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Starting in Matthew, we will notice that the disciples never send Jesus anywhere. We will notice that when someone “sends” someone, there is a pattern: The one doing the sending has more authority than the one sent.
Then Herod, seeing he had been outwitted by the astrologers, fell into a great rage, and he sent out and had all the boys in Beth′le·hem
(Herod sends out soldiers who are below him)As soon as the crowd had been sent outside, he went in and took hold of her hand, and the little girl got up
(Jesus sent crowd outside)These twelve Jesus sent forth
(Jesus sends his apostles out)“He that receives YOU receives me also, and he that receives me receives him also that sent me forth.
(God sent Jesus forth)But John, having heard in jail about the works of the Christ, sent by means of his own disciples
(John the baptist sends his disciples)and he sent and had John beheaded in the prison.
(King sends his servant to behead John)Then, without delay, he compelled his disciples to board the boat and go ahead of him to the other side, while he sent the crowds away. Eventually, having sent the crowds away,
(Jesus sends crowds/followers away)I was not sent forth to any but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(Jesus sent by Father)When he had agreed with the workers for a de·nar′i·us a day, he sent them forth into his vineyard.
(Homeowner sends out his workers)then Jesus sent forth two disciples,
(Jesus sends his followers)And he sent forth his slaves to call those invited to the marriage feast, but they were unwilling to come. 4 Again he sent forth other slaves
(King sending forth slaves)But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies
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ETC.I think we get the idea here:
–A king sends his servants, and armies. BUT The servants never send the king.
–A teacher sends his followers. BUT The followers never send the teacher.
–A man sends his workers. BUT The workers never send their owner.
–Jesus sends apostles, disciples, crowds, and followers. BUT They never send Jesus.WE COULD GO THROUGH EVER SINGLE VERSE WHERE SOMEONE IS SENT. We would find the same thing:
The one doing the sending has MORE AUTHORITY then the one being sent. They are not equal in authority.
If we were to continue through the New Testament, we'd find that 20 times or so Jesus is mentioned as being sent by his Father. There is never any mention that Jesus will or would or has ever “sent” his Father to do his (Jesus') will.
It is always the other way around.A Vice President Never sends the President out to do the Vice President's will. Why? Because one has more authority. One is above the other.
Before the false accusations begin from those who like to “think” about such things, I should say that of course, this doesn't mean the Vice President isn't an excellent person with great authority himself. It only means they he is not equal in authority or power to the President.david
As a side point, Phil 2: 8 says that Jesus was “obedient” as far as death. He was obeying God's will.
Over and over again, Jesus said that he came to do his Father's will and not that of his own.
He was obedient to his Father, who sent him to do his will. Of course, as Phil 2:5-8 show, Jesus humbly emptied himself and took on a human form. But this was not his idea. He accepted it humbly, but it was not his idea. Over and over again, he says he was doing his Father's will.
OK, I thought I should actually look up the scriptures where we are told Jesus is sent:
JOHN 3:17
“For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.”
JOHN 3:34
“For the one whom God sent forth speaks the sayings of God, for he does not give the spirit by measure.”
JOHN 4:34
“Jesus said to them: “My food is for me to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work.”
JOHN 5:23-24
“in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Most truly I say to YOU, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.”
JOHN 5:30
“I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
JOHN 5:37
“Also, the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. YOU have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his figure;”
JOHN 6:38-39
“because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me. This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect it at the last day.”
JOHN 6:44
“No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day.”
JOHN 6:57
“Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.”
JOHN 7:16
“Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me.”
JOHN 7:18
“He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but he that seeks the glory of him that sent him, this one is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him.”
JOHN 7:28
“Therefore Jesus cried out as he was teaching in the temple and said: “YOU both know me and know where I am from. Also, I have not come of my own initiative, but he that sent me is real, and YOU do not know him.”
JOHN 7:33
“Therefore Jesus said: “I continue a little while longer with YOU before I go to him that sent me.”
JOHN 8:16-17
“And yet if I do judge, my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me. Also, in YOUR own Law it is written, ‘The witness of two men is true.’”
JOHN 8:26
“I have many things to speak concerning YOU and to pass judgment upon. As a matter of fact, he that sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.””
JOHN 8:29
“And he that sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.””
JOHN 8:42
“Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth.”
JOHN 9:4
“We must work the works of him that sent me while it is day; the night is coming when no man can work.”
JOHN 12:44-45
“However, Jesus cried out and said: “He that puts faith in me puts faith, not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me; and he that beholds me beholds [also] him that sent me.”
JOHN 12:49
“because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.”
JOHN 13:20
“Most truly I say to YOU, He that receives anyone I send receives me [also]. In turn he that receives me, receives [also] him that sent me.””
