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  • #792950
    NickHassan
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    Hi BD,

    You would love to drive a wedge between the Father and the Son.

    But you have no idea about authority.

    The roman centurion in Lk 7 was praised for his faith.

    Learn from him.

    #792951
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You bring another claiming to be an anointed man.

    Listen to the words you quote.

    #792952
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Are you always deceiving? Matthew 6:24
    is not about choosing between God and his Son,
    but instead is about choosing between God and riches.

    “Ye cannot serve God and mammon” Matt 6:24)

    Will you even stoop to bearing false witness to protect YOUR false prophet?

    So Jesus didn’t mean you cannot serve 2 masters? was he only talking about riches if so he could have just said you cannot serve God and mammon but he purposely said 2 Masters

    Hi BD,

    I already told you the verse is NOT talking about serving God and his Son,
    but it is about a choice to serve either God or riches. Here is what Jesus said…

    ………….“Ye cannot serve God and mammon” Matt 6:24)

    “Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man
    to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:24-25)

    You said you did read the entire bible, but you clearly do not believe what it says.

    #792953
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    quran 69, 44-46
    YUSUFALI: And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
    We should certainly seize him by his right hand,
    And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

    Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
    The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by
    the (poison lamb) food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

    And as you Muhammad’s own words prove him a false prophet!

    I’m not sure if that is an authentic hadith or not but you seem to still misunderstand:
    The verse says he would not have been able to invent any sayings he would have been killed, not he could invent all the sayings and then be killed many years later.

    #792954
    Ed J
    Participant

    lets say you are right and you can serve two masters

    Are you now trying to put words in my mouth?

    #792956
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Can you serve two masters?

    #792957
    Ed J
    Participant

    Luke 14:26King James Version (KJV)

    26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    EDJ, NICK,T8, DAVIDL, Miia, Lightenup,…etc

    Do you hate your all these things?

    Hi BD,

    The word there means “TO LOVE LESS” (Link)

    Jesus did not teach hate only Muhammad taught hate.

    “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,
    and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of
    your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth
    rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even
    the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even
    the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (att 5:43-48)

    #792958
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You should know about serving two masters.

    You promote one and try to undermine the Son of God.

    #792960
    Ed J
    Participant

    hi EDJ thanks for the link:

    Iah ( Egyptian: Jˁḥ, transliterated as Yah, Jah, Jah(w), Joh or Aah [2]) is a god of the moon in ancient Egyptian religion.

    Perhaps you didn’t read it first Yah and Jah mean anything to you?

    Hi BD,

    Are you suggesting that the God of the Christians and Jews is the moongod?
    No, my friend only ‘al-Lah’ is the moongod alone. We instead believe in YHVH.
    “YA” is a contraction of God’s name יהוה YÄ-hä-vā . The devil seeks to deceive…

    …and the quran says that ‘al-Lah’ is best of deceivers.

    But God’s truth is clear for all to see…
    (God has a Son, while ‘al-Lah’ doesn’t)

    al-Lah is ‘no god’ = 117
    al-Lah is satan = 117
    YHVH is GOD = 117

    “before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost” = 117th prime (Matt 1:18)

    #792964
    Ed J
    Participant

    quran 69, 44-46
    YUSUFALI: And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
    We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And
    We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

    Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
    The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by
    the (poison lamb) food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, .”

    And as you can see Muhammad’s own words prove him a false prophet!

    I’m not sure if that is an authentic hadith or not but you seem to still misunderstand:
    The verse says he would not have been able to invent any sayings he would have been killed, not he could invent all the sayings and then be killed many years later.

    Hi BD,

    Jesus is the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world; and the funny thing about Muhammad is:
    Muhammad died from eating a poison lamb, because he rejected God’s sacrificial Lamb, Jesus Christ.

