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Terraricca wrote:
Quote did i miss something??
How would I know as you spoke in coded words. I have no idea if you understood those coded words or not.
Here is some question about some coded words from John 3:17:21..
What does “darkness” mean?
What does “light” mean?
What does “world” mean”
Why did John choose to use coded words instead of speaking explicitly? Do you know the answer or answers? It might be that the words were used as slang at that time or had meanings that differed from our comparative English world. It may also be that the words were deliberately to hide the truth from the unspiritual. There is also perhaps other reasons I am not thinking of.
I do know this though and that is that after you come answers to the questions posed by this scripture you can then use logic to test what you understand against what God states elsewhere in scripture to see if they agree. In this way you test the spirit of what you understand as God commands you to do and as Bereans were commended for doing for it is not only the doctrine of others you must test but also your own.
Here are three scriptures that support my understanding, Can you find any that oppose it?
Matthew 5:6(NASB) reads:
Quote “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
And
Matthew 1:21(NASB) reads:
Quote “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
And
Ephesians 4:24(NASB) reads:
Quote But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2010,02:46) Hi KW,
The scriptures are the wisdom of God[Lk11.49]
Greek logic does not compare.
Abide in the Word
You are being deceived by the twisting of scriptures at what you state scriptures state conflicts with the explicit wording of scripture. The Wisdom of God is not limited to the pages of scripture but rather she “calls aloud in the street, she raises her voice in the public squares;”.God's language is truth and righteousness and where it is spoken God to speak whether it takes the form of Greek logic or any other form God chooses.
Hi KW,
What seems like CODED WORDS to you are spiritual truth.
God is not aligning with our thoughts but offering deeper ones.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,08:01) Terraricca wrote: Quote did i miss something??
How would I know as you spoke in coded words. I have no idea if you understood those coded words or not.
Here is some question about some coded words from John 3:17:21..
What does “darkness” mean?
What does “light” mean?
What does “world” mean”
Why did John choose to use coded words instead of speaking explicitly? Do you know the answer or answers? It might be that the words were used as slang at that time or had meanings that differed from our comparative English world. It may also be that the words were deliberately to hide the truth from the unspiritual. There is also perhaps other reasons I am not thinking of.
I do know this though and that is that after you come answers to the questions posed by this scripture you can then use logic to test what you understand against what God states elsewhere in scripture to see if they agree. In this way you test the spirit of what you understand as God commands you to do and as Bereans were commended for doing for it is not only the doctrine of others you must test but also your own.
Here are three scriptures that support my understanding, Can you find any that oppose it?
Matthew 5:6(NASB) reads:
Quote “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
And
Matthew 1:21(NASB) reads:
Quote “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
And
Ephesians 4:24(NASB) reads:
Quote But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
KWi don't have to use logic for those words,the scriptures answer
those with knowledge,i am surprise you don't know it .
or you test me ??
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,08:01) Terraricca wrote: Quote did i miss something??
How would I know as you spoke in coded words. I have no idea if you understood those coded words or not.
Here is some question about some coded words from John 3:17:21..
What does “darkness” mean?
What does “light” mean?
What does “world” mean”
Why did John choose to use coded words instead of speaking explicitly? Do you know the answer or answers? It might be that the words were used as slang at that time or had meanings that differed from our comparative English world. It may also be that the words were deliberately to hide the truth from the unspiritual. There is also perhaps other reasons I am not thinking of.
I do know this though and that is that after you come answers to the questions posed by this scripture you can then use logic to test what you understand against what God states elsewhere in scripture to see if they agree. In this way you test the spirit of what you understand as God commands you to do and as Bereans were commended for doing for it is not only the doctrine of others you must test but also your own.
Here are three scriptures that support my understanding, Can you find any that oppose it?
Matthew 5:6(NASB) reads:
Quote “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
And
Matthew 1:21(NASB) reads:
Quote “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
And
Ephesians 4:24(NASB) reads:
Quote But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
KWBlessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied
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this does not support logic it says that righteoueness will be availlable in suficient quantity.—————————————-
“She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
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this verse does not support logic ,it make and states a event.——————————————————
Ephesians 4:24(NASB) reads:
Quote But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
how is this support logic?? Paul teaches and inform his lestners to what is rwitten in the scriptures,this is a transfer of knowledge.the truth of God never change.
Hi KW,
Yes we are born with lusts, our inheritance from father Adam's sin.
