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Quote (barley @ June 22 2010,12:27) The topic of this forum being, “Jesus was sent. What does that mean? It is clear and indisputable that God sent Jesus Christ and God has the greater authority.
When we stray from the topic then we cause unnecessary dilemmas.
Jesus Christ was sent, Jesus Christ having freedom of will, chose to go where he was sent. Jesus Christ chose to do the Father's will. Jesus Christ chose to believe all the OT scriptures concerning himself, and of course the rest of them too.
Jesus Christ recognized from the OT that it is God that empowers men to do miracles, heal the sick, etc. Jesus Christ chose to obey.
God has more power, authority, wisdom, knowledge, etc, that Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ recognized this and chose to be a loving, obedient son so that he could glorify God.
We have the same opportunity, privilege and responsibility.
We can chose to believe God's Word and reap the benefits to ourselves and others or ignore it.
Let us hold fast to the scriptures.
Well said barley!
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 04 2010,10:20) David said: Quote This is the one thing that I always feels comes off wrong when speaking of the trinity/nontrinity. It always seems like we are saying Jesus is not worthy of all respect and glory. As God's Son, and for what he did, he is worthy of so much.
David,Your confession that Jesus is worthy is only lip service. You JW's and anti-ts consistently and relentlessly reduce jesus to the level of others by saying things like “Moses was a savior too” or “the angels are also sons.”
The fact is you stop far short of giving Jesus the glory that is required of you.
Hebrews 3:1-6:
1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builder. Verse 4 says that the builder is God. Therefore, Christ is God or He receives equal glory with God.
KJ
I find your comments most interesting and enlightening. Trinitarians assume that because scriptures do not teach the trinity and that they do not teach that Jesus Christ is God, that those who believe scripture somehow denigrate Jesus Christ.Based on what?
People who know what Jesus Christ accomplished, being human, are all the more aware of how great a man of God Jesus Christ is.
JC did every thing he did as a human.
He showed us the potential we have if we, as humans would live according to the scriptures.
If JC is God, what is the big deal if he did God's will. Is it noteworthy if God did what God does? That would be par for the course. Being a man, not God, Jesus Christ accomplished things most trinitarians will never be able to experience, because they limit their own potential by assuming that JC is God.
Was JC just a man?
Let's review his life and yours:
How many lepers have you healed?
How many lame have you healed?
How many blind have you caused to see?
How many people have you raised from the dead?
Have you fed thousands with one “happy meal?” And had baskets full of leftovers?
Did God say of you, “this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased?” Even once?
Are you the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world?
Did God take you up to be seated at the right hand of God?
Doesn't sound like “just a man” to me.
Seems to me we have a long way to go, before we become “just a man” like Jesus Christ.
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