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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2011,08:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2010,22:04) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,19:26) Mike Boll, This does not seem hard to understand by one whom claims scripture that is written by men is the Word of God. It does not care what instrument God used be it dog, man, angel, or even a donkey the word he speaks through them still originates with him.
I am totally convinced Jesus speaks the Word of God. Is a man speaking through the dog? Is a man using the angel as a speaker? If not then it is not a man speaking but if so it is a man speaking.
As to the answer to your question, there are the songs titled “me, myself, and I”. In the case of God and his Holy Spirit they are not physically connected as God nor does the Spirit have a physical element. The connection is spiritual. So the Spirit can be with God and is with God at all times and it is also in a sense God because God walks according to its ways and it is an expression of his will.
Sorry Kerwin,Your post is empty air. If someone says, “NOT MAN, BUT JESUS”, then the “NOT MAN” part CLEARLY and without a doubt says that Jesus is “NOT MAN”.
If this is the way you want to dance around the obvious and simple point I'm making, count me out. I've better things to do.
mike
MikeOr it could mean that Jesus is also God. Where do you get the notion that Jesus is no longer a man?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2011,08:01) Mike Or it could mean that Jesus is also God.
Galatians 1 NIV
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—Hi Keith,
Do you see the word “AND” in the scripture above? That word distinguishes Jesus Christ as someone other than God the Father, who raised him from the dead.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2011,08:01) Where do you get the notion that Jesus is no longer a man?
Do you see the words “NOT from MAN, BUT from JESUS” in the scripture above? Those words indicate that Jesus is no longer a man. And if you read 1 Cor 15:45, it explains that Jesus is no longer a man, because he became a “life-giving SPIRIT”.peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 31 2010,20:42) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:16) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,15:23) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,19:23) Irene, Why do you believe Jesus has the title of Word of God and God’s own Spirit does not?
I believe Ed was attempted to show by quoting Scripture that the Sword spoken of in Revelations 19:15 is the Word of God and we are instructed that the prophets of old spoke that same Word as they were carried along by the Spirit of Christ.
Jesus speaks that word because the Spirit dwells in him and God dwells in him through the Spirit that he has given Jesus in fulfillment of prophecy. My interpretation is supports the idea that John is speaking of God giving Jesus the Spirit of God in fulfillment of Isaiah 52:13-15.
I am looking to see though if anyone can provide scriptures that show that my hypothetical interpretation does not fit with scripture.
Hi Kerwin,Of course “The Word” is the HolySpirit: is the correct interpretation. Consider…
1Peter 1:11-12 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it
was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now
reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the HolySpirit sent
down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Both of your posts sound correct.
Hi Kerwin,Your fellow student! …Ed J
Are you trying to compliment him, or insult him?Georg
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 02 2011,19:16) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 31 2010,20:42) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:16) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,15:23) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,19:23) Irene, Why do you believe Jesus has the title of Word of God and God’s own Spirit does not?
I believe Ed was attempted to show by quoting Scripture that the Sword spoken of in Revelations 19:15 is the Word of God and we are instructed that the prophets of old spoke that same Word as they were carried along by the Spirit of Christ.
Jesus speaks that word because the Spirit dwells in him and God dwells in him through the Spirit that he has given Jesus in fulfillment of prophecy. My interpretation is supports the idea that John is speaking of God giving Jesus the Spirit of God in fulfillment of Isaiah 52:13-15.
I am looking to see though if anyone can provide scriptures that show that my hypothetical interpretation does not fit with scripture.
Hi Kerwin,Of course “The Word” is the HolySpirit: is the correct interpretation. Consider…
1Peter 1:11-12 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it
was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now
reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the HolySpirit sent
down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Both of your posts sound correct.
Hi Kerwin,Your fellow student! …Ed J
Are you trying to compliment him, or insult him?Georg
Hi Georg,You mean you don't know?… To another discerning of spirits; (1Cor.12:10)
You don't have the gift of discerning of spirits; do you, Georg?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2011,20:14) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 02 2011,19:16) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 31 2010,20:42) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:16) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,15:23) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,19:23) Irene, Why do you believe Jesus has the title of Word of God and God’s own Spirit does not?
I believe Ed was attempted to show by quoting Scripture that the Sword spoken of in Revelations 19:15 is the Word of God and we are instructed that the prophets of old spoke that same Word as they were carried along by the Spirit of Christ.
Jesus speaks that word because the Spirit dwells in him and God dwells in him through the Spirit that he has given Jesus in fulfillment of prophecy. My interpretation is supports the idea that John is speaking of God giving Jesus the Spirit of God in fulfillment of Isaiah 52:13-15.
I am looking to see though if anyone can provide scriptures that show that my hypothetical interpretation does not fit with scripture.
Hi Kerwin,Of course “The Word” is the HolySpirit: is the correct interpretation. Consider…
1Peter 1:11-12 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it
was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now
reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the HolySpirit sent
down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Both of your posts sound correct.
Hi Kerwin,Your fellow student! …Ed J
Are you trying to compliment him, or insult him?Georg
Hi Georg,You mean you don't know?… To another discerning of spirits; (1Cor.12:10)
You don't have the gift of discerning of spirits; do you, Georg?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
what spirit are you talking about? oh, I forgot, you don't know what a spirit is 
Georg
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2011,02:59) Hi Georg, Why do you say that?
Because I had ask you before.Georg
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,03:22) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2011,02:59) Hi Georg, Why do you say that?
Because I had ask you before.Georg
Hi Georg,Asked me what?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2011,05:05) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,03:22) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2011,02:59) Hi Georg, Why do you say that?
Because I had ask you before.Georg
Hi Georg,Asked me what?
