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Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
What is the scripture referring to when speaking of the body of Moses? Is the scripture saying that Michael and some super powerful rebel spirit argued over the corpse of Moses?
Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day. 7 Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died. His eyes were not dim nor his natural vigor diminished. 8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days. So the days of weeping and mourning for Moses ended.
There WAS NO dispute over the literal body of Moses. Scripture tells us that God buried him. Really, what would have been up for dispute? A dead corpse rots no matter where it is buried.
As the Old Testament shows us what happened with the literal body of Moses I believe it also tells us along with the New, what Jude was referring to.
1 Corinthians 2:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Acts 7:37 “This is that Moses who said to the children of Israel, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear.' 38 This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,
Eph 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
The congregation or Church in the wilderness, that was baptized into Moses, represents the body of Moses, this is the body that Jude was referring to.
Ezra 4:1 Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the descendants of the captivity were building the temple of the Lord God of Israel, 2 they came to Zerubbabel and the heads of the fathers' houses, and said to them, “Let us build with you, for we seek your God as you do; and we have sacrificed to Him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assyria, who brought us here.” 3 But Zerubbabel and Jeshua and the rest of the heads of the fathers' houses of Israel said to them, “You may do nothing with us to build a house for our God; but we alone will build to the Lord God of Israel, as King Cyrus the king of Persia has commanded us.” 4 Then the people of the land tried to discourage the people of Judah. They troubled them in building, 5 and hired counselors against them to frustrate their purpose all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.
6 In the reign of Ahasuerus, in the beginning of his reign, they wrote an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem. 7 In the days of Artaxerxes also, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabel, and the rest of their companions wrote to Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the letter was written in Aramaic script, and translated into the Aramaic language. 8 Rehumthe commander and Shimshai the scribe wrote a letter against Jerusalem to King Artaxerxes in this fashion: 9 From Rehum the commander, Shimshai the scribe, and the rest of their companions–representatives of the Dinaites, the Apharsathchites, the Tarpelites, the people of Persia and Erech and Babylon and Shushan, the Dehavites, the Elamites, 10 and the rest of the nations whom the great and noble Osnapper took captive and settled in the cities of Samaria and the remainder beyond the River*–and so forth.11 (This is a copy of the letter that they sent him) To King Artaxerxes from your servants, the men of the region beyond the River, and so forth: 12 Let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem, and are building the rebellious and evil city, and are finishing its walls and repairing the foundations. 13 Let it now be known to the king that, if this city is built and the walls completed, they will not pay tax, tribute, or custom, and the king's treasury will be diminished. 14 Now because we receive support from the palace, it was not proper for us to see the king's dishonor; therefore we have sent and informed the king, 15 that search may be made in the book of the records of your fathers. And you will find in the book of the records and know that this city is a rebellious city, harmful to kings and provinces, and that they have incited sedition within the city in former times, for which cause this city was destroyed. 16 We inform the king that if this city is rebuilt and its walls are completed, the result will be that you will have no dominion beyond the River.
17 The king sent an answer: To Rehum the commander, to Shimshai the scribe, to the rest of their companions who dwell in Samaria, and to the remainder beyond the River: Peace, and so forth. F28 18 The letter which you sent to us has been clearly read before me. 19 And I gave the command, and a search has been made, and it was found that this city in former times has revolted against kings, and rebellion and sedition have been fostered in it. 20 There have also been mighty kings over Jerusalem, who have ruled over all the region beyond the River; and tax, tribute, and custom were paid to them. 21 Now give the command to make these men cease, that this city may not be built until the command is given by me. 22 Take heed now that you do not fail to do this. Why should damage increase to the hurt of the kings? 23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.
Ezra 5:1 T
hen the prophet Haggai and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophets, prophesied to the Jews who were in Judah and Jerusalem, in the name of the God of Israel, who was over them. 2 So Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak rose up and began to build the house of God which is in Jerusalem; and the prophets of God were with them, helping them.Ezra 6:7 Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God on its site. 8 Moreover I issue a decree as to what you shall do for the elders of these Jews, for the building of this house of God: Let the cost be paid at the king's expense from taxes on the region beyond the River; this is to be given immediately to these men, so that they are not hindered. 9 And whatever they need–young bulls, rams, and lambs for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the request of the priests who are in Jerusalem–let it be given them day by day without fail, 10 that they may offer sacrifices of sweet aroma to the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king and his sons. 11 Also I issue a decree that whoever alters this edict, let a timber be pulled from his house and erected, and let him be hanged on it; and let his house be made a refuse heap because of this. 12 And may the God who causes His name to dwell there destroy any king or people who put their hand to alter it, or to destroy this house of God which is in Jerusalem. I Darius issue a decree; let it be done diligently.