JOHN 14:24
“He that does not love me does not observe my words; and the word that YOU are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me.”
JOHN 15:21
“But they will do all these things against YOU on account of my name, because they do not know him that sent me.”
JOHN 16:5
“But now I am going to him that sent me, and yet not one of YOU asks me, ‘Where are you going?’”
JOHN 17:3
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”
JOHN 17:8
“because the sayings that you gave me I have given to them, and they have received them and have certainly come to know that I came out as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me forth.”
JOHN 17:18
“Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world.”
JOHN 17:21
“in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.”
JOHN 17:23
“I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, that the world may have the knowledge that you sent me forth and that you loved them just as you loved me.”
JOHN 17:25
“Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you; but I have come to know you, and these have come to know that you sent me forth.”
JOHN 20:21
“Jesus, therefore, said to them again: “May YOU have peace. Just as the Father has sent me forth, I also am sending YOU.””
MATTHEW 10:40
““He that receives YOU receives me also, and he that receives me receives him also that sent me forth.”
MATTHEW 15:24
“In answer he said: “I was not sent forth to any but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.””
MARK 9:37
““Whoever receives one of such young children on the basis of my name, receives me; and whoever receives me, receives, not me only, but also him that sent me forth.””
MARK 12:1-6
“Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. Now in due season he sent forth a slave to the cultivators, that he might get some of the fruits of the vineyard from the cultivators. But they took him, beat him up and sent him away empty. And again he sent forth another slave to them; and that one they struck on the head and dishonored. And he sent forth another, and that one they killed; and many others, some of whom they beat up and some of whom they killed. One more he had, a beloved son. He sent him forth last to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’”
LUKE 10:16
““He that listens to YOU listens to me [too]. And he that disregards YOU disregards me [too]. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards [also] him that sent me forth.””
LUKE 4:18
““Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release,”
LUKE 4:43
“But he said to them: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth.””
LUKE 10:16
““He that listens to YOU listens to me [too]. And he that disregards YOU disregards me [too]. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards [also] him that sent me forth.””
DEUTERONOMY 18:18
“A prophet I shall raise up for them from the midst of their brothers, like you; and I shall indeed put my words in his mouth, and he will certainly speak to them all that I shall command him.”Quote But she [Jodi Lee] takes away from the fact Jesus also came on His own initiative. –Kangaroooo Jack
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….t=3128;“Also, I have not come of my own initiative, but he that sent me is real. . . .” (John 7:28)
“Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. . . . I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 5:19,30)
Jack as you can see, scripture is clear. In that other thread you seemed to attack Jodi Lee for saying exactly what the scripture says. You say the exact opposite of what scripture says.
“Jesus also came on His own initiative.”–Jack
“I have not come of my own initiative”–JesusWho to believe?
Quote (david @ May 26 2010,17:19) Quote But she [Jodi Lee] takes away from the fact Jesus also came on His own initiative. –Kangaroooo Jack
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….t=3128;“Also, I have not come of my own initiative, but he that sent me is real. . . .” (John 7:28)
“Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. . . . I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 5:19,30)
Jack as you can see, scripture is clear. In that other thread you seemed to attack Jodi Lee for saying exactly what the scripture says. You say the exact opposite of what scripture says.
“Jesus also came on His own initiative.”–Jack
“I have not come of my own initiative”–JesusWho to believe?
David,You misrepresent me as you do the scriptures. I was replying to Jodi Lee's insinuation that Jesus had no say in offering Himself up to die for us. Here is what I said:
Quote Jodi Lee does not share the affections for Jesus that the Father has for Him. Jesus had the assurance that His Father loved Him because He lays down His life of Himself. 17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Then I said,
Quote Note also that Jesus possessed the right to lay down His life “of Himself.” While on earth this is the only area inwhich Christ did act on His own. In all others areas He did nothing “of Himself.” But Jodi Lee does not want us to appreciate Him.
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….t=3128;There it is David! I said that His act of laying down His own life was the “ONLY area” inwhich Christ did act on His own. Then I made it even more clear saying, “In ALL OTHER AREAS Jesus did nothing of Himself.”
Mikeboll tried this tactic also by falsely accusing me of saying that Jesus is above the Father. But it didn't work. I exposed Mike as easily as I am exposing you. See the last two pages of my debate with him.
Do you really believe that Jesus had no power over His own life in reference to offering it up for our benefit? Come on! Jesus said that He had the authority to call the whole thing off. He said that the Father would have sent Him twelve legions of angels if He had asked.
JESUS DID NOT HAVE TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE! YOU ARE TAKING AWAY FROM HIS LOVE FOR YOU!
Shame on you for taking away from the fact that Jesus gave Himself because He loved you. And shame on you for pulling a Mikeboll.
