Jesus not the only true god/ jesus tells who is

[bodhitharta]

Grace and blesings be to you all in the name of The Merciful and Compassionate God our Father and the Father and God of Christ Jesus.

Jesus called the Father THEE ONLY TRUE GOD

John 17:2-4 (King James Version)
3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

There is no getting around this airtight verse, do you disbelieve Jesus when he declares this about his God and Father?

on·ly (nl) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Alone in kind or class; sole: an only child; the only one left.
Standing alone by reason of superiority or excellence.
Now, not only the Master Jesus said Only but he then Added the word “True”

true (tr) KEY

ADJECTIVE:
tru·er , tru·est

Consistent with fact or reality; not false or erroneous. See Synonyms at real 1. See Usage Note at fact.
Truthful.
Real; genuine. See Synonyms at authentic.
Jesus said this of only the Father there is no one in the entire Bible who is called Thee “Only True God” Only the Father and it excludes any other, there is no one else. You know Jesus is right but you want to stick to those strong traditions but it is better to do not your will but instead believe in what Jesus Christ is telling you.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (King James Version)

4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Notice here again Jesus is not the one called God and the word Lord does not mean God that is why we have the term Lord God, meaning Most High God

Jesus makes it clear that The Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD

God has called Jesus god, Moses god the judges god and anyone whom received the Word of God as Jesus said:

John 10:35

35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 17:14 (King James Version)
14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

The Word was given to Jesus but notice that Jesus says “Thy Word” if the word is not his it follows that he cannot be the Word but while the word is with him he is acting in the will of God and is “as God” just as Moses was.

Exodus 7
1And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

* in Hebrew there are no lower case letters so only translations decide emphasis.*

[GeneBalthrop]

bodhitharta……….You have posted the truth , there is only ONE TRUE GOD , and that is not Jesus or anyone else. HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) LORD.

peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

[epistemaniac]

nope… Jesus DID NOT say that

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THEE ONLY TRUE GOD

if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉

since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person..

Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.”

Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.  

blessings,
ken

[Lightenup]

My theory:
One GOD
One God (God from GOD by birth as a literal Son, first to receive life apart from the always existent life source)
many gods (gods from GOD through God by creation and appointment)

LU

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2009,04:54)

My theory: One GOD One God (God from GOD by birth as a literal Son, first to receive life apart from the always existent life source) many gods (gods from GOD through God by creation and appointment) LU

Hi Kathi

One God yet many Gods\gods?

Makes no sense to me.

Blessings WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Do you follow JESUS?

If so when did he worship himself?

[Lightenup]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2009,13:02)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2009,04:54) My theory: One GOD One God (God from GOD by birth as a literal Son, first to receive life apart from the always existent life source) many gods (gods from GOD through God by creation and appointment) LU Hi Kathi One God yet many Gods\gods? Makes no sense to me. Blessings WJ

Hi Keith,
You did not sum up my words correctly if you reiterate it like this:
You wrote:

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One God yet many Gods\gods?

I would say this is a better paraphrase:
One GOD/One God/many gods

One GOD-the one source of all-the Most High GOD and only Most High of all others that have life within them.

One God-the son of the one source-the first to receive life and to receive life by birth not created…GOD begat God. He is the firstborn of all creation, i.e. the first to receive life of all that received life. He is also the firstborn from the dead meaning that He was the first to receive eternal life of all who were going to receive eternal life.

The rest that are called theos are created but were given the title with a sense of the word but not the fullness of the word.

I hope that makes it clearer,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Regardless it is who he is to us that matters.
Jesus is lord.
1Cor8
3But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

[Lightenup]

True Nick,
One LORD/one Lord/many lords.

To me the Father is the one GOD and one LORD
the Son is the one God and one Lord
the others aren't my god or my lord.

LU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
There is for you God and one Lord Jesus.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………yes there are many GOD'S, (POWERS) , but unto (US) there is only one true GOD. So the word GOD can be used for all kinds of GODS (Powers) thats why Jesus said for ” THO ART THE ONLY (TRUE) GOD. He is the ALMIGHTY POWER (GOD). IMO

love and peace………………….gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34)

nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GOD if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉 since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person.. Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.” Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.   blessings, ken

Thee or the is not the point ONLY and TRUE is the point.