Zechariah 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!
Zechariah prophesied this during the time that the body of Moses was attempting to rebuild the temple, During the time of Ezra 4 and 6!!
Zechariah 4:1 Now the angel who talked with me came back and wakened me, as a man who is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And he said to me, “What do you see?” So I said, “I am looking, and there is a lampstand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. 3 Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.” 4 So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?” 5 Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6 So he answered and said to me: “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' Says the Lord of hosts. 7 'Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!” ' ” 8 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 9 “The hands of Zerubbabel Have laid the foundation of this temple;* His hands shall also finish it. Then you will know That the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. 10 For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice to see The plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. They are the eyes of the Lord, Which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth.”
WHO was the adversary that stood in the way of the body of Moses now under Joshua the high priest, being a false accuser or DEVIL unto them, trying to keep them from building the temple?
The Satan of which the Lord rebuked in Zechariah 3 under Zechariah’s Vision were the Samaritans. God, through His angel affecting the decision of the king, made the prophesy of Zechariah come true, rebuking the Samaritans desire to keep the temple from being built.
Michael the angel, the eyes of the Lord which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth, had to contend with the Samaritans who were acting as adversaries against the body of Moses during the time Joshua was the high priest.
No doubt the Samaritans were running after the way of Cain (our father the devil first born into the world who was a murderer and a liar), wanting to harm others for their own gain, acting like brute beast, animals who know not the way of God, only how to serve their flesh.
In Jude 1 the body of Moses represented Israel and the devil or SLANDERER, represented the Samaritans!
Scripture never shows that the devil is some invisible rebel spirit who is against God and goes around falsely accusing people. That doctrine is futile for it greatly disrupts people's ability to see the TRUTH of scripture.
Why don't you show specifically what I have presented is in error?
Why don't to show how the scriptures I gave don't fit together?
Why don't you give your understanding backed with scripture?
That would be much more helpful then your snide question.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,10:07) Hi Jodi,
You do not believe scripture as written.
Yet you try to tell us what it means?
Once again Nick I think it would be helpful to all, if you would point out directly what is in error.define body of Moses for us Nick? Was there an argument over the flesh of Moses? Was it his dead flesh or were they disputing over a live body?
Hey Nick…buddy old pal,
Do you not understand the concept of reading something and then using your brain to make sense out of what you have just read?
Truly you do seem like a parrot. Are we not suppose to UNDERSTAND the word of God, or are we just suppose to sit around and repeat it like a robot? Are we not suppose to test all things, prove all things, making sense out of all things?
A dispute occurred over the body of Moses, DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE WHEN AND WHY?
What is the author talking about?
Don't tell me, well what do the scriptures say, that is such a cop out. If you having nothing of substance to add to the conversation then don't bother posting worthless questions. I CLEARLY already told you what I believe the one scripture was talking about and I did it through the use of several scriptures. You don't ask people “what do the scriptures say”, after they just gave you a bunch of scriptures. If you can't point out what is exactly in error that I said, then don't hide behind your computer and act like you know the right answer, as if it's so simple anyone should get it by merely reading it. Your a moderator on this forum for crying out loud, you of all people should know that we are not here just to quote scripture back and forth but to share our understanding of them.
I know what the scriptures SAY, the question is WHAT DO THEY MEAN, what are we suppose to LEARN from them.
You accused me of taking the sacred words and making them say what I want. O.k fine that's your opinion, but you should be a decent human being and back up where you put your mouth with specifics. That is if you have any integrity in that soul of yours, otherwise in my book your nothing but a slandering arrogant hypocrite.
May God help you and your conscience, Jodi
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,10:07) Hi Jodi,
You do not believe scripture as written.
Yet you try to tell us what it means?
Hi Nick:I believe that you are being unfair to her. She used scripture to give us her understanding, and although I am not at this point sure about all she has stated, I believe that she is correct about “the body of Moses” to which Jude refers is not the literal flesh body of Moses but those under the law of Moses.
