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Hi KW,
You have got to stop judging spiritual things on the human plane.
Only scripture can discern the subtlties of scripture and trying to filter truth using human measures will always frustrate you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2010,15:25) Hi KW,
You have got to stop judging spiritual things on the human plane.
Only scripture can discern the subtlties of scripture and trying to filter truth using human measures will always frustrate you.
Only God can discern the subtities of his word and scripture is not God which is why Jesus rebuked certain individuals with the words.John 5:39-40(NIV) reads:
Quote You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
Once again you fail to show that you know what the spiritual is and what is not spiritual just like those Jesus addresses in John 5:30-40. I am rather tired of pointing at scripture that tells you but here is one just in case you learn to understand.
Colossians 2:8(NIV) reads:
Quote See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
It is best if you put the Anointed One First and not your natural instincts in your struggle against sin.
Kerwin………I have told Nick that also He simply does not know what SPIRIT IS. He does not Believe What Jesus said it WAS. IMO
peace and love…………..gene
Nick…………..God's Spirit is (NOT) just limited to Scriptures it is (INTELLECTS) From GOD, given us. Can;t you see that?
peace and love……………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 27 2010,03:14) Nick…………..God's Spirit is (NOT) just limited to Scriptures it is (INTELLECTS) From GOD, given us. Can;t you see that? peace and love……………gene
genein your case it seams to be only in scriptures and you do not use wisely ,
so i believe you are definatly not blessed with the spirit.
your views are against the scriptures.your 15 minuts fame should end with the second return of Christ .
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 26 2010,22:14) Nick…………..God's Spirit is (NOT) just limited to Scriptures it is (INTELLECTS) From GOD, given us. Can;t you see that? peace and love……………gene
What you state sounds awkward in the English language. I believe you mean “knowledge”.Saying “intellect” sounds like the spirit is intelligence which is a function of the brain and not the spirit.
The func6tion of the spirit is closer related to fruit, either righteous or sinful depending on the spirit.
This equates to knowledge of the fruit which is why Jesus teaches us:
John 16:13(NIV) reads:
Quote But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Even not all knowledge comes from God as the evil one two puts knowledge into the world and Nick speaks as if he cannot tell the knowledge of this world from the knowledge of God.
For example the knowledge that 1 + 1 equals 2 is not knowledge of this world because it does not come from the sinful nature. On the other hand the belief that it is knowledge of this world is based “on human traditions and the basic principals of this world”.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2010,22:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2010,15:25) Hi KW,
You have got to stop judging spiritual things on the human plane.
Only scripture can discern the subtlties of scripture and trying to filter truth using human measures will always frustrate you.
Only God can discern the subtities of his word and scripture is not God which is why Jesus rebuked certain individuals with the words.John 5:39-40(NIV) reads:
Quote You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
Once again you fail to show that you know what the spiritual is and what is not spiritual just like those Jesus addresses in John 5:30-40. I am rather tired of pointing at scripture that tells you but here is one just in case you learn to understand.
Colossians 2:8(NIV) reads:
Quote See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
It is best if you put the Anointed One First and not your natural instincts in your struggle against sin.
Hi KW,
Scripture is a glimpse into the ways of Godly wisdom.
Yet you offer us in preference your own concepts.
Go back to scripture and let it teach you.Hi KW,
Scriptural analysis using human tools will lead to fascinating results but few answers.
Eventually man must stop analysing, submit to God's scriptural wisdom and desperately seek the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2010,01:57) Hi KW,
Scriptural analysis using human tools will lead to fascinating results but few answers.
Eventually man must stop analyzing, submit to God's scriptural wisdom and desperately seek the Spirit.
I was speaking to Gene about how you fail to understand scripture and you provide me with an example to give him. What you call “human tools” are not what God calls the tools of this world. What God calls the tools of this world would be those relying on the sinful nature. If you knew God then you would know that but mind is not on things above. Instead you are looking at the situation from the perceptive of this world and applying its principles and traditions to what you read and hear.The command found in scripture is walk according to the spirit of righteousness and not according to the flesh. Apply that command to your every word and action even when using a tool that God has given you.
What I say is testified to by God's very nature as well as by scripture. I hope you would stop being afraid and would instead trust God and his righteousness. He loves you and is trustworthy.
