- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 30 2010,07:59) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 30 2010,03:39) JustAskin said: Quote Here is a question for the Wise:
When Jesus 'Emptied' himself of Divinity and became man in the flesh, was he still 'God'(Trinity wise)?
Jesus did not and indeed could not empty Himself of His divinity. He emptied Himself of the free exercise of His divine perogatives. He made Himself a servant. He was God in the form of a servant. It's not hard to understand JA. Stick with fishin JA.
Kangaroo Jack
KJ……….Then why did He heal people? if as you say he emptied himself of All Divinity. How was that possible to heal or walk on water or go through doors or raise the dead. There remains only one way and that is If GOD were With HIM as He was with all the Prophets of OLD. Jesus Plainly said he did what he did (BY) the finger of GOD , but never said (HE) was that GOD doing it. Dump you trinity garbage KJ, and the fog might leave your mind. IMOpeace and love…………..gene
Gene,Read my post again. I said that He did not and could not empty Himself of His divinity. I said that He emptied Himself of the free exercise of His divine perogatives. Therefore, all that He did was by His Father's promptings because He became a servant. But He has since been exalted and now does His own will.
It is you anti-trinitarians who say that we say that He emptied Himself of His divinity.
KJ
Kangaroo Jack said:
Quote Jesus did not and indeed could not empty Himself of His divinity. He emptied Himself of the free exercise of His divine perogatives. He made Himself a servant. He was God in the form of a servant. It's not hard to understand JA. Is. 1:18 replied:
Quote You are correct. Glad you knocked that straw man down (again). It's irritating to have to continually correct these misrepresentations isn't it? Then Gene said:
Quote KJ……….Then why did He heal people? if as you say he emptied himself of All Divinity.
The misrepresentation Is. 1:18 speaks about continues….KJ
Hey,, i got an email today concerning the Trinity.
Apparently the Trinity has Dropped the 'CoEquallity' and replaced it with 'CoEternal' and 'CoExistent'…whatever they mean.
The Trinity now accepts heirachiallity of the three and explicitly states that the Father is Greater than Jesus and that they ALL have different Qualities… But yet are still the same ONE God.
That God is in the Three separate independent persons who are all God because God is in them.
This is wierd. what this is saying is that there is God who is in control of the the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
So there is One overarching God who is over them all.
One God the Father
One God the Son
And one God the Holy Spirit“But they were all of the deceived, for another God was formed in secret, in the fiery volcano of Kazadoom: A Master God.
One God to rule them all”Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,08:29) “there are none so blind as those who will not see”(Yeshua, ~AD30)
Is8you right anyone who does not see truth see the trinity as a compensation prize from Satan.
made for the willingly blindQuote I was replying to Jodi Lee's insinuation that Jesus had no say in offering Himself up to die for us. –KJ
KJ, (this is another confusing name, as KJ has been used for KJ bible about 10,000 times on here.)
KJ, I agree with you on that point. However, I disagree with your words which are basically the EXACT opposite of what the Bible says:
“Jesus also came on His own initiative.”–Jack
“I have not come of my own initiative”–JesusSo, anyway, the rest of what you say doesn't really matter, because I don't disagree with you. Jesus did have a choice. He wholeheartedly accepted it. He wanted to do this more than anyone else. The rest of what you say is arguments not against me, but are made up arguments for your own sake.
“JESUS DID NOT HAVE TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE! YOU ARE TAKING AWAY FROM HIS LOVE FOR YOU!
Shame on you for taking away from the fact that Jesus gave Himself because He loved you. And shame on you for pulling a Mikeboll. I charge you David to disprove that Jesus gave up His life of Himself:”Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 28 2010,11:16) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 27 2010,10:20) I exalt Jesus to no less a position than that which His Father exalted Him.
Amen brother. And of course the NT writer's did not hold back in their exaltation of Yeshua either. The highest possible statements are made of Him. As an aside – it's interesting to me that readers are NEVER cautioned by NT authors about taking their adulation of Yeshua too far? Not once are we told to be wary of extolling Him to too high a plateau, or breaking the first two commandments in our relationship with Yeshua. How curious.
This is the one thing that I always feels comes off wrong when speaking of the trinity/nontrinity.It always seems like we are saying Jesus is not worthy of all respect and glory. As God's Son, and for what he did, he is worthy of so much.