As she has said, if you disagree with her, give us your understanding of the scriptures and show us where she is in error.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
I believe things happen in spiritual realms of which we are only vaguely aware at times.
So I believe what scripture says about the body of Moses without allegorising it.Rather interesting how you tell me,”what do the scriptures say.”
Then you tell Marty, that basically some things are VAGUE because they occur in spiritual realms.
Why not say that in the first place Nick?
So basically as far as your concerned there is nothing to understand, no when, what or why.
I think you need to think about CONTEXT, why would the author write it in the first place? The author sure seemed to know what he was talking about, you don't think that the author knew that his readers would too?
Devil is the Greek word for slanderer.
Where in the bible do we see that the Greek word represents ONE being, and where do we see the identity of that person being a powerful spirit? Where do we see that slanderer falsely accuse human beings?
The devil in Revelation is directly shown to be Kings. Any human who falsely accuses, is a devil. It's that simple, Humans are the devil.
But because of your indoctrinization with your false belief that the devil is some rebel powerful being with the same powers as God, scripture unfortunately becomes a mystery to you, able to create NO purpose, NO understanding.
That really stinks for you Nick.
The author knew what he was talking about, it was not some secret mystery God told him to write down to baffle people.
In my archaeological bible it says in summary of the book of Jude,
“Jude clearly wanted to warn his READERS to beware of false brothers, who were infiltrating the churches, creating an irrelevant atmosphere, causing divisions and disseminating doubt and cynicism. Their motivation was greed and lust.”
You don't think the readers new their history?
You don't think that the Samaritans, who pretended at first to be friends and asked to help rebuild the temple, but turned against them as an adversary and a slanderer, SATAN & DEVIL, did not hold a significant place in the Jewish people's memory?
Look at the parallels
ZECHARIAH 3——————–JUDE 1
Joshua the high priest—————–The body of Moses
The angel of the Lord—————–Michael the arch angel
Satan.—————–The devil.
Oppose—————-Dispute
The Lord rebuke you—————–The Lord rebuke you
Nick, would you just rather forget that Zechariah in verse 3 is having a prophesy during the time that his people were facing the Samaritans as adversaries? It was Zechariah's job to bring encouragement to the builders? What better encouragement would there be then to tell them that he had a vision of God rebuking their PRESENT adversary the Samaritans?
Is it more convenient for you to set aside scripture and keep things a mystery because you'd rather hold to your doctrine then give meaning and understanding to scripture?
When we apply the history from the OT to Jude 1, and the message of which Jude is trying to bring in his writing, to beware of those who want to infiltrate and cause division…..for personal gain, can't you admit Nick, that Jude bringing up the history of the adversarial Samaritans who tried to infiltrate and cause division to stop the building of the temple, is Jude bringing forth a quite excellent example?
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 05 2009,14:54) Hey Nick…buddy old pal, Do you not understand the concept of reading something and then using your brain to make sense out of what you have just read?
Truly you do seem like a parrot. Are we not suppose to UNDERSTAND the word of God, or are we just suppose to sit around and repeat it like a robot? Are we not suppose to test all things, prove all things, making sense out of all things?
A dispute occurred over the body of Moses, DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE WHEN AND WHY?
What is the author talking about?
Don't tell me, well what do the scriptures say, that is such a cop out. If you having nothing of substance to add to the conversation then don't bother posting worthless questions. I CLEARLY already told you what I believe the one scripture was talking about and I did it through the use of several scriptures. You don't ask people “what do the scriptures say”, after they just gave you a bunch of scriptures. If you can't point out what is exactly in error that I said, then don't hide behind your computer and act like you know the right answer, as if it's so simple anyone should get it by merely reading it. Your a moderator on this forum for crying out loud, you of all people should know that we are not here just to quote scripture back and forth but to share our understanding of them.
I know what the scriptures SAY, the question is WHAT DO THEY MEAN, what are we suppose to LEARN from them.
You accused me of taking the sacred words and making them say what I want. O.k fine that's your opinion, but you should be a decent human being and back up where you put your mouth with specifics. That is if you have any integrity in that soul of yours, otherwise in my book your nothing but a slandering arrogant hypocrite.
