Jesus was caught up to heaven in flesh body

[Wakeup]

The Lord met Abraham in the flesh; he ate and drank.
If Abraham would have touched him,he would have felt flesh and bone. What do you think?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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The Lord met Abraham in the flesh; he ate and drank. If Abraham would have touched him,he would have felt flesh and bone. What do you think? wakeup.

Wp

But did not Abraham called the angel of the Lord as well LORD ???

[mikeboll64]

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Nick; I am the one that believes he is flesh and bone and not solely composed of spirit.

Galatians 5
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another……..

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2012,06:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2012,16:26) Hi KW, Would you ask to put your hand in his side too? Nick; I am the one that believes he is flesh and bone and not solely composed of spirit. Kerwin. How does it feel to go against scripture? wakeup.

Wakeup;

This is what Scripture declares:

Luke 24:39
King James Version (KJV)

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

You are the one that disagrees with this Scripture. You just don't want to surrender the powerful delusion you have been indoctrinated with.

[terraricca]

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 10 2012,03:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2012,06:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2012,16:26) Hi KW, Would you ask to put your hand in his side too? Nick; I am the one that believes he is flesh and bone and not solely composed of spirit. Kerwin. How does it feel to go against scripture? wakeup. Wakeup; This is what Scripture declares: Luke 24:39 King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. You are the one that disagrees with this Scripture.  You just don't want to surrender the powerful delusion you have been indoctrinated with.

K

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Luke 24:39 King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

what is it that ,that scripture says???that Christ was dead and is now resurrected,

what was the purpose of Christ to make him known to his disciples after his resurrection ?is it not to show them that he has been resurrected yes

that scripture does not teach that Christ keeps his visible appearance in heaven ,this is what you want to assume.

[kerwin]

T;

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that scripture does not teach that Christ keeps his visible appearance in heaven ,this is what you want to assume.

You assume that Jesus is a spirit being in heaven despite his actively giving evidence he is flesh and bone instead.   That scripture teaches us that body that was quickened was not spirit and is flesh and bone.

Scripture teaches:

1 Corinthians 15:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

And
1 Corinthians 15
King James Version (KJV)

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

The body changes from natural to spiritual in the tomb.  Jesus was housed in a dead natural body when he was planted and was quickened and came up housed in a spiritual body.  The flesh he was buried in is not the same as the flesh he rose in for all flesh is not the same.  The body he rose in is not spirit but it is flesh and bone.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
1Cor 15 disagrees with your idea that changes occur in the tomb.

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2012,02:21) Wakeup; What you state is not taught in Scriptures.  It is taught that the body that is laid in the grave is not the body that rises out of the grave.  We are taught that the body that rose out of Jesus grave is flesh and bone and that it is that same body he was seen ascending to heaven in.  We are also taught he will descend in the same manner. To eat his flesh and drink his blood is to put on the new man created in his image.  That is done by faith from first to last. Kerwin. My flesh is meat indeed,and my blood is drink indeed.His flesh is spirit,not meat and bone as you say. How are you to eat his flesh?,since you say it is flesh and bone,not faith or spirit. Are you to chew on his flesh?How is this done? wakeup.

Wakeup;

Do you believe that those that hunger and thirst for righteousness are filled by putting on the new man; that is created like God in true holiness and righteousness?

Do you believe that is accomplished by faith from first to last?

Do you believe it is necessary to believe all of Jesus' teachings?

Do you believe it is faith in all of Jesus' teachings from first to last that is the food and drink God's people crave?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2012,02:43)

Hi KW, 1Cor 15 disagrees with your idea that changes occur in the tomb.

Nick;

I have sown seeds and they do not rise as seeds but instead become whatever plant Yawheh has appointed. Why would
you claim otherwise?

Jesus' seed was planted in his tomb and arose as the plant Yawheh appointed.  Like unto a seed body to plant body the change occurred between the time it was planted and the time it rose.

That is the resurrection 1 Corinthians 15 teaches us.  Do you know another one?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The planted old body is raised for us to be alike to the man from heaven.
If we have a new glorious body why would his be tattered and torn?
Your striving seems more to be to prove your own doctrine

[mikeboll64]

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Luke 24:39 King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Hi Kerwin,

Doesn't that scripture work against you?  It was Jesus who taught us in John 3 that flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God.  Paul reaffirmed that teaching in 1 Cor 15.  Now you quote Jesus saying, “a spirit hath not flesh and bones”, yet we know Jesus became a life-giving spirit who most definitely did inherit God's Kingdom.

