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  • #794164
    NickHassan
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    Hi BD,

    You oppse the way of Christ and say you are a muslim but you promote HU on utube.

    Does this not divide your loyalty?

    #794210
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Before I asked you if you believed sharia law was just, and you replied ‘yes’ – is that correct?

    Ed J

    Hi EDJ

    As I said before Sharia Law is divine decree it is just when carried out justly, some governments do not carry it out properly, Sharia law was very much part of the American landscape until the separation of church and state and so in the USA there is no law against Blasphemy and other moral “crimes” so you see a consistent rise in the legality of homosexuality, bestiality, Adultery, Fornication, legalized theft…etc

    Hi BD,

    Why are my questions so hard for you to answer?
    Is sharia law just? “yes” or “no”?

    #794211
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    Hi BD,

    So the earth was created in “2” days – “4” days total to get
    the things like the mountains, the plants, the animals and man;
    …then it took “2” more days to get the “7” heavens created for
    a grand total of “6” days of creation …is this what you believe?

    It’s not a matter of belief, it is what it is. study genesis, however there is no shortage of verses in the Quran that says six days whereas it is only mentioned once in the bible

    Again BD,

    Please answer my questions.
    Is that what you believe? “Yes” OR “No”?

    #794283
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Now that you have admitted that Jesus is not a liar we should see a reduction in the attacks you make on his teachings.

    perhaps you will find the lack is in you?

    #794442
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    John 7:40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying,
    said, Of a truth this is the Prophet (referencing Deuteronomy 18:15).

    Who is “the Prophet” this verse speaking of: Jesus or Muhammad?

    …also answer my two previous questions, OK?

    #794444
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    John 7

    40 Some of the multitude therefore, when they heard these words, said, This is of a truth the prophet.

    41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, What, doth the Christ come out of Galilee?

    There seems to be according to the scriptures some difference, the Christ was not expected to be that Prophet so they are asking which, so I ask you is Jesus The Christ or that Prophet?

    #794457
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    So you think you can devise a division between the Christ and the Prophet?

    Natural folks do get confused.

    Peter call Jesus both-he had the help of the Spirit.

    #794465
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    BD, when Jesus said “Moses wrote about me” what do you suppose he was referring to?
    Jesus Christ was saying that He *IS* that Prophet spoken about by Moses in Deut.18:15!

    #794469
    Ed J
    Participant

    Jesus said:

    “If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me,
    as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

    (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive:
    for the HolySpirit was not yet given (ref. John 16:13); because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
    Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.” (John 7:37-40)

    #794507
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    And confirmed by the Spirit of Christ in Peter in Acts 3.22f

    #794562
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, What, doth the Christ come out of Galilee?

    There seems to be according to the scriptures some difference, the Christ was not expected to be that Prophet so they are asking which, so I ask you is Jesus The Christ or that Prophet?

    #794565
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Jesus Christ is that prophet! …here the Apostle Peter affirms Jesus Christ is that prophet!

    “For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the LORD your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me;
    him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul,
    which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts 3:22-23)

    And here the people that saw the miracle of the fish and loaves said…

    “Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said,
    This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.” (John 6:14)

    Muhammad is the false prophet of the book of Revelation!

    #794566
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    So Jesus is like Moses?

    #794569
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Is Jesus unique or not. Hopelessly confused Christians is Jesus or Muhammad like Moses

    a) Like unto moses

    Muslims believe in all of the previous prophets. They make no distinction between them, nor do they place one above the others in piety. However, they are all human, and as humans they differ from one another in their characteristics. Let us compare these characteristics:

    1) Both Christians and Muslims agree that both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) had fathers and mothers. They both also believe that Jesus (pbuh) had only a mother and no father. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    2) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) married and begat children. Jesus (pbuh) never married nor had any offspring. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    3) Moses (pbuh) was accepted by the Jews and to this day, as a nation, they accept him as their prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) was accepted by his people, and as a nation, over one billion Muslims around the world accept him as the prophet of Allah. Jesus (pbuh), however, was rejected by his people (the Jews) as stated in the Christian’s own Bible: “He (Jesus) came unto his own, but his own received him not” (John 1:11) Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    4) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) were kings on Earth in the sense that they had the ultimate power of government, the power to inflict capital punishment. When the Jews brought before Moses (pbuh) the Israelite who had been caught collecting firewood on the Sabbath, Moses had him stoned to death (Numbers 15:36). Muhammad (pbuh) had similar authority. When a woman came before him confessing (with no witnesses) to having committed adultery, he gave her a chance to consider the severity of her claim and the punishment she would receive. When she insisted, he ordered her stoned to death and ordered his companions to respect her for her sincere repentance. Jesus (pbuh), however, explicitly refuted the claim that he had a kingdom on earth. When he was dragged before the Roman Governor Pontious Pilate with a charge of sedition he said: (John 18:36) “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” Jesus (pbuh) would not resort to lying to save his skin. Thus, he had no earthly kingdom. Further, in John 8:1-7 we read the story of the woman who was taken in adultery by the Jews and brought before Jesus (pbuh). They were hoping to trap him by either having him contradict the laws of Moses (pbuh) by not stoning her, or by placing him in a bad position with the Roman empire by taking the law into his own hands and ordering her stoned. Jesus cleverly extracted himself from this predicament by commanding them: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” So the woman was set free. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    5) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) came with a new and comprehensive set of laws for their people. The law brought by prophet Moses was named the Judaic Law, and the law brought by prophet Muhammad was named the Shari’ah. Jesus (pbuh) however, as witnessed by Matthew, claimed to have not introduced any new laws, but to have come to renew the law of Moses (pbuh) and to have neither added nor subtracted from it. In Matthew 5:17-18 we read: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    6) Moses lead his people in a secret mass exodus from their hometown to Median in an attempt to flee the persecution of their enemies. Muhammad (pbut) too emigrated with his followers from their home town to Madinah in secret in order to flee the torture of their enemies. Jesus, however, never led his followers in a any sort of mass exodus from their hometowns . Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    7) Moses was victorious over his enemies both morally as well as physically. Pharaoh was defeated by Moses and all of his army were drowned in the sea. Muhammad (pbuh) too met his enemies in battle and defeated them all. This too was a moral as well as a physical victory. Jesus (pbuh) on the other hand is claimed in the Bible to have been crucified by his enemies. Thus, his victory was only a moral one. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    8) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh), is claimed by the Christians to have died violently on the cross. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    9) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) lie buried in the ground. Jesus (pbuh), however, is claimed by the Christians to abide in heaven. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    10) Most Christians claim that Jesus (pbuh) is God. No Christian or Muslim, however, claims that Moses or Muhammad (pbut) was God. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    11) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbuh) began their prophetic missions at the age of forty. The Bible tells us that Jesus (pbuh) began at thirty. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    12) Christians claim that Jesus (pbuh) was resurrected after his death. Neither Muslims nor Christians claim that Moses or Muhammad was resurrected. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

    There are many additional points that could be mentioned but we will suffice with these for now.

    b) Cannot be a Jew

    Well, is Muhammad (pbuh) the only prophet who is “Like unto Moses”? For example, what about Jesus (pbuh)? Well, we should then notice that Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew,

    “Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou (Jesus), being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria?”

    John 4:9

    and the Bible specifically denies that this awaited prophet will be a Jew. We are told that in Deuteronomy:

    “And there arose NOT a prophet since in Israel LIKE unto Moses.”

    Deuteronomy 34:10

    This awaited prophet, however, must be “LIKE unto thee (Moses).” So he will come from OUTSIDE of Israel.

    #794575
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Did you ever hear the parable of the wheat and the tares?

    “every soul,
    which will not hear “that prophet”(Jesus Christ),
    shall be destroyed from among the people” (Acts 3:23)

    #794576
    Ed J
    Participant

    BD, you’re suppose to provide a link when you “copy & paste” others words

    #794579
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Did you ever hear the parable of the wheat and the tares?

    “every soul,
    which will not hear “that prophet”(Jesus Christ),
    shall be destroyed from among the people” (Acts 3:23)

    Jesus like Moses followed God’s commandments.

    Muhammad (unlike Moses) did NOT follow God’s commandments.
    Muhammad is the false prophet of the book of Revelation

    #794640
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Moses and Muhammad were both warriors and neither has been resurrected, both were married and both enacted the death penalty on others, they both put in place Sharia law and formed a nation. Either Jesus is unique or Jesus is like Moses, which is it?

    #794649
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Did you not know Jesus was given the Spirit without measure?

    God did not say that about any other prophet.

     

    And you have a prophet without the Spirit?

     

    #797891
    Ed J
    Participant

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