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First I apologize for posting off topic and distracting everyone, but more importantly I thank everyone for their concern, sometimes there is little that can be said but only an exhibition of God's love can touch the one in need.
Romans 12:15 Rejoice with those who rejoice [sharing others’ joy], and weep with those who weep [sharing others’ grief]. 16 Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty (snobbish, high-minded, exclusive), but readily adjust yourself to [people, things] and give yourselves to humble tasks. Never overestimate yourself or be wise in your own conceits.Thank you – Wm
Phil 4:12 I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need.
1PE 3:8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit;
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 08 2014,20:49) First I apologize for posting off topic and distracting everyone…….
Don't apologize, Wm. Keith asked you how you were, and you answered him honestly.I've always liked this line from a Jackson Browne song: “Maybe people only ask you how you're doing because it's easier than letting on how little they could care.”
What an unfortunate but astute observation he made.
Anyway, I was also hoping to hear back from Keith about the last posts we made here in the thread he started.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) Hi Keith,I actually agree with most of what you wrote in that last post to me.
Hi MikeAmen! So we finally agree on something!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) I disagree with your conclusion that those things mean we have a Triune God, and Jesus is one of the persons in that God.
That’s too bad because the conclusion would be that you believe in more than one god. But, when you see that God is in a metaphysical class of his own and that Jesus is the only of his kind Son of God, (Only Begotten) then you will see that God is Plural yet one of a kind as man is plural and yet one of a kind and any other species as far as that goes. God is in a metaphysical class of his own, according to scripture Jesus and the Holy Spirit share the same essence of what makes God, God.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) Jesus is indeed the IMMEDIATE source for much of what we have, and will have. But he is not the ULTIMATE source of those things.
Pure inference! First of all the scriptures I posted in my opening do not use the words “ultimate” or “Immediate”. Those are simply words you use to infer your own theology. If Jesus has ALL” authority and ”ALL” things are in his hands then that would mean he has “Ultimate” authority and power.Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
Notice Mike that it doesn’t say he is the “immediate author” of our faith but not only is he the “Author” (source) of our Faith but he is the one who will finish it. If you meditate on this scripture alone you will see some powerful insight into Jesus and who he is to us.
First, Paul says we are to look to Jesus. Why would he say that in the first place not only here but also in many others he points us to Jesus? Why would he not say “look to the Father through Jesus”? Then you have to ask what and how do I do that? There is only one way to look to Jesus and that is have fellowship with him and to fellowship with him would mean we must talk (pray) to him. Let that sink into your ears. Our fellowship is with the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit according to the scriptures. In fact we can't even go to the Father unless it is through Jesus! In the Hebrew faith that would be considered “Idolatry” to put something between God and man , unless he was also God and man. Therefore they must be “One” or to pray to someone other than God would be Idolatry and especially to bow down to them and love them the way we do Jesus.
Secondly, this verse says Jesus “sat down at the right hand of God the Father”, not beneath him or above him, but at the right hand of the throne of God which is descriptive of Jesus sitting next to the Father in the Fathers throne ruling and reining until he (Jesus) has put down all rule and all authority and power and delivered back to the Father all things that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:24-28)
Think of it Mike. All Means All. How much is ALL? God is infinite in Authority and Power. That thought should blow your mind.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) For example, Jesus is indeed the immediate source of our salvation. But our God and his God – the one who sent Jesus to be that immediate source – remains the ULTIMATE source of our salvation.
Hi MIkeFor our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for ”the Saviour”, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby ” he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Phil 3:20, 21
Do you see the words “immediate Saviour” here? In fact Paul is calling Jesus “The Saviour” with the definite article and not just “a saviour”. But more than that he follows up saying that Jesus (not the Father) is able to subdue all things to HIMSELF ! Think of the implications of that Mike? Paul is not saying in this passage he will subdue all things to the Father but all things to himself. Once again this is proof that Jesus is more than just “a saviour” by proxy for all other saviours were used to bring men to God and not to themselves, which would once again be idolatry and even blasphemy.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) Jehovah sacrificed an unblemished lamb on our behalf. Jesus wasn't the one who sacrificed the lamb to atone for our sins. He was the lamb that God sacrificed for us.