Hi KW,
It is interesting that you seem to perceive about others what greatly affects you.
There is a scripture about that.The weak worldly tools you have shown so far and your willingness to test scripture against your own concepts will always leave you grasping at straws.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2010,09:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2010,01:57) Hi KW,
Scriptural analysis using human tools will lead to fascinating results but few answers.
Eventually man must stop analyzing, submit to God's scriptural wisdom and desperately seek the Spirit.
I was speaking to Gene about how you fail to understand scripture and you provide me with an example to give him. What you call “human tools” are not what God calls the tools of this world. What God calls the tools of this world would be those relying on the sinful nature. If you knew God then you would know that but mind is not on things above. Instead you are looking at the situation from the perceptive of this world and applying its principles and traditions to what you read and hear.The command found in scripture is walk according to the spirit of righteousness and not according to the flesh. Apply that command to your every word and action even when using a tool that God has given you.
What I say is testified to by God's very nature as well as by scripture. I hope you would stop being afraid and would instead trust God and his righteousness. He loves you and is trustworthy.
KWi think you do not understand nick,or what he says,
the tools he talk about are the mind,whit worldly views,eyes of the body ,understanding with the knowledge of men,
those tools are not the tools of the Spirit of God,
but scriptures are tools of the Spirit of God,but you have to understand how to use them ,without interference.
Jn 16
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.this is talking to John about how the spirit of truth works,
revelation is the out come of that spirit of truth.
John as made no interference to that spirit,
i think this is what Nick try to tell you ,at the least that what i understood.
Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote The weak worldly tools you have shown so far and your willingness to test scripture against your own concepts will always leave you grasping at straws
You have not shown that you even know what testing the spirit of what you hear, read, believe by the spirit of righteousness means. This is why I wrote:
Previously, Kerwin wrote:
Quote What God calls the tools of this world would be those relying on the sinful nature. If you knew God then you would know that but mind is not on things above.
I do test my understanding of scripture but according to God’s nature which is why I know that logic which relies on the sinful nature is flawed while logic that relies on the spirit of righteousness is of God. I rebuke you because you condemn both the logic of the sinful nature as well as the logic of the spirit of righteousness and so serve Satan.
When you say scripture you really mean your own concepts of what scripture states and those concepts need to be tested against God’s nature. For example “why do you accuse God of creating what you call “the flesh”?” Perhaps I misunderstand and what you call “the flesh” is not the flesh of human beings. If it is not then what is it?
I on the other hand believe that God created an upright spirit in mankind but that it was corrupted by Adam’s sin. This is why Scripture states “sin entered the world through one man”.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote i think you do not understand Nick, or what he says,
I strive to be as clear spoken as possible with Nick so that if I do misunderstand him he can correct that misunderstanding. He has not done so.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote but scriptures are tools of the Spirit of God …
If you mean that scripture was delivered to by the Spirit of God then I agree. I also agree it is a tool to teach us who God is, what he desires of us, and how to accomplish his desire.
Terraricca wrote:
… but you have to understand how to use them ,without interference.
Logic and intuition are tools to understand what scripture is saying but you must be inspired by God to use them correctly.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote this is talking to John about how the spirit of truth works,
I do not disagree with you about John 16:13 as I already told Gene that in a prior post. The Spirit can be used to test your words, your beliefs, and your action and to some extent those of others.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote revelation is the out come of that spirit of truth.
Once more I do not disagree but revelations are made through logic or by intuition. The difference is you cannot explain the findings of intuition, except from using reason in hindsight and not always then.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2010,10:54) Terraricca wrote: Quote i think you do not understand Nick, or what he says,
I strive to be as clear spoken as possible with Nick so that if I do misunderstand him he can correct that misunderstanding. He has not done so.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote but scriptures are tools of the Spirit of God …
If you mean that scripture was delivered to by the Spirit of God then I agree. I also agree it is a tool to teach us who God is, what he desires of us, and how to accomplish his desire.
Terraricca wrote:
… but you have to understand how to use them ,without interference.