Titus 1:3-4
4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith:

Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ[a] our Savior.

Notice the scripture says GOD the Father and the “Lord” Jesus Christ.

Just so everyone here knows and understands the word Lord does not ever mean God it simply means Master or Owner or possesor just as those who rent apartments have Landlords

I hope you don't worship your landlord although being nice to them is a Godly thing to be.

consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43)

Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34) nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GOD if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉 since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person.. Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.” Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.   blessings, ken Thee or the is not the point ONLY and TRUE is the point. Titus 1:3-4 4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ[a] our Savior. Notice the scripture says GOD the Father and the “Lord” Jesus Christ. Just so everyone here knows and understands the word Lord does not ever mean God it simply means Master or Owner or possesor just as those who rent apartments have Landlords I hope you don't worship your landlord although being nice to them is a Godly thing to be. consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being.

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43)

consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being.

Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus.

Keep in mind the wicked judges in Psalms were no supreme beings and especially with divine qualities like Jesus?

Just one example is all I ask for. Maybe you can give me an example where the Apostles or believers ever called or confessed another being as God, “Theos” other than the Father or Jesus?

How about an Angel? Are there any Angels called “God or Theos”. They are suppreme beings, so surely there is at least one scripture somewhere that calls them “Theos”?

You should take some time and read some here and see that all these things have already been addressed over and over before you create any more new threads with the same Ole straw man arguments.

Click Here to start!

Blessings WJ

[kerwin]

Worshipping Jesus wrote:

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Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus.

As you can see at one point scripture even calls Satan “theos”.  God uses the word to make a point and the context determines the point he is making.

2 Corinthians 4:4(NIV) reads:

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In whom the god(theos) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,17:29)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34) nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GOD if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉 since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person.. Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.” Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.   blessings, ken Thee or the is not the point ONLY and TRUE is the point. Titus 1:3-4 4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ[a] our Savior. Notice the scripture says GOD the Father and the “Lord” Jesus Christ. Just so everyone here knows and understands the word Lord does not ever mean God it simply means Master or Owner or possesor just as those who rent apartments have Landlords I hope you don't worship your landlord although being nice to them is a Godly thing to be. consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus. Keep in mind the wicked judges in Psalms were no supreme beings and especially with divine qualities like Jesus? Just one example is all I ask for. Maybe you can give me an example where the Apostles or believers ever called or confessed another being as God, “Theos” other than the Father or Jesus? How about an Angel? Are there any Angels called “God or Theos”. They are suppreme beings, so surely there is at least one scripture somewhere that calls them “Theos”? You should take some time and read some here and see that all these things have already been addressed over and over before you create any more new threads with the same Ole straw man arguments. Click Here to start! Blessings WJ

Exodus 7
1And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

*note* there are no lower case letters in hebrew so it would be God in that verse.

Case closed

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2009,18:07)

Worshipping Jesus wrote: Quote Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus. As you can see at one point scripture even calls Satan “theos”.  God uses the word to make a point and the context determines the point he is making. 2 Corinthians 4:4(NIV) reads: Quote In whom the god(theos) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Hi Kerwin

Look again.

You didnt answer the question!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,17:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34) nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GOD if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉 since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person.. Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.” Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.   blessings, ken Thee or the is not the point ONLY and TRUE is the point. Titus 1:3-4 4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ[a] our Savior. Notice the scripture says GOD the Father and the “Lord” Jesus Christ. Just so everyone here knows and understands the word Lord does not ever mean God it simply means Master or Owner or possesor just as those who rent apartments have Landlords I hope you don't worship your landlord although being nice to them is a Godly thing to be. consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus. Keep in mind the wicked judges in Psalms were no supreme beings and especially with divine qualities like Jesus? Just one example is all I ask for. Maybe you can give me an example where the Apostles or believers ever called or confessed another being as God, “Theos” other than the Father or Jesus? How about an Angel? Are there any Angels called “God or Theos”. They are suppreme beings, so surely there is at least one scripture somewhere that calls them “Theos”? You should take some time and read some here and see that all these things have already been addressed over and over before you create any more new threads with the same Ole straw man arguments. Click Here to start! Blessings WJ Exodus 7 1And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. *note* there are no lower case letters in hebrew so it would be God in that verse. Case closed

Hi bodhitharta

First of all I said the word “Theos”. Look closely you didnt answer the question.

