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  • #793018
    Ed J
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    Look at the colours of the whore shown in Revelation

    Red=man

    Purple=religion.

    Read the design of the Jewish temple and you will find that blue represents God.

    The whore’s garb does not involve blue.

    Hi Nick,

    The spirit has taught you much!

    ____________
    Your brother
    in Christ,
    Ed J

    #793019
    Ed J
    Participant

    Bartholomew (skinned alive and beheaded)

    James, the Lesser (stoned and clubbed-to-death)

    Andrew (crucified upside down on an X-shaped cross)

    Judas Iscariot (suicide, death by hanging)

    Peter (crucified upside down)

    John (thrown into boiling oil, but survived)

    Thomas (impaled by a spear)—Called by most Christians as the “Doubting Thomas” for disbelieving the Lord’s Resurrection.

    James, the Great (beheaded)—Brother of the Apostle John.

    Phillip (crucified)

    Matthew (burned-to-death?)

    Jude Thaddeus (sawed or axed to death?).

    Simon the Zealot (sawed or axed-to-death?)

    Hi BD,

    And they all believe Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead the third day.
    When are you going to believe their testimony instead of the false prophet’s lies?

    #793020
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    ED You claimed dying a terrible death proved Muhammad was a false death and yet he is in good company….Just read before you attack, it’s like we could save so much time if you took the time and studied before you wrote what amounts to garbage

    #793021
    Ed J
    Participant

    ED You claimed dying a terrible death proved Muhammad was a false

    No I didn’t. I claim that Muhammad’s words prove himself to be a false prophet.

    Muhammad said (in sura 69, 44-46)
    if He was a false prophet al-Lah would cut off the artery of his heart.
    And Later Muhammad said:
    “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the (poison lamb) food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time,
    I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

    He died saying the words he said would prove he was a false prophet.

    Poison lamb
    …..-or-
    Lamb of God

    Your choice,
    Ed J

    #793025
    kerwin
    Participant

    ED J,

    I can see where a person can claim the his words condemned him as a false prophet for he died he prophesied the he would if he turned away from God. The claim relies on believing the murderer is the sword of God and that the words “cut off the artery of my heart” are no just way of saying die. It is a way to undermine his credibility and that is a major factor of his ethos argument.

    I was thinking the wrong kind of argument when I began the post as I was looking at your argument as addressing a logos argument.

    #793112
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    No I didn’t. I claim that Muhammad’s words prove himself to be a false prophet.

    Muhammad said (in sura 69, 44-46)
    if He was a false prophet al-Lah would cut off the artery of his heart.
    And Later Muhammad said:
    “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the (poison lamb) food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time,
    I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

    He died saying the words he said would prove he was a false prophet.

    Poison lamb
    …..-or-
    Lamb of God

    Your choice,
    Ed J

    EDJ you are incorrect Muhammad did not say that on his death bed according to Hadith sources since you want to use them as factual and also according to those same sources it was 3 years after eating the poison lamb and he was already elderly. The Quaran was already completed so it does not validate the point, in the Surah that states if someone tried to invent something to be placed in the Quran they would instantly die.So here is a Hadith

    Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4463; Muslim, 2444.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    The last words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – before he bade farewell to this world – were: “O Allaah, (with) the higher companions”. This is the title that al-Bukhaari gave to a chapter in Kitaab al-Maghaazi in his Saheeh: “The last words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)”, where he quoted the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: When the Prophet was healthy, he used to say, “No soul of a Prophet is taken until he has been shown his place in Paradise and then he is given the choice.” When death approached him while his head was on my thigh, he became unconscious and then recovered consciousness. He then looked at the ceiling of the house and said, “O Allaah! (with) the highest companions.” I said (to myself), “He is not going to choose (to stay with) us.” Then I understood what he meant when he said that to us when he was healthy. The last words he spoke were, “O Allaah! (with) the highest companions.”

    #793113
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    A prophet?

    What did he prophesy and was it fulfilled.

    Or are you just blindly following men?

    #793116
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Is this true today?

    From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

    ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)

    There was absolutely no way to predict that in the 6th century which at that time didn’t even have protestants the second largest denomination but today denominations literally condemn other denominations and even on the forum Christians condemn Christians so I would say that is pretty amazing and verifiable

    #793122
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Weak and tasteless gruel.

    #793126
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Is it true?

    #793128
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    No.

    Just human conjecture

    #793159
    Ed J
    Participant

    Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
    The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain
    caused by the (poison lamb) food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time,
    I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

    Poison lamb = death …Muhammad (false prophet of Rev.13:13)
    ……-or-
    Lamb of God = Life …Jesus Christ (Son of God: John 3:16)

    Jesus or Muhammad?

    Your choice,
    Ed J

    #793172
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Nick

    No.

    Just human conjecture

    Numbers don’t lie, I have seen you write some pretty terrible things about the Catholic church and other Christian denominations it sounds like enmity to me, will you go to a Catholic service, Mormon service, Jehovah witness? And feel like you are around brethren?

    #793173
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI EDJ

    You put together silly things.

    Apophenia /æpɵˈfiːniə/ is the experience of perceiving patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.

    The term is attributed to Klaus Conrad[1] by Peter Brugger,[2] who defined it as the “unmotivated seeing of connections” accompanied by a “specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness”, but it has come to represent the human tendency to seek patterns in random information in general, such as with gambling and paranormal phenomena.[3]

    #793180
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Should we defend what is false?

    I know you do but should you?

    #793401
    Ed J
    Participant

    Look at the colours of the whore shown in Revelation

    Red=man

    Purple=religion.

    Read the design of the Jewish temple and you will find that blue represents God.

    The whore’s garb does not involve blue.

    Hi Nick,

    The color blue covers “The Ark” and reminds us to keep God’s commandments – therefore blue represents Pentecost

    “And when the camp setteth forward, Aaron shall come, and his sons, and they shall take down the covering veil,
    and cover “The Ark” of testimony with it: And shall put thereon the covering of badgers’ skins, and shall
    spread over it a cloth wholly of blue, and shall put in the staves thereof.” (Num 4:5-6 (KJV)

    The color BLUE covers “The Ark”. The color blue also reminds us to keep the commandments of God.

    “Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments
    throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: And it shall
    be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do
    them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
    That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.” (Num 15:38-40)

    _______________
    Your brother
    in Christ
    Ed J

    #793406
    Ed J
    Participant

    BD said:

    Numbers don’t lie

    al-Lah is satan = 117
    YHVH is GOD = 117

    “before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost” = 117th Prime number (Matt 1:18)

    #793407
    Ed J
    Participant

    Jesus =74
    ……or
    Muhammad =74 Your choice ?

    John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was,
    “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” =74th Prime Number

    “Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because
    he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was *NUMBERED* with the transgressors;
    and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” (Isa 53:12)

    #793411
    Ed J
    Participant

    He was
    *NUMBERED* ..…with the transgressors

    Jesus =74 Lucifer=74 Muhammad=74

    #793596
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    There is only ONE MAJOR problem with your entire theology and that is this:

    Isaiah 45:7 form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Is this true or false EDJ?

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