Logic and intuition are tools to understand what scripture is saying but you must be inspired by God to use them correctly.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote this is talking to John about how the spirit of truth works,
I do not disagree with you about John 16:13 as I already told Gene that in a prior post. The Spirit can be used to test your words, your beliefs, and your action and to some extent those of others.
Terraricca wrote:
Quote revelation is the out come of that spirit of truth.
Once more I do not disagree but revelations are made through logic or by intuition. The difference is you cannot explain the findings of intuition, except from using reason in hindsight and not always then.
KWsometimes it is by intuition,but it could be more than that and more than logic.
and that is what is called the spirit of God /Christ
but you have to be full of truth first.
Hi KW,
It is so easy to walk off the path of truth.
Start from logic and inference and drop the actual words of scripture.
Then just develop your own ideas loosely related to scripture and use them as your foundation.Very soon you will have a denomination of your own making.
Terrarica wrote:
Quote sometimes it is by intuition,but it could be more than that and more than logic.
I think you are misunderstanding what either logic or intuition mean. The goal of logic is to arrive at the correct answer by way of reasoning while intuition is knowing the correct answer without using reason. Either works best when the spirit of righteousness is the driver. That is being inspired by God or what you refer to as “more than that and more than logic”.
Terrarica wrote:
Quote but you have to be full of truth first.
Both logic and intuition depend on truth to arrive at the truth.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2010,08:45) Hi KW,
It is so easy to walk off the path of truth.
Start from logic and inference and drop the actual words of scripture.
Then just develop your own ideas loosely related to scripture and use them as your foundation.Very soon you will have a denomination of your own making.
I use logic and reason to keep my words in harmony with the intent of scripture while your words are not as I pointed out.I have tried to open your eyes to the fact that God wants his people to be holy and righteous as he is holy and righteous and yet you fail to believe.
I have also striven to convince you that he can make us truly righteous and will do so for those who obey all his Anointed One teaches.
I do not regret these attempts even though they have appeared to have fallen on death ears.
Perhaps, in time they will bear fruit but if not they have been said and removed the excuse of not hearing them.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2010,14:55) Terrarica wrote: Quote sometimes it is by intuition,but it could be more than that and more than logic.
I think you are misunderstanding what either logic or intuition mean. The goal of logic is to arrive at the correct answer by way of reasoning while intuition is knowing the correct answer without using reason. Either works best when the spirit of righteousness is the driver. That is being inspired by God or what you refer to as “more than that and more than logic”.
Terrarica wrote:
Quote but you have to be full of truth first.
Both logic and intuition depend on truth to arrive at the truth.
KWlogic is not a true science it is like common sense,it is all based on the knowledge on hand at the time of the reasoning.and could be influenced by our inference mind.
the truth of God (scriptures) is knowledge from above,
what can make us improve each time we learn something more, are views will change as we grow in completeness of the knowledge of God,and so will our logic adapt to the new knowledge understood.you know the first time i read the bible i wen trough in about a year,well i learn quite a bit ,it was more that i knew before i started ,but it is nothing, if i compere with what i have learn since then,
also there are history books ,i have read them not as history but as records of the whys,and whose,whats,
it make you understand God actions in the history events recorded.
that is the way you find the spirit of Christ.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 24 2010,21:53) Matthew 22:29-33(NKJV) reads: Quote Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
Jesus chose not to use a scripture that explicitly speaks of the resurection from the dead but instead went to Exodus 3:6 & 15 where he proved resurection was a logical necissity, i.e. implied, from what is written.
Please note: I obtained the definition I am using for imply from freedictionary.com.
Have you ever wondered why the dead are spoken of as sleeping? because there will be an awakening from that death, that is why to God you are alive, even when dead. Only the second death is permanent.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 27 2010,18:18) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 24 2010,21:53) Matthew 22:29-33(NKJV) reads: Quote Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
Jesus chose not to use a scripture that explicitly speaks of the resurection from the dead but instead went to Exodus 3:6 & 15 where he proved resurection was a logical necissity, i.e. implied, from what is written.
Please note: I obtained the definition I am using for imply from freedictionary.com.
Have you ever wondered why the dead are spoken of as sleeping? because there will be an awakening from that death, that is why to God you are alive, even when dead. Only the second death is permanent.Georg
georgcould it also mean that second dead is your permanent position away from God site with no hope to recover,??
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