That is only a half truth Mike. What do these scriptures say…”Who gave himself” for our sins, “that he might deliver us” from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Gal 1:4
Here we see Jesus doing the will of God and “Giving himself” for our sins. Notice it says that he (Jesus) would deliver us from this present world.Who” gave himself” a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1 Tim 2:6
He gave himself!Who “gave himself” for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Titus 2:14
He gave himself! But once again, that he might “redeem us” and “purify unto himself” a people!Why would Paul use such language? He was a Hebrew of the Hebrew and yet considered Jesus as his source for all. He doesn't mince words as you would try by tacking the words “immediate and ultimate” to his words which came to him directly from the Lord Jesus Christ.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) John 6:57 NIV
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.6:57 is a great scripture to show “immediate” versus “ultimate”.
Hi Mike
Once again you are only telling half the story. This scripture is speaking in terms of Jesus coming in the flesh and doing the Fathers will. Remember these words…And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall “not live” by bread alone, but “by every word of God” Luke 4:4
Then Jesus says…
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. John 4:24Now look at the verse following your verse…
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: “he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever”. John 6:58You see Mike, Jesus is “The Eternal Life” ( 1 John 1:1-3) that was with the Father in the beginning of all things, (John 1:1-3) That is why they would live forever if they ate of his flesh and drank of his blood which represents his life. Jesus is not part of the all things that was with the Father in the beginning or that would not be a true statement, for then it would be the beginning of Jesus and then the beginning of all things. Not so Mike.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) The one who was sent to us and did wonderful things is great. The one who SENT that one to us in the first place is even greater.
In what way is the Father greater than Jesus! If all things are in Jesus hands (John 10) then at this time he is equal to the Father. If Jesus is of the same kind as the Father then that would mean as God in nature he is equal to the Father. For example: the President of the United States is greater than you and I but are we less human? It’s really not that hard. But it has to be in your heart that you see Jesus for who he really is. I pray his light will shine on you for I believe you are seeking but you are bound to a theology that merely sees Jesus as a child of God like the rest of us except he is greater.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) See? Jesus is the immediate source of our everlasting life……. but only because that role, power and authority was GIVEN to him by HIS source of everlasting life. The one who GAVE that authority to Jesus is his and our God, Jehovah – and He is therefore the ULTIMATE source of, not only our everlasting life, but also of Jesus' everlasting life.
Mike the word “immediate” is not found in the scriptures regarding Jesus being the source. Jesus said…
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and “the life” : no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6He says he is “The Life”, once again with the definite article. Jesus is “The Eternal Life” that was with the Father which means he is the source of our life.
Mike I noticed you did not meet my challenge and show me one of the over 150 scriptures I posted that do not show Jesus as our source of all things. Come on man. If you love the word of God then with an open heart you will study those scriptures and see if these things be so or not like the Bereans.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,08:23) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
Yes Keith. No man has ever seen God Almighty. But the only begotten god was sent by his and our Almighty God – to make that Almighty God known to us.Jesus explained to us what true faith in God is. There will be no other to explain it any better to us, because Jesus is still available to those who seek. In this way, he began our search and understanding of true faith (the author), and is still there as the mediator between us and God, if we should ever start to doubt that faith (finisher).
None of this tells us that Jesus is the Most High God that he is the Son of, or that he is the God who sent him to us.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,08:23) First, Paul says we are to look to Jesus. Why would he say that in the first place not only here but also in many others he points us to Jesus? Why would he not say “look to the Father through Jesus”?
And what if Paul, in that particular instance, HAD said, “look to the Father through Jesus”? Would it change your understanding at all?Because there are about 100 times in scripture where Paul plainly distinguishes Jesus as someone other than, and lesser than, the one he calls “God”. So when Paul says, “I thank God for you through Jesus Christ” – or something similar, do you take that to heart and understand that “Jesus” and “God” are two different beings that Paul is talking about? If not, then why do you suppose “look to the Father through Jesus” would make an ounce of difference to you?
I mean, do you really even know what you're asking me to believe here? You are telling me that because Paul said, “Look to Jesus”, I should just somehow understand that Jesus is the very Almighty God that he is the Son of.
If Paul said, “Look to Moses”, should I believe that Moses, the servant OF God, actually IS God? If not, then why would I believe such a thing in the case of Jesus, the servant OF God?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,08:23) In the Hebrew faith that would be considered “Idolatry” to put something between God and man , unless he was also God and man.
What?