May God help you and your conscience, Jodi
Jodi………Amen to that post, this is why this site gets so stagnate and no one seem to grow because when discussions are being made, alone comes Nick and destroys any advancements made , by His so called “what does scripture say” even thou we produce the scriptures time and time again, as i have with regards to the subject about Words (ARE) Spirit, He takes full liberty to change it to say (FROM) with total disregard of the POSTED and QUOTED scripture. He has yet to even admit to this simple scripture , but foams out all kinds of personal accusations and labeling s , but (NO) defense for what He thinks about what is Quoted except to twist it to meat His Indoctrinated conclusions. And if you retaliate to him He simple gives you a tile, even it is He who started and drew you into saying what you say to him. IMOpeace and love to you and your……………….gene
Quote (Gene @ June 06 2009,03:31) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 05 2009,14:54) Hey Nick…buddy old pal, Do you not understand the concept of reading something and then using your brain to make sense out of what you have just read?
Truly you do seem like a parrot. Are we not suppose to UNDERSTAND the word of God, or are we just suppose to sit around and repeat it like a robot? Are we not suppose to test all things, prove all things, making sense out of all things?
A dispute occurred over the body of Moses, DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE WHEN AND WHY?
What is the author talking about?
Don't tell me, well what do the scriptures say, that is such a cop out. If you having nothing of substance to add to the conversation then don't bother posting worthless questions. I CLEARLY already told you what I believe the one scripture was talking about and I did it through the use of several scriptures. You don't ask people “what do the scriptures say”, after they just gave you a bunch of scriptures. If you can't point out what is exactly in error that I said, then don't hide behind your computer and act like you know the right answer, as if it's so simple anyone should get it by merely reading it. Your a moderator on this forum for crying out loud, you of all people should know that we are not here just to quote scripture back and forth but to share our understanding of them.
I know what the scriptures SAY, the question is WHAT DO THEY MEAN, what are we suppose to LEARN from them.
You accused me of taking the sacred words and making them say what I want. O.k fine that's your opinion, but you should be a decent human being and back up where you put your mouth with specifics. That is if you have any integrity in that soul of yours, otherwise in my book your nothing but a slandering arrogant hypocrite.
May God help you and your conscience, Jodi
Jodi………Amen to that post, this is why this site gets so stagnate and no one seem to grow because when discussions are being made, alone comes Nick and destroys any advancements made , by His so called “what does scripture say” even thou we produce the scriptures time and time again, as i have with regards to the subject about Words (ARE) Spirit, He takes full liberty to change it to say (FROM) with total disregard of the POSTED and QUOTED scripture. He has yet to even admit to this simple scripture , but foams out all kinds of personal accusations and labeling s , but (NO) defense for what He thinks about what is Quoted except to twist it to meat His Indoctrinated conclusions. And if you retaliate to him He simple gives you a tile, even it is He who started and drew you into saying what you say to him. IMOpeace and love to you and your……………….gene
Thanks Gene,Yah, I think I know what you mean. I think Nick, knowing how I am, often just tries to aggravate me and get me to diverge from the subject matter.
What a great thing for a moderator on a Christian forum to do!
I know I would just be better off pretending like he does not exist, and ignore him when he posts like that.
Love to you, Jodi
Hi Jodi,
You seem to have a mission that differs from the one given us which is to preach the gospel.
Why are you instead determined to elevate your ideas over what is written?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,16:32) Hi 94,
I believe things happen in spiritual realms of which we are only vaguely aware at times.
So I believe what scripture says about the body of Moses without allegorising it.
Hi Nick:Well, what say you about the “body of Christ”?
Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
Meaning what?The flesh body of Jesus was taken up presumably to be clothed with his heavenly body just as ours will be,
Now those reborn into him have become part of his spiritual body on earth later to be united with the head, Jesus himselfHi Jodi,
You have put a great deal of thought into what you say about the body of Moses…it's interesting. Thanks!I was wondering who you thought tempted Christ in the desert after His 40 days fast in the wilderness.