[terraricca]

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T; Quote that scripture does not teach that Christ keeps his visible appearance in heaven ,this is what you want to assume. You assume that Jesus is a spirit being in heaven despite his actively giving evidence he is flesh and bone instead.   That scripture teaches us that body that was quickened was not spirit and is flesh and bone. Scripture teaches: 1 Corinthians 15:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And 1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV) 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. The body changes from natural to spiritual in the tomb.  Jesus was housed in a dead natural body when he was planted and was quickened and came up housed in a spiritual body.  The flesh he was buried in is not the same as the flesh he rose in for all flesh is not the same.  The body he rose in is not spirit but it is flesh and bone.

k

you try to hard to make us like Christ but we are not,

we are not Gods only begotten son,neither are you ,

Christ was the son of God before he was send to uS in this world to save us ,and when all his work here was done return to his father and took back his nature that he had before he came ,and that nature is a godly nature ;;SPIRIT ';;

WE MEN WE ARE DIFERENT we are flesh and stay flesh until we die, then we would be resurrected flesh ,if not for some little flock of 144k will be resurrected with a spirit nature to join Christ as they have received that promise ,

and Paul addresses the remnant (144k) in Christ and does not talk in your quoted scriptures about any one else .

the fact that you can not see the preexistance of Gods son ,make you a blind to that true understanding ,can not help you there ,we have shown you all the angles and refuse it ,so be it ,you stuck in it ,truth will not increase for you .and remain in the flesh.

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2012,13:11) Luke 24:39 King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Hi Kerwin, Doesn't that scripture work against you?  It was Jesus who taught us in John 3 that flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God.  Paul reaffirmed that teaching in 1 Cor 15.  Now you quote Jesus saying, “a spirit hath not flesh and bones”, yet we know Jesus became a life-giving spirit who most definitely did inherit God's Kingdom.

Mike;

The seed of the kingdom was planted by Jesus as he preached the coming of the kingdom.  That seed has transformed into a plant and is growing large.   It has both good and bad branches at this time.  A time will come when the bad branches are pruned and thrown into the flames.

As to Jesus' words to the effect that flesh is made of flesh and spirit of spirit.  His body was flesh at the time.  Was it made from spirit?  Was it later made spirit? Stating yes to either of those questions seems to conflict with Jesus' words.

It is my hope that my spirit is being made again by the Spirit; my flesh has been made from the flesh of my parents.

[kerwin]

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Hi KW, The planted old body is raised for us to be alike to the man from heaven. If we have a new glorious body why would his be tattered and torn? Your striving seems more to be to prove your own doctrine

Nick;

Revelation 5:12
King James Version (KJV)

12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 5:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Revelation 13:8
King James Version (KJV)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[mikeboll64]

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As to Jesus' words to the effect that flesh is made of flesh and spirit of spirit. His body was flesh at the time. Was it made from spirit? Was it later made spirit? Stating yes to either of those questions seems to conflict with Jesus' words.

In what way would it conflict with Jesus' words? Are you saying that God can't cause those who are flesh to be born again, not of flesh, but of water and spirit so they can inherit His Kingdom?

And don't forget that Jesus was an exception to almost every human rule. No one else has ever had God as their biological Father and a human woman as their mother, right?

His teaching was that FLESH cannot enter the Kingdom of God. He taught Nicodemus that in order to enter that Kingdom, one had to be born AGAIN (meaning born of something OTHER THAN flesh).

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The lamb that was slain is now glorious.

[NickHassan]

hi KW,
It seems that you hunger and thirst for justification of your dogma.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2012,03:39) Hi KW, The planted old body is raised for us to be alike to the man from heaven. If we have a new glorious body why would his be tattered and torn? Your striving seems more to be to prove your own doctrine Nick; Revelation 5:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. Revelation 5:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Revelation 13:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Kerwin.

What about the 24 elders; are they flesh and bone also?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

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Hi KW, The lamb that was slain is now glorious.

Nick;

He still looks like “a Lamb as it had been slain.”

What you believe is not based on Scripture but on a willful lack of knowledge. You need to test you beliefs and action to make sure they conform to the truth. Jesus was planted as a flesh and blood mortal and raised as a flesh and bone immortal. Do you have trouble believing he pioneered the resurrection that is to come as well as so much more.

[kerwin]

Wakeup;

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Kerwin. What about the 24 elders; are they flesh and bone also? wakeup.

The only humans that do not have their flesh and blood body changed to a flesh and bone body in the tomb are those that are changed while still living. The elders appear to be human.

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