But because of the position we are put in (explaining that Jesus is not God Almighty, a trinity) it often seems as if we are put in the almost awkward position of having to explain the truth, which is that Jesus was God's Son, the son of God. That is their relationship.
As a Father sends a son, so God sent his Son. And Jesus of course, wholeheartedly accepted this mission.
Quote (terraricca @ May 30 2010,09:27) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,08:29) “there are none so blind as those who will not see”(Yeshua, ~AD30)
Is8you right anyone who does not see truth see the trinity as a compensation prize from Satan.
made for the willingly blind
And those who don't believe in God, get the Evolution compensation prize.David said:
Quote This is the one thing that I always feels comes off wrong when speaking of the trinity/nontrinity. It always seems like we are saying Jesus is not worthy of all respect and glory. As God's Son, and for what he did, he is worthy of so much.
David,Your confession that Jesus is worthy is only lip service. You JW's and anti-ts consistently and relentlessly reduce jesus to the level of others by saying things like “Moses was a savior too” or “the angels are also sons.”
The fact is you stop far short of giving Jesus the glory that is required of you.
Hebrews 3:1-6:
1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builder. Verse 4 says that the builder is God. Therefore, Christ is God or He receives equal glory with God.
KJ
Hi KJ,
You would understand these things and would not have to rely on logic and inference if you knew the Father and the Son and were reborn from above.Seek first the kingdom
Hi KJ,
Your knowledge of scripture could be very useful to the kingdom if you gained the wisdom and understanding to go with it and did not use it to make others stumble.Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 28 2010,13:50) What does the phrase “Son of God” mean? Give me a precise definition with scriptual support.
Hi Isaiah 1:18, (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)It means “Jesus' Father” was GOD. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35 / Hebrews 7:28) Also click here
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,10:34) Hi KJ,
Your knowledge of scripture could be very useful to the kingdom if you gained the wisdom and understanding to go with it and did not use it to make others stumble.
Nick,
What does the text say? It CLEARLY says that Jesus is counted worthy of more glory than Moses:For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God.
It says that Jesus is counted worthy of more glory than Moses “inasmuch as He who built the house receives more glory than the house.”
The house receives no glory at all Nick. Therefore, Moses receives no glory and Christ receives all the glory; He receives the glory of the builder which is God.
So when David says that he glorifies Christ and then makes men like Moses comparable to Christ, that glory David gives is mere lip service.
KJ
The topic of this forum being, “Jesus was sent. What does that mean?
It is clear and indisputable that God sent Jesus Christ and God has the greater authority.
When we stray from the topic then we cause unnecessary dilemmas.
Jesus Christ was sent, Jesus Christ having freedom of will, chose to go where he was sent. Jesus Christ chose to do the Father's will. Jesus Christ chose to believe all the OT scriptures concerning himself, and of course the rest of them too.
Jesus Christ recognized from the OT that it is God that empowers men to do miracles, heal the sick, etc. Jesus Christ chose to obey.
God has more power, authority, wisdom, knowledge, etc, that Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ recognized this and chose to be a loving, obedient son so that he could glorify God.
We have the same opportunity, privilege and responsibility.
We can chose to believe God's Word and reap the benefits to ourselves and others or ignore it.
Let us hold fast to the scriptures.
Quote (barley @ June 22 2010,12:27) The topic of this forum being, “Jesus was sent. What does that mean? It is clear and indisputable that God sent Jesus Christ and God has the greater authority.
When we stray from the topic then we cause unnecessary dilemmas.
Jesus Christ was sent, Jesus Christ having freedom of will, chose to go where he was sent. Jesus Christ chose to do the Father's will. Jesus Christ chose to believe all the OT scriptures concerning himself, and of course the rest of them too.
Jesus Christ recognized from the OT that it is God that empowers men to do miracles, heal the sick, etc. Jesus Christ chose to obey.
God has more power, authority, wisdom, knowledge, etc, that Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ recognized this and chose to be a loving, obedient son so that he could glorify God.
We have the same opportunity, privilege and responsibility.
We can chose to believe God's Word and reap the benefits to ourselves and others or ignore it.
Let us hold fast to the scriptures.
Well said barley!
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
