuse to accept the truth, no matter how much it stairs you in the face. IMO
peace and love……………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,12:51) Hi Jodi,
No Jesus did not Satan was the mind of any man.
Sin dwells within men but freedom from that influence is available.
Washing the inside of the cup was not possible for men but the blood of Jesus offers such cleanliness.
Shall I listen to you or scripture?Matthew 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Jesus called a MAN SATAN, FOR…. being mindful of the things of men. Man is SATAN when he is mindful of the things of men.
Peter is not said to be a SATAN for being influenced by rebel spirits. He is said to be SATAN FOR HAVING IN MIND THE THINGS OF MEN.
Shall I listen to you Nick or what the scriptures say, for how well does Jesus words fit with that of Paul's and James.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
Nick, back up what you say with scripture, and stop distorting and adding to the ones I have posted. They are simple and true.
Hi Jodi,
God allows Satan to test men.
Men are controlled by Satan and the fear of death
Unless men repent they will all likewise perish so all, are called to repentance unto life.Jodi……….You have correctly stated it, Now let see if the truth really matters or not. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,14:38) Hi Jodi,
God allows Satan to test men.
Men are controlled by Satan and the fear of death
Unless men repent they will all likewise perish so all, are called to repentance unto life.
Nick…………Where is this in scripture stated or is it just you rendition of what you think scripture should say?. Your own ideologies are not scriptural. Men are defiled by there own doing not some spooks. IMOpeace and love…………………..gene
Hi Jodi,
No Satan was yet in Peter.
Well not Satan himself but one of his faithful servants.
Poor Peter was yet untransformed in his mind and spoke as men do of worldly things.
Only the Spirit of God will allow youi to see beyond the earthly plane and discern spiritual things.Hi Jodi,
When spirits live in men then naturally addressing the spirit also means addressing the person that has made him their home. Frequently in the reports of Jesus activities you seem him dealing in this way, for example the man in the tombs. As physical illness is also one of their works again you see Jesus dealing with the spirit that caused the woman to be stooped over with osteoporosis and she was made well.It is easy to understand how you might think it was the person being spoken to when such demonic spirits are dealt with
Hi Jodi,
Carnal folk cannot grasp that man is a vessel as shown throughoput scripture[eg 2 tim 2.20]
God the Potter makes pots and some are yet destined just for the fire. But that vessel is designed to be filled with the Spirit of God but since eden evil spirits have rsided there using men to do their evil deeds.Jesus told the Pharisees to clean the inside of their cups but knowing only his blood could do that in rebirth of water and the Spirit. Even a vessel made clean can be reoccupied such that the final state of the man is worse. Helpless fools, blind men refuse the freedom Jesus offers and the infilling of the fountain of life unto eternal union with God in Jesus.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,08:00) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 16 2009,07:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,07:15) Hi Not 3,
Love drags deceived men from the fire.
It is useless to warm the dying with kind words when life is still accessible.
Shaking head…..Keep believing what you will, bro.
Love covers a multitude of sins.
Mandy
Hi not 3,
Why not put away your schoolmistress approach and defend the scriptures?
So now I'm a “School Marm” –
Love it!!!You're right though, I should be defending the scriptures (instead of trying to promote tolerance and love).
I'll be honest with ya, Nick, I'm too tired to defend anything anymore. I've been doing a lot of back reading here, as of late. I'm sort of spiritually bankrupt. It's my own doing, I realize. Slowly I am returning to my first love……
Press on!
MandyNick………..The only thing dwelling in a man is his thoughts, or intellect, not another being of some kind, God could not hole the man responsible if another being took him over. You don't understand that a thought is something a person is taking into Him or Her self , it not a person or being of some kind. NO scripture supports you in this> IMO
peace and love………………………….gene
Hi Sis Jodi,
All wonderful posts on Satan and devil. Keep press on and share more from the revelation what God has given you.Though I am not fully convinced on the denial of personal devil and Satan. Your posts are excellent interpretations. I do believe that no fallen angel could become the devil or adversary. But at times I believe God might have created some spirit beings who could be used by Him to test His servants like He did it in the case of Job. He also allowed an evil spirit to influence Saul in O.T. I don't know much about these evil spirits which Jesus often cast out from human beings. I do know we can not take everything literally of the fugurative language of dragon or Old serpent in O.T and N.T. I am still praying to God to reveal these things to me in full.
May God bless you
AdamHi brother,
Please take it easy. No one is perfect except God alone. All of us are learning things which are not so clear in our Bible.Love and peace
Adam
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