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Terraricca wrote:
Quote you have made your choice ,so be it fallow your logic ,and see.
May I follow God as he guides me with logic or in any other way?
Terraricca wrote:
Quote I will keep following God’s understanding with his spirit and Christ ,and apostles written word.
That is what you claim but that is not what you do for Jesus teaches us to seek God’s righteousness and his kingdom and you would rather follow the doctrine of men.
I state this because you have never presented scripture which condemns logic and thus by speaking against it you falsely label what is not evil a sin.
It is my hope that you come to understand this passage from Romans and apply it to your life and doctrine as I choose to.
Romans 14:16-18(NIV) reads:
Quote Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2010,16:26) Terraricca wrote: Quote you have made your choice ,so be it fallow your logic ,and see.
May I follow God as he guides me with logic or in any other way?
Terraricca wrote:
Quote I will keep following God’s understanding with his spirit and Christ ,and apostles written word.
That is what you claim but that is not what you do for Jesus teaches us to seek God’s righteousness and his kingdom and you would rather follow the doctrine of men.
I state this because you have never presented scripture which condemns logic and thus by speaking against it you falsely label what is not evil a sin.
It is my hope that you come to understand this passage from Romans and apply it to your life and doctrine as I choose to.
Romans 14:16-18(NIV) reads:
Quote Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
KWyou are very self confident in you ways ,you apply your logic to your understanding of scriptures ,
but this is not for me to convice you of your errors ,you would not believe anyway ,you have made up your mind to believe what you believe is true trough your logical understanding.
thats OK but do not try to use it to belittle me with that logic of yours,
your verse in Rom14;16-18 do more apply to you than me.
your logic does not stand in the spirit of Christ.
you have replaced the understanding of God spirit by your logic,this conversation is now finish.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote your verse in Rom14;16-18 do more apply to you than me.
I chose to use it to warn you not to call what is not evil sin. Jesus told us to watch our way and you as well as myself do well to head his teaching and hold to his philosophy.
Isaiah 5:20 is another example of this teaching.
As I pointed out God does not say that logic is evil but rather has examples of his people using it in scripture. It is living according to the ways of the impure spirit of many God is opposed to. Whether you either use logic or don't is not important as long as you live by the spirit of righteousness. For in walking according to his spirit you please God.
'The one who lives in agreement and friendship of brotherly love by nature and not by decree, wholly and not in part, this one is truly the will of the Father. This is the universal and perfect love.'
Uncanonized scripture.
Nick,
Bring it to laymen for you:
Impure equals to unclean, hence Kerwin's post could also read 'unclean spirit of many', now belief in clean and unclean is to one's own.
Nick, for you to comment in such a manner, do you consider unclean to be demons/satan.
Text record many passages in regards to unclean spirits.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2010,07:41) Hi KW,
What is this “impure spirit of many”
Another name for your novel corrupted spirit concept?
You should know as you claim to read and understand scripture. Remember the “them” in Numbers 14:20-25 that had a more impure, or as Princess of the King pointed out unclean, spirit than Caleb. To the shame of the people, there are still many like “them”.Hi KW,
Scrabbling around for some OT support for your ideas?
The vessel of man can be emptied of it's unclean inhabitants but then become recolonised if the treasure of God's Spirit does not take residence.[mt12.43f]That same living vessel can become useful in the kingdom. [2tim2.20f]
Nick………..the Old testament does not deny the New testament , the Beraens searched the OLD TESTAMENT to see if what they were being told was true or not.
Interesting how you keep thinking Spirit is some kind of Beings, instead of ONE'S thoughts which make up his intellects. Can you tell us what these BEINGS of your look like? Are they really Minions or leper-cons or some invisible beings, Going around jumping in and out of People? Or is it simply the thinking of a Person that can change and go back and forth.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 02 2010,02:26) Nick………..the Old testament does not deny the New testament , the Beraens searched the OLD TESTAMENT to see if what they were being told was true or not. Interesting how you keep thinking Spirit is some kind of Beings, instead of ONE'S thoughts which make up his intellects. Can you tell us what these BEINGS of your look like? Are they really Minions or leper-cons or some invisible beings, Going around jumping in and out of People? Or is it simply the thinking of a Person that can change and go back and forth.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
genejust read this ;Heb 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Terraricca………..Angles are Beings that Have SPIRITS (IN) Them, Human Beings are also Beings that Have Spirit (IN) them. Spirit is not a Being it is what is (IN) a Being.
Heb 1:7…> And of the angles he saith, Who MAKES his ANGLE'S SPIRITS, and his ministers a flame of fire.
This is saying that GOD makes the SPIRITS of HIS Angles He Puts them in them and sends the out to minister
Heb 1:14..> Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 02 2010,14:20) Terraricca………..Angles are Beings that Have SPIRITS (IN) Them, Human Beings are also Beings that Have Spirit (IN) them. Spirit is not a Being it is what is (IN) a Being. Heb 1:7…> And of the angles he saith, Who MAKES his ANGLE'S SPIRITS, and his ministers a flame of fire.
This is saying that GOD makes the SPIRITS of HIS Angles He Puts them in them and sends the out to minister
Heb 1:14..> Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation.
genei think you complicate the understanding of scriptures
verse heb 1-7 and verse 14 combine give a clear meaning ,
without your addition explanation.
it does not say that God made a spirit in there being
?you say;This is saying that GOD makes the SPIRITS of HIS Angles He Puts them in them and sends the out to minister
??Terraricca………I suppose you believe that GOD did not put Spirit into a Man either and sent Him out in Life. Had you read what i quoted slowly and thought about it you can easily see it is GOD who Made the SPIRITS of the Angles and Put it in them, and sent them out to minister to them who are heirs of salvation. SPIRIT IS NOT A BEING IT IS WHAT IS (IN) A Being> if you have proof of anything different then post it. “TRY THE SPIRITS AND SEE IF THEY ARE OF GOD” are these some invisible minions or leper-cons that we can't see we are to TRY. or is it Spirit (intellect) coming out of a man mouth that express his being?, that we are told to JUDGE or TRY?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 06 2010,16:43) Terraricca………I suppose you believe that GOD did not put Spirit into a Man either and sent Him out in Life. Had you read what i quoted slowly and thought about it you can easily see it is GOD who Made the SPIRITS of the Angles and Put it in them, and sent them out to minister to them who are heirs of salvation. SPIRIT IS NOT A BEING IT IS WHAT IS (IN) A Being> if you have proof of anything different then post it. “TRY THE SPIRITS AND SEE IF THEY ARE OF GOD” are these some invisible minions or leper-cons that we can't see we are to TRY. or is it Spirit (intellect) coming out of a man mouth that express his being?, that we are told to JUDGE or TRY?
geneit is already difficult to explain to the ones who sees the things of God ,but to the blinds who can see this is impossible
it seems you looking trough something who does not exist,to be able to see Gods work,you need a combination of ,humble mind+the will to accept God way+knowledge of God and his way+the love for truth of God+love and thirst for righteousness+the love for God= understanding to see with you spirit what god purpose is all about.
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