    #792965
    Ed J
    Participant

    The false prophet abused Jews and women the most, so wouldn’t you know God’s justice let him die a very painful death, suffering the effects of the poison (by the hand of a Jewish woman) for over two years before it finally killed him.

    The quran says Jesus was protected, but it looks like his al-lah let him die like a rat.

    #792966
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    I know it means love less but you see how quickly you can know what is really meant when you don’t agree with what you read, now what if you applied that same reasoning to finding out what the Jewish term “son of God” meant and why it was applied often with no understanding literal sonship.

    but somebody learned hate from somewhere, right?

    Psalm 139:21-23King James Version (KJV)

    21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

    22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

    23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

    this might be a different hate too, like “Love less than”

    #792967
    Ed J
    Participant

    Can you serve two masters?

    Hi BD,

    Can you? Who is God’s anointed Leader? Jesus or Muhammad?

    #792968
    Ed J
    Participant

    I know it means love less but you see how quickly you can know what is really meant when you don’t agree with what you read, now what if you applied that same reasoning to finding out what the Jewish term “son of God” meant and why it was applied often with no understanding literal sonship.

    but somebody learned hate from somewhere, right?

    Psalm 139:21-23King James Version (KJV)

    21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

    22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

    23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

    this might be a different hate too, like “Love less than”

    David said this:
    “Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee?” (Psalms 139:21)

    Jesus said this:
    “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,
    and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of
    your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth
    rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not
    even the publicans the same?” (Matt 5:43-46)

    #792974
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Can you? Who is God’s anointed Leader? Jesus or Muhammad?

    God is the Leader and God of all flesh the people made an error as far back as Samuel:

    1 Samuel 10:19
    And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands.

    EDJ

    today the Pope is the head of the Christian Church is he your leader and if not why not?

    #792975
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Mahomet dies of poisoned lamb because someone who lived according to the flesh murdered him.  That is not evidence that he was a false prophet.

    Test his teaching and so prove him false.

    At the same time test your teachings and discard what is false so you will found wanting on that day.

    It looks like you are attacking Mahomet’s creditability but I do not know enough about Islam to know if the would consider the act of murder by a human as an act of God.  I doubt it since that evidence is available to them.

    #792980
    kerwin
    Participant

    bodhitharta,

    I saw your speculations about Jesus that make you doubt he died on the cross. They reveal a lack of understanding because when a human being who committed no sin was put to death by this world then this world and the works therefore were condemned as unjust for he did not earn the wages of death.

    Death could not keep him because he did not earn those wages and so he rose from the dead on the third day by the power of the Spirit of God. His resurrection is a symbol of the resurrection at the end of the world.

    #792984
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Why would a leader of a massive humanistic cult with a babylonian god and their own traditional teachings play any role of leadership over us?

    #792986
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    To say Allah is simply more accurate because it uses the Definite Article you are saying “The God” and that is the proper way to view God because there is Only One and there is no plural for Allah as you have in english you can say “gods” this doesn’t happen in Arabic with ALLAH there is no such thing as allahs.

    Abraham knew him as God as that is what the word El means. He is called “the God” in John 1:1 so that is a tradition of a type as well. Is the word God wrote “lah”?

    #792991
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin

    bodhitharta,

    I saw your speculations about Jesus that make you doubt he died on the cross. They reveal a lack of understanding because when a human being who committed no sin was put to death by this world then this world and the works therefore were condemned as unjust for he did not earn the wages of death.

    Yes, but man has shed INNOCENT blood before and you are right the land was condemned because it was polluted with INNOCENT blood, from that perspective this would further condemn the world not save it

    Death could not keep him because he did not earn those wages and so he rose from the dead on the third day by the power of the Spirit of God. His resurrection is a symbol of the resurrection at the end of the world.

    Even if this were the case yes it would be right for him to be resurrected because of his innocence, this still would not be connected to dying for the sins of the people….However the Quran simply says he was raised up to Allah

    (And remember) when Allah said: O jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

    ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)

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