The Temptation of Jesus
Matthew4:1-8
4:1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness 1 to be tempted by the devil. 4:2 After he fasted forty days and forty nights he was famished. 2 4:3 The tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become bread.” 3 4:4 But he answered, 4 “It is written, ‘Man 5 does not live 6 by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” 7 4:5 Then the devil took him to the holy city, 8 had him stand 9 on the highest point 10 of the temple, 4:6 and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. For it is written, ‘He will command his angels concerning you’ 11 and ‘with their hands they will lift you up, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” 12 4:7 Jesus said to him, “Once again it is written: ‘You are not to put the Lord your God to the test.’” 13 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their grandeur. 14 4:9 And he said to him, “I will give you all these things if you throw yourself to the ground and worship 15 me.” 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, “Go away, 16 Satan! For it is written: ‘You are to worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’” 17 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels 18 came and began ministering to his needs.Also, I like your avatar,
KathiQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,07:43) Hi Jodi,
You seem to have a mission that differs from the one given us which is to preach the gospel.
Why are you instead determined to elevate your ideas over what is written?
The Good News deals with the fact that Jesus destroyed the works of the devil! Therefore I believe knowing exactly what the devil represents is a crucial understanding.I don't elevate my ideas over what is written, I quote scripture on my posts and share my understanding of them.
You Nick seemed to be more interested in slandering people then you are in teaching the gospel.
I pray that God helps you and your conscience, Jodi
Quote (Gene @ June 06 2009,03:31) And if you retaliate to him He simple gives you a tile, even it is He who started and drew you into saying what you say to him.
Perhaps a better Moderator would be one that is not so personally active in the froums?I always thought that t8 handed out the warnings – not Nick? It would be difficult for Nick to remain subjective as he is the main contributor here? Anyway, my two cents.
Jodi and Gene,
I have noticed that lately, a few of the conversations that have stayed on track (and were respectfully carried out), just ignored Nick's jabs and continued their debate. He'll get the picture eventually if you can do this. That being said, I have also been very encouraged by Nick, and I have learned a lot from him. But if he is frustrating you, just try to ignore the comments made and move on. I enjoy hearing what you two have to say!
And it's always frustrating when the insight on any given subject turns into a “fight with Nick”. Love,
MandyQuote (Gene @ June 06 2009,03:31) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 05 2009,14:54) Hey Nick…buddy old pal, Do you not understand the concept of reading something and then using your brain to make sense out of what you have just read?
Truly you do seem like a parrot. Are we not suppose to UNDERSTAND the word of God, or are we just suppose to sit around and repeat it like a robot? Are we not suppose to test all things, prove all things, making sense out of all things?
A dispute occurred over the body of Moses, DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE WHEN AND WHY?
What is the author talking about?
Don't tell me, well what do the scriptures say, that is such a cop out. If you having nothing of substance to add to the conversation then don't bother posting worthless questions. I CLEARLY already told you what I believe the one scripture was talking about and I did it through the use of several scriptures. You don't ask people “what do the scriptures say”, after they just gave you a bunch of scriptures. If you can't point out what is exactly in error that I said, then don't hide behind your computer and act like you know the right answer, as if it's so simple anyone should get it by merely reading it. Your a moderator on this forum for crying out loud, you of all people should know that we are not here just to quote scripture back and forth but to share our understanding of them.
I know what the scriptures SAY, the question is WHAT DO THEY MEAN, what are we suppose to LEARN from them.
You accused me of taking the sacred words and making them say what I want. O.k fine that's your opinion, but you should be a decent human being and back up where you put your mouth with specifics. That is if you have any integrity in that soul of yours, otherwise in my book your nothing but a slandering arrogant hypocrite.
May God help you and your conscience, Jodi
Jodi………Amen to that post, this is why this site gets so stagnate and no one seem to grow because when discussions are being made, alone comes Nick and destroys any advancements made , by His so called “what does scripture say” even thou we produce the scriptures time and time again, as i have with regards to the subject about Words (ARE) Spirit, He takes full liberty to change it to say (FROM) with total disregard of the POSTED and QUOTED scripture. He has yet to even admit to this simple scripture , but foams out all kinds of personal accusations and labeling s , but (NO) defense for what He thinks about what is Quoted except to twist it to meat His Indoctrinated conclusions. And if you retaliate to him He simple gives you a tile, even it is He who started and drew you into saying what you say to him. IMOpeace and love to you and your……………….gene
Hi,
Should I not ask what the scriptures say?
Is this not a scripture study site?Certainly there seems more interest in personal opinion but we urge scriptural adherence.
That is how we maintain fellowship with the Father and the Son[2Jn]
Opposing speculation is a worthy work according to scripture.[2cor10]
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