But as far as Moses, notice YHWH says…

“I have made thee *a god* to Pharaoh“:

To Pharaoh Moses was “a god” because Pharaoh believed in many gods and in fact that he himself was a god.

Now show me where any of Moses followers like Aaron, Joshua, Jethro etc ever once called Moses god.

In fact show me where Moses is called “the god” by YHWH.

Jesus you will find is the only Divine Being besides the Father that is called “The Theos” not only by the Father but by his followers.

Sorry you haven't answered the question, therefore your point is a strawman.

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55)

Case closed

Is this something they taught you in Kingdom Hall? I noticed David uses that term a lot.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi Kerwin

BTW is satan a supreme being to you?

Is satan a “true theos” or a usurper, or an imposter?

Do you think that to Paul he was meaning satan was “a god” or a “false god” which is not a god at all?

For Paul also said…

So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE“. For even if “THERE ARE SO CALLED GODS, WHETHER IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH” (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 1 Cor 8:4, 5

Paul was not a Polytheist I assure you and yet Paul has called Yeshua “God” Theos.

So someone please show me somewhere in scripture where a being with Godlike or divine qualities is called “el, Eloyhim, or “Theos” in 66 books of the Bible. Just one example of the Prophets, Apostles or believers anywhere calling another being God unless it is false or derogatory.

Only the Father and Jesus is. How do yo explain this?

WJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,19:37)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,17:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34) nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GOD if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉 since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person.. Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.” Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.   blessings, ken Thee or the is not the point ONLY and TRUE is the point. Titus 1:3-4 4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ[a] our Savior. Notice the scripture says GOD the Father and the “Lord” Jesus Christ. Just so everyone here knows and understands the word Lord does not ever mean God it simply means Master or Owner or possesor just as those who rent apartments have Landlords I hope you don't worship your landlord although being nice to them is a Godly thing to be. consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus. Keep in mind the wicked judges in Psalms were no supreme beings and especially with divine qualities like Jesus? Just one example is all I ask for. Maybe you can give me an example where the Apostles or believers ever called or confessed another being as God, “Theos” other than the Father or Jesus? How about an Angel? Are there any Angels called “God or Theos”. They are suppreme beings, so surely there is at least one scripture somewhere that calls them “Theos”? You should take some time and read some here and see that all these things have already been addressed over and over before you create any more new threads with the same Ole straw man arguments. Click Here to start! Blessings WJ Exodus 7 1And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. *note* there are no lower case letters in hebrew so it would be God in that verse. Case closed Hi bodhitharta First of all I said the word “Theos”. Look closely you didnt answer the question. But as far as Moses, notice YHWH says… “I have made thee *a god* to Pharaoh“: To Pharaoh Moses was “a god” because Pharaoh believed in many gods and in fact that he himself was a god. Now show me where any of Moses followers like Aaron, Joshua, Jethro etc ever once called Moses god. In fact show me where Moses is called “the god” by YHWH. Jesus you will find is the only Divine Being besides the Father that is called “The Theos” not only by the Father but by his followers. Sorry you haven't answered the question, therefore your point is a strawman. Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55) Case closed Is this something they taught you in Kingdom Hall? I noticed David uses that term a lot. WJ

That verse is YHWH talking to moses calling him a god

Of course it doesn't say theos as it is in Hebrew which is even better since it is the original language God sent His message in.