If something comes between God and Satan, then that thing has to be both God AND Satan? If something comes between God and an angel, that thing has to be both God AND an angel? That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard, Keith.Anything that comes between God and anything else cannot actually BE the God he is coming between. I can't go to court and be the mediator BETWEEN me and my adversary, Keith. A mediator is someone OTHER THAN the parties being mediated between.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,08:23) Secondly, this verse says Jesus “sat down at the right hand of God the Father”……..
There are verses that say he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High, and verses that say he sat down at the right hand of “God”. I don't know of any verses that mention “the Father” specifically.And if a person sits at the right hand OF God, then that person can't actually BE God. Consider:
1 Kings 2:19
[Solomon] had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.Was Bathsheba also the King of Israel? Was she the being of Solomon himself? Or was she a DIFFERENT being who sat NEXT TO Solomon?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,08:23) ……..until he (Jesus) has put down all rule and all authority and power…….
God is the one who places Jesus' enemies as a footstool for his feet. (Psalm 110:1) This should be clear to you from the following statement:1 Corinthians 15:27
For he “has put everything under his feet”. Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.Who is it that put everything under Christ?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,08:23) Think of it Mike. All Means All. How much is ALL?
How about “everything”? Does “everything” always literally mean “EVERYTHING”? What does that verse I just quoted above tell you?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,09:10) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for ”the Saviour”, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby ” he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Phil 3:20, 21
So because Jesus was sent by God to be our savior, and has been GIVEN great authority from his and our God, Jehovah, I should start believing that the servant IS the Master?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,09:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2014,17:50) Jehovah sacrificed an unblemished lamb on our behalf. Jesus wasn't the one who sacrificed the lamb to atone for our sins. He was the lamb that God sacrificed for us.
That is only a half truth Mike. What do these scriptures say…”Who gave himself” for our sins, “that he might deliver us” from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Keith,Was Jesus the Lamb that God sacrificed on our behalf? Or was Jesus the God who sacrificed a lamb on our behalf?
Which one?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,09:10) Why would Paul use such language? He was a Hebrew of the Hebrew and yet considered Jesus as his source for all. He doesn't mince words as you would try by tacking the words “immediate and ultimate” to his words which came to him directly from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you NEED Paul to tell you the obvious every time, Keith………. like he did in 1 Cor 15:27?Or are you capable of figuring a couple things out on your own? Let's test you:
Nehemiah 9:27
But when they were oppressed they cried out to you. From heaven you heard them, and in your great compassion you gave them saviors, who rescued them from the hand of their enemies.Can you tell us who the “immediate saviors” were in the above verse? And who the “Ultimate Savior” was?
The words “immediate” and “ultimate” aren't used in this verse, but I think you can probably figure out that the one who SENT/GAVE saviors to His children would be the “Ultimate Savior” in this case, right?
And I'm sure you realize that “the saviors” who were GIVEN aren't the very one who GAVE them – nor are they even EQUAL TO that one, right?
Now all you have to do is apply that lesson to the savior Jesus Christ, and his God Jehovah, who GAVE/SENT Jesus to and for us.
The lamb that is sacrificed is not as great as the one who sacrificed that lamb, Keith. Surely you don't need words like “immediate” and “ultimate” to be written in the text for you to know this, do you?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2014,10:14) Mike I noticed you did not meet my challenge and show me one of the over 150 scriptures I posted that do not show Jesus as our source of all things. Come on man. If you love the word of God then with an open heart you will study those scriptures and see if these things be so or not like the Bereans.
Keith,In the second post of this thread, I showed you that your very first scripture doesn't say what you claim it does.
You have yet to refute my first rebuttal, so why should I go on to the next scripture?
If you want, we can discuss each scripture, ONE AT A TIME, and see if any of them teach us that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
Let me know.
Hi,
Acts 10
38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.This should end foolish arguments that make him a god.
Hi Keith:
Jesus is not the source of everything. He said it was the Father doing the works through him. But yes, he is the author and finisher of our faith.
The scriptures state that there is “One God”, and that settles it as far as I am concerned. The scriptures do not state that God is “a Triune God” or ” that God exists in three co-equal, co-eternal persons”, do they? If so, please show me the scriptures.
This is what the scriptures state:
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1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time
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Eph 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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Jhn 12:45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
Jhn 12:46
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Jhn 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jhn 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
However, we can say that Jesus is God in that when we have seen him, through the works of obedience to the Father, he said we have seen God, that is God's character was made manifest to humanity through the life of Jesus. But we also as born again Christians should be displaying God's character through the life that we life as we learn to apply His Word in our daily lives.