I charge you David to disprove that Jesus gave up His life of Himself:Galatians 2:20 NWT:
20 I am impaled along with Christ. It is no longer I that live, but it is Christ that is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in flesh I live by the faith that is toward the Son of God, WHO LOVED ME and HANDED HIMSELF OVER for me.
Jack
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2010,06:24) Hi KJ,
Do you really think folk fear your pathetic mockery?
We serve an awesome God.
Nick,Those who deny Jesus are the real mockers here.
Jack
Hi KJ,
AS you say denying the Lordship of Jesus is folly.
So why do you do so making him another god?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2010,09:50) Hi KJ,
AS you say denying the Lordship of Jesus is folly.
So why do you do so making him another god?
I exalt Jesus to no less a position than that which His Father exalted Him. Those who deny that he gave His own life of Himself like you and david deny that he is truly and properly the Savior.the Roo
KJ………That statement is not true , you exult Jesus to very Position of GOD, something He never did. WE Honor Jesus “TO THE GLORY OF GOD” You honor Jesus as a TRUE GOD HIMSELF, big difference. WE believe Where GOD said “YOU SHALL HAVE (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDES ME” and you and the rest of the Trinitarians have three GODS You try to mix into one. WE believe When Jesus said “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD, you and the rest of the trinitarians don't believe that. So you set out to twist and force text to (try) to support you dogmas. IMO
peace and love……………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 28 2010,01:41) KJ………That statement is not true , you exult Jesus to very Position of GOD, something He never did. WE Honor Jesus “TO THE GLORY OF GOD” You honor Jesus as a TRUE GOD HIMSELF, big difference. WE believe Where GOD said “YOU SHALL HAVE (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDES ME” and you and the rest of the Trinitarians have three GODS You try to mix into one. WE believe When Jesus said “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD, you and the rest of the trinitarians don't believe that. So you set out to twist and force text to (try) to support you dogmas. IMO peace and love……………..gene
Gene,You misrepresent me like David did. I have called on anti-trinitarians several times here to confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of God the Father. You have a lot of nerve my friend. You deny that the Father is the greatest gift because Jesus reveals the Father. You say that eternal life is the greatest gift. But you ignore that Jesus gives that too.
Take the beam out of your own eye. If you acknowledged that the Father is the greatest gift you have to give the credit to Jesus for making the Father known to you. Therefore, you reduce the Father to a status of lesser importance so you don't have to give Christ the glory for giving you the greatest gift.
KJ
KJ………..What about the rest of the Prophets of GOD what did they do , Keep GOD in Secret? “GOD HAS Spoken to us in times past thorough the prophets has in these latter day spoken to us (through) a son”. It is still GOD Speaking , no matter who he uses, a Son or a Prophet. You are limiting GOD to (ONLY) the SON and that is what i would call disrespectful. IMO
peace and love……………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 28 2010,02:37) KJ………..What about the rest of the Prophets of GOD what did they do , Keep GOD in Secret? “GOD HAS Spoken to us in times past thorough the prophets has in these latter day spoken to us (through) a son”. It is still GOD Speaking , no matter who he uses, a Son or a Prophet. You are limiting GOD to (ONLY) the SON and that is what i would call disrespectful. IMO peace and love……………………….gene
Gene,Jesus said that He may reveal the Father to whomsoever He wills.
Matthew 11:27:
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him
Do you believe this or not?
KJ
Hi KJ,
Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God?
It should clarify a lot for youKJ……….The Father will reveal himself to whom ever he choses to , He has revealed Himself to me many times , through answered Prayer and Miracles in my life. KJ……. did Jesus reveal GOD to you, if so please tell how he did?
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 28 2010,08:58) KJ……….The Father will reveal himself to whom ever he choses to , He has revealed Himself to me many times , through answered Prayer and Miracles in my life. KJ……. did Jesus reveal GOD to you, if so please tell how he did? peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Gene,You blatantly contradict Jesus! You invoke His words when they agree with you. But you deny Jesus' words when they don't agree with you.
The scripture does not say that the Father revealed Himself to you. It says that the Son revealed the Father to you.
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Matthew 11:27
roo
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2010,10:12) Hi KJ,
Now the Lord is the Spirit.
Where is the problem?
Nick,What did Jesus say? He said the the Son reveals the Father to whomsoever HE WILLS.
Got a problem with that?
roo
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 27 2010,10:20) I exalt Jesus to no less a position than that which His Father exalted Him.
Amen brother. And of course the NT writer's did not hold back in their exaltation of Yeshua either. The highest possible statements are made of Him. As an aside – it's interesting to me that readers are NEVER cautioned by NT authors about taking their adulation of Yeshua too far? Not once are we told to be wary of extolling Him to too high a plateau, or breaking the first two commandments in our relationship with Yeshua. How curious.
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