Moses was Called God By God

In-Fact Jesus says that every one to whom the word of God came were called gods. Jesus says the scripture cannot be wrong and in those scriptures God says “Ye are gods”

God called those people God because they spoke on his behalf just like Jesus. If you don't believe me why are you not believeing Jesus because they are his words not mine.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,20:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,19:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,17:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34) nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GOD if for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English 😉 since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God, (Heb. 1:8; Titus 1:3-4, etc etc), then the Bible teaches a contradiction (polytheism) by insisting that there is only one true God, yet it also commands us to believe on Jesus who, being “god”, and who, if He is not the one true God, He must therefore be a false God, or you have the doctrine of the Trinity which resolves this issue by saying that God the Father and God the Son are one in essence, together with the Holy Spirit. One God, three in person.. Nowhere are the attributes of God assigned to mere human judges, so the comparison with the way that the word “god” is used of Jesus is not a comparison of like to like, but is instead apples to oranges. God does not require us to believe on the name of any human judge in order to be saved, nowhere does the bible say that any human judge was sinless, deserved to be worshiped with the worship due to God alone, nowhere do these judges claim for themselves the ability to forgive sins committed against God, nowhere did they ever claim the ability to raise themselves from the dead, nowhere do these human judges speak of being able to know the hearts of men, as it is of Jesus Christ… an attribute belonging to God alone… and on and on it could go…. this is an example of the type of fallacy in the other thread by the same OP called a faulty analogy…. “In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.” Human judges are relevantly dissimilar, therefore just because human judges are called “god” and the same is said of Jesus, it does not follow that they are called “god” in the exact same way.   blessings, ken Thee or the is not the point ONLY and TRUE is the point. Titus 1:3-4 4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ[a] our Savior. Notice the scripture says GOD the Father and the “Lord” Jesus Christ. Just so everyone here knows and understands the word Lord does not ever mean God it simply means Master or Owner or possesor just as those who rent apartments have Landlords I hope you don't worship your landlord although being nice to them is a Godly thing to be. consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43) consider that “God” means Supreme being then that being said The Father is The Most High in Supremity and there for the Onlu True Supreme Being. Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus. Keep in mind the wicked judges in Psalms were no supreme beings and especially with divine qualities like Jesus? Just one example is all I ask for. Maybe you can give me an example where the Apostles or believers ever called or confessed another being as God, “Theos” other than the Father or Jesus? How about an Angel? Are there any Angels called “God or Theos”. They are suppreme beings, so surely there is at least one scripture somewhere that calls them “Theos”? You should take some time and read some here and see that all these things have already been addressed over and over before you create any more new threads with the same Ole straw man arguments. Click Here to start! Blessings WJ Exodus 7 1And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. *note* there are no lower case letters in hebrew so it would be God in that verse. Case closed Hi bodhitharta First of all I said the word “Theos”. Look closely you didnt answer the question. But as far as Moses, notice YHWH says… “I have made thee *a god* to Pharaoh“: To Pharaoh Moses was “a god” because Pharaoh believed in many gods and in fact that he himself was a god. Now show me where any of Moses followers like Aaron, Joshua, Jethro etc ever once called Moses god. In fact show me where Moses is called “the god” by YHWH. Jesus you will find is the only Divine Being besides the Father that is called “The Theos” not only by the Father but by his followers. Sorry you haven't answered the question, therefore your point is a strawman. Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55) Case closed Is this something they taught you in Kingdom Hall? I noticed David uses that term a lot. WJ That verse is YHWH talking to moses calling him a god Of course it doesn't say theos as it is in Hebrew which is even better since it is the original language God sent His message in. Moses was Called God By God In-Fact Jesus says that every one to whom the word of God came were called gods. Jesus says the scripture cannot be wrong and in those scriptures God says “Ye are gods” God called those people Go d because they spoke on his behalf just like Jesus. If you don't believe me why are you not believeing Jesus because they are his words not mine.

God did not call Moses God.

Open your eyes man. YHWH said he would be a god to Pharaoh.

Jesus was speaking in derogatory terms about wicked and ungodly men.

Read what the Psalm says. Jesus was not patting them on the back or he would be denying what the Psalmist wrote about those ungodly men.

WJ

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