Here is scripture:
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Jhn 14:7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jhn 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jhn 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Jhn 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jhn 14:11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Jhn 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Quote Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hbr 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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Jhn 17:14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Jhn 17:16
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jhn 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Jhn 17:19
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Jhn 17:20
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Jhn 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Jhn 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
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Hbr 5:5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Hbr 5:6
As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:7
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hbr 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2014,20:54) Hi, Acts 10
38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.This should end foolish arguments that make him a god.
It should indeed end foolish arguments that make Jesus the MOST HIGH God.You'll never be able to end the argument that Jesus is A god – since scripture explicitly calls him one. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8, etc.)
Jesus is the Word of God, now and forever.
The Word is as powerful as God wanted Him to be.
What ever God wants done; it's done by His Word.
God is all powerful and so is his Word.
This means that the Wor is equal in power to God.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 12 2014,23:00) God is all powerful and so is his Word.
This means that the Word is equal in power to God.
Surely you are confused, since the Word of God could do nothing on his own. It was God who performed the signs and wonders through him. Even now, in his highly exalted state, the Word sits at the right hand of his God, waiting for His God to place all of his enemies at his feet, so he can destroy them.The Word even told us plainly that the Father is greater than him, and greater than all.
That doesn't sound like “equal power” to me.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2014,10:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 12 2014,23:00) God is all powerful and so is his Word.
This means that the Word is equal in power to God.
Surely you are confused, since the Word of God could do nothing on his own. It was God who performed the signs and wonders through him. Even now, in his highly exalted state, the Word sits at the right hand of his God, waiting for His God to place all of his enemies at his feet, so he can destroy them.The Word even told us plainly that the Father is greater than him, and greater than all.
That doesn't sound like “equal power” to me.
Mike B.Why is it that you can not understand?
When God speaks his Word it is as powerful as God Himself.
God's Word has not less power than God.
When God speaks through His Word;He is as powerful as God.
But His Word can not speak, if God did not speak.Your word has as much power as your status.
The president's word has equal power to himself.A poor mans word has no power in this world.
A rich man's word has more power in this world.
A multi billionaire's word has more power than the rich man's word;in this world.The power in God's Word is equal to God's power.
Can you understand;or is it just gibberish to you?
God's status is great;and so is His Word.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2014,22:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2014,10:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 12 2014,23:00) God is all powerful and so is his Word.
This means that the Word is equal in power to God.
Surely you are confused, since the Word of God could do nothing on his own. It was God who performed the signs and wonders through him. Even now, in his highly exalted state, the Word sits at the right hand of his God, waiting for His God to place all of his enemies at his feet, so he can destroy them.The Word even told us plainly that the Father is greater than him, and greater than all.
That doesn't sound like “equal power” to me.
Mike B.Why is it that you can not understand?
I can't understand 99% of the crap you preach, Wakeup. Nor can I understand WHY you would ever come to such asinine conclusions.Read:
John 10:29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.John 14:28
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.The Word of God said those words, Wakeup. Yet you say the two of them are “equal”.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2014,16:00) Jesus is the Word of God, now and forever.
The Word is as powerful as God wanted Him to be.
What ever God wants done; it's done by His Word.
God is all powerful and so is his Word.
This means that the Wor is equal in power to God.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Jesus is not the Word of God, if the scriptures states that God has spoken through him? Is He?
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Heb 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
He obeyed the Word of God without sin unto death on the cross, and has been exalted to the right hand of God the Father, and is the judge of the living and the dead, and he will judge by the Word of God.
This is what he said:
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Jhn 12:47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Tools specific to Jhn 12:48
Jhn 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Tools specific to Jhn 12:49
Jhn 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
And He is only through him that anyone can be saved, and he watches over God's Word to perform it. This is what the Apostle Paul states:
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1Co 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Love in Christ,
MartyAnd Wakeup:
You are going to tell me that “he is called the Word of God in Revelation 19, but the scripture states that “name is called the Word of God”, and that relates to his authority to watch over and perform the Word of God:
This is what the scripture states:
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Rev 19:12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And this is the meaning of the word “name” in that scripture:
Quote II.the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc. And this is what Jesus stated when he rose again from the dead prior to ascending to his exalted position at the right hand of God:
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Mat 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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