I know you're not pretending to be so Georg
To all,
Please stop squabbling like children. Act more mature in Christ. This thread is to learn more about God's word and thus hopefully, him. Please put aside your grievances with one another and seek peace with God. Thank you.
Pierre,
I am not declaring that Jesus is God. I am declaring that God dwells in Jesus through the Holy Spirit and thus when Jesus speaks or acts; he is committing the acts of God and speaking the word of God.
Paul is acknowledging this fact with his words.It is simple, Jesus never speaks or acts for himself, but what he states and does is what God states and does through him as Jesus always lives by the Spirit.
That is what Scripture is speaking of when it calls Jesus Emanuel which is translated God with us.
Mike Boll,
I understand your point of view about what Paul stated and I disagree with it for the reasons I stated previously.
I wanted to see if you agree that Scripture in general declares that God dwells in Jesus through the Holy Spirit and thus Jesus is Emanuel.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2011,15:55) Pierre, I am not declaring that Jesus is God. I am declaring that God dwells in Jesus through the Holy Spirit and thus when Jesus speaks or acts; he is committing the acts of God and speaking the word of God.
Paul is acknowledging this fact with his words.It is simple, Jesus never speaks or acts for himself, but what he states and does is what God states and does through him as Jesus always lives by the Spirit.
That is what Scripture is speaking of when it calls Jesus Emanuel which is translated God with us.
KerwinI can agree with this ,but i don't know what you understand by the holy spirit?
Pierre
Pierre,
I am still in the process of learning about the Holy Spirit. At this time I understand that the Spirit of God is a part of God with characteristics of an individual person but never the less, not a separate person. I believe their relationship that would be similar to but not the same as the Mars rover and its operator. The Spirit is the righteous spirit God lives by as well as a more direct way for him to change, manage, or form his creations.
Feel free to voice your point of view about the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2011,19:20) Pierre, I am still in the process of learning about the Holy Spirit. At this time I understand that the Spirit of God is a part of God with characteristics of an individual person but never the less, not a separate person. I believe their relationship that would be similar to but not the same as the Mars rover and its operator. The Spirit is the righteous spirit God lives by as well as a more direct way for him to change, manage, or form his creations.
Feel free to voice your point of view about the Spirit.
Kerwinyou forgot we wen trough a discussion on this subject like almost a year ago,with WJ put a poll on it ,
i beleive it was call ;;what is the holy spirit ;;
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2011,12:20) Pierre, I am still in the process of learning about the Holy Spirit. At this time I understand that the Spirit of God is a part of God with characteristics of an individual person but never the less, not a separate person. I believe their relationship that would be similar to but not the same as the Mars rover and its operator. The Spirit is the righteous spirit God lives by as well as a more direct way for him to change, manage, or form his creations.
Feel free to voice your point of view about the Spirit.
Frankly, it puzzels me that so many don't understand the Holy Spirit. What is it that sets us apart from animals? is it not the fact that we have a “mind”? Where in your body would you find this “mind”? you can't, it is invisible, that is why Paul called it a “spirit”, a spirit is invisible, so is our mind.
God is spirit, but he is not a “mindless” spirit, God has a mind; Paul said, “let this “mind” be in you that was also in Christ Jesus”. Who's mind was in Jesus? the Father's “Mind”, his “Holy Mind/Spirit”.
That is what the Holy Spirit is, God's “mind”, not another person.
You don't call “your” mind another person, do you?Georg
Georg,
Philo of Alexander agrees with you and at one time I thought that might be the case but it seems clear Scripture does not as it is the Spirit of God that writes God's commands on our heart and mind.
That is why Jesus teaches us the Holy Spirit will teach us all things, John 14:26.
What scriptures do you have to support your idea?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2011,21:14) Georg, Philo of Alexander agrees with you and at one time I thought that might be the case but it seems clear Scripture does not as it is the Spirit of God that writes God's commands on our heart and mind.
That is why Jesus teaches us the Holy Spirit will teach us all things, John 14:26.
What scriptures do you have to support your idea?
Who was Philo of Alexander? not that I care.What is the Spirit “OF” God?
What is the spirit “of” kerwin?
Georg
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2011,04:14) Georg, Philo of Alexander agrees with you and at one time I thought that might be the case but it seems clear Scripture does not as it is the Spirit of God that writes God's commands on our heart and mind.
That is why Jesus teaches us the Holy Spirit will teach us all things, John 14:26.
What scriptures do you have to support your idea?
KerwinPhilo was himself following someone else ,why is it so difficult for people just to study the scriptures and learn
they always look for men s view,
Pierre
Georg,
Philo of Alexander was more aware of the culture and way that Jesus, Paul, and other Jews of his time thought than you do. It is only the arrogant that ignore the cultural context of scripture as it is clearly written that Paul would be a Jew to a Jew and a Gentile to a Gentile. If you know God n then It is simple enough to test whether the beliefs that such an individual had are consistent with scripture or not just like it is simple enough to test whether your beliefs agree or do not agree with scripture.
It is good that you acknowledge you do not know what the Spirit of God is because that means you are open to learn what it is.
The spirit of man is corrupt which is why Jesus teaches us we must be born again in spirit.
Pierre,
The lesson of scripture is to properly understand the word of God. That is why having it written in a language you can understand fluently is important. Human languages are often dependant on the context of unspoken words that the writer and his audience are aware of. In the case of scripture the audience is those that became Christians in the First Century and the culture that revolved around God they held in common. Philo gives us some insight into that culture that can prevent us from misunderstanding the intent of scripture. Since he is most likely from a sect that is different than the one Jesus and his disciples were members of it is quite obvious any tenet he advocates may be unscriptural. That is why we test the spirit of each of his tenets by scripture. Still his writings can aid us to properly understand scripture.
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