But now we have the living Spirit of God within the light should drive out the darkness.Hio KW,
So the carnal mind is of the lusts of deceit[Eph4], while the mind of Christ can come by Spirit filled believers feeding on the word.[1 peter 1]To all…………Anyone who thinks that the Spirit of GOD is Illogical and Senseless in nothing more that a pure fool. God is logical in all he does and does nothing illogical nor is his ways illogical. It is the wisdom of the world that is illogical and stupid not the wisdom of GOD nor His logic that He gives us. IMO
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2010,03:11) Hi KW,
Again you accuse of deception those who rely on the Word while you offer greek wisdom?
You mean those who use scripture to decieve themselves and others. I have challenged you repeatedly to show where logic that is based on godly principles is opposed to God and you have not produced any evidence to show it is and yet still insist it opposed to the gospel. You cannot even claim that is an implied teaching though it is a teaching of men.Terrarica wrote:
Quote or you test me ??
I did ask you questions and I believe that is considered testing? It is also the only way I know to get you to clarify your beliefs which are left murky from what your wrote earlier.
You do reason though perhaps that reasoning should not be called logic if it is not sound and/or not valid.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,16:30) Terrarica wrote: Quote or you test me ??
I did ask you questions and I believe that is considered testing? It is also the only way I know to get you to clarify your beliefs which are left murky from what your wrote earlier.
You do reason though perhaps that reasoning should not be called logic if it is not sound and/or not valid.
KWno i do not think to put together something who would make sense so it can be accepted by you.
those words are in the bible ;
Jn 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of lifeJn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men
Mt 5:14 “You are the light of the worldit is clear
Terraricca,
In logic you have premises. I use for these premises verses that I know are true.
Premise: God desires his people to be completely righteous as he is righteous.
Premise: Jesus came to “save His people from their sins.””
Premise: “Old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit”
Premise:”new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. “
Premise:God promises to satisfy “those who hunger and thirst for righteousness”
Now lets use logic. If a person does not want to come into the light then it follows they do not want to change from their old self to the new self as that is the change following Jesus entails. That change is how Jesus saves us from our sins as sin is left with the old man and the new man does not sin. It is also how those that hunger and thirst for righteousness are satisfied as they change from the old man who is not righteous to the new man who is.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote it is clear
I find it so but I see no evidence that you understand it. That is why I asked you what you thought it means. I see no shame in your lack of understanding as even the Samaritan woman by the well failed to understand Jesus at first. She showed her righteousness by her willingness to change.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,16:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2010,03:11) Hi KW,
Again you accuse of deception those who rely on the Word while you offer greek wisdom?
You mean those who use scripture to decieve themselves and others. I have challenged you repeatedly to show where logic that is based on godly principles is opposed to God and you have not produced any evidence to show it is and yet still insist it opposed to the gospel. You cannot even claim that is an implied teaching though it is a teaching of men.
Hi KW,
It is not opposed to God but is relatively useless.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,16:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2010,03:11) Hi KW,
Again you accuse of deception those who rely on the Word while you offer greek wisdom?
You mean those who use scripture to decieve themselves and others. I have challenged you repeatedly to show where logic that is based on godly principles is opposed to God and you have not produced any evidence to show it is and yet still insist it opposed to the gospel. You cannot even claim that is an implied teaching though it is a teaching of men.
KWif you got me in your mind .
show me were i mislaid anyone…..logic ;i told you it is either shared or personal.
and it does not mean that the out come is true from Gods point of view.and for those reasons i say that logic is only your own truth.not Gods
to test if it comes from God, it as to be God ruler you use as measuring tape not yours(logic)men's rule.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,16:49) Terraricca wrote: Quote it is clear
I find it so but I see no evidence that you understand it. That is why I asked you what you thought it means. I see no shame in your lack of understanding as even the Samaritan woman by the well failed to understand Jesus at first. She showed her righteousness by her willingness to change.
KWyou must have a great ego to say what you say to me
are you my master or is God my master.do i have to give account of my knowledge to you and report to you so y may be justified???
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2010,16:45) Terraricca, In logic you have premises. I use for these premises verses that I know are true.
Premise: God desires his people to be completely righteous as he is righteous.
Premise: Jesus came to “save His people from their sins.””
Premise: “Old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit”
Premise:”new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. “
Premise:God promises to satisfy “those who hunger and thirst for righteousness”
Now lets use logic. If a person does not want to come into the light then it follows they do not want to change from their old self to the new self as that is the change following Jesus entails. That change is how Jesus saves us from our sins as sin is left with the old man and the new man does not sin. It is also how those that hunger and thirst for righteousness are satisfied as they change from the old man who is not righteous to the new man who is.
KWyour logic is not shown ,all what you mention are truth in the scriptures,
logic is used by GENE and by Edj trying to explain what is not in scripture or quoting bits and pieces of verses or using strange words to explain clear statements in the scriptures
that is were you have to think and think again and again
that is logic in use
Premises that you use those are truths well established,known factors,no thinking required
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