Jesus – LORD God – the evidence.

[david]

What does AWHN mean.

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The Greek word for “first created” is “Protoktioti”, but Paul [a Jew, raised a Pharisee] chooses carefully the “chosen” headship connotation Greek word instead: “Prototokos” [“Firstborn”].

I think this is a good point.

Jesus is the Prototype Son and our lowly bodies will eventually be transformed into a body like his.

[Proclaimer]

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The Great Controversy – Michael vs Dragon The Great Controversy – Michael vs Dragon [iow – Jesus vs Satan]:

There is an order here AWHN.

Revelation 1:1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and [a]communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

Are you of the opinion that the angel is John?
i.e., God > Christ > Angel > John > Churches
becomes
i.e., God > Christ > John the Angel > Churches

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What does AWHN mean.

I'm guessing that HN means Heaven Net.

[david]

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Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2012,19:05) What does AWHN mean. I'm guessing that HN means Heaven Net.

No. It doesn't. See what I mean about you finding patterns. You are really really good at seeing patterns. I didn't see that. It of course isn't what it means. But, well done at finding meaning and false patterns where none exist.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,15:49) agree with you on the color ,looks like a rainbow, but it is all religion man made understanding and views ,not founded on the truth of all of the scriptures, but what is their to expect from organized religion The Body of Christ is organized… even according to Paul and the NT.  That which is not in orginaized is in confusion, disorganized… It is written, “I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8 Luk 18:8  λεγωG3004 V-PAI-1S  υμινG4771 P-2DP  οτιG3754 CONJ  ποιησειG4160 V-FAI-3S  τηνG3588 T-ASF  εκδικησινG1557 N-ASF  αυτωνG846 P-GPM  ενG1722 PREP  ταχειG5034 N-DSN  πληνG4133 ADV  οG3588 T-NSM  υιοςG5207 N-NSM  τουG3588 T-GSM  ανθρωπουG444 N-GSM  ελθωνG2064 V-2AAP-NSM  αραG687 PRT-I  ευρησειG2147 V-FAI-3S  τηνG3588 T-ASF  πιστινG4102 N-ASF  επιG1909 PREP  τηςG3588 T-GSF  γηςG1093 N-GSF   …but if you will look at the greek, it says “…shall he find THE faith…”, definite article, that very same “faith” and truths of doctrines once delivered to the saints… and the remnant as spoken of in Revelation has it.

whn

what the type of organization Paul talks about is very different of what you think or are in ,being organized in love for others does not remove the individuality of the members ,but excite them to move ahead to Christian maturity, or if not will fall behind and drop out ,because of the lack of faith in God and his promise,

responsibility do you know that word,??? that's the word in which all believers stand before God and his son ,

it is because of the wickedness and the apostasy that we are today with 400 or more sects ,

so again I stand before God not before men ,if you do then it is your choice to pay the prize of it ,

I love a clear sky ,without obstructions

[Anonymous]

On top of what has already been given, please consider:

Question:  Who is the Separator of the Sheep and the Goats?

And [as for] you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. Ezekiel 34:17

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Matthew 25:31  [right now he is seated upon the Throne of Grace, not Glory]

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: Matthew 25:32

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Matthew 25:33

For many more considerations, without having to repost them all here, though I might if necessary, on Jesus as YHVH God, please consider the following posts [take some time, read the back and forths]:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59328459

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59328605

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-24/#post59334407

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59334725

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59334817

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-25/#post59334890

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-25/#post59334926

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-25/#post59343146

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-25/#post59343152

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-25/#post59343175

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59343218

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59351055

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59351130

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59351155

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59358144

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59358227

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59358388

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59370472

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59370643

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59370868

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59378993

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59379039

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59379180

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59381035

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59381110

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-28/#post59383731

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59388254

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59390020

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589…/#post59390466

[terraricca]

AWHN

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this quote comes from you religieus forum , here at HN we do not have two forums only one ,here you learn on your own free of religion domination,only some members

but if you pay attention you can easy pick the true believers from the fake ones or the lost ones ,

[Anonymous]

Witnesses.

There are 3 Eternal Witnesses.

Allow me to demonstrate…

According to scripture, how many Witnesses had Christ Jesus needed to confirm who He was, and who the Father is, and who the Holy Spirit is?

It was to be in the “mouth of two or three witnesses” – Deuteronomy 17:6, 19:15; Matthew 18:16; 2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19; Hebrews 10:28.

How do we know? Scripture declares it:

It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. John 8:17

Jesus declares it so, and even the Jews which heard Him understood this was the way it had to be:

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. John 5:31

The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. John 8:13

Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, [yet] my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. John 8:14

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. John 8:18

Please pay close and careful and prayerful attention to what scripture and I am about to say…

Christ Jesus was sent of the Father to Witness and Testify of the Love and character of God, even the Father, correct?

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:7

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:6

Therefore, how can Jesus testify of the total and complete Character of the Father, if He Himself had not been eternal, and God, ever being “with” the Father and Holy Spirit from everlasting?

If Jesus were not YHVH God, neither Eternal, neither self-existant having Life within Himself, being unborrowed, underived, neither having His own Will, He could never manifest the True and entire character of the Father unto men.  He could never be the True Witness, for only the Father would have been able to so witness, and therefore, He [the Father] would have been only a single witness [though His own testimony would be true, since God cannot lie], but not enough according to His own standard of two or three.

There are three persons, all able to Witness and Testify of the other in perfection.

Go to Genesis 1:1… “In the beginning God…”  and look very carefully at that hebrew word for “God”… and you will notice something absolutely awesome, it is not in the plural DUAL form, but rather the plural TRIPLE form…

Amen.

[david]

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For many more considerations, without having to repost them all here, though I might if necessary….

I think it most likely will be necessary.

[david]

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Also, “El Shaddai” [that is “the Almighty”] is used of Jesus Christ, even of the OT [Genesis 17:1, 48:3; Exodus 6:3, Ezekiel 1:24, etc.], as so noted in the Greek of the NT [Revelation 1:8,11].

About 43 times in scripture, “Jehovah” or “YHWH” are specifically and directly said to be “almighty.”

In genesis 17:1, however, this is what it says:

“When A′bram got to be ninety-nine years old, then Jehovah appeared to A′bram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.”

“Jehovah” said he is God “almighty.”

It doesn't say Jesus said he was God “almighty.”

This scripture is one of about 43 where “Jehovah” is called “almighty.

There are none where the word “Jesus” is referred to as “almighty.”
There are 43 or so instances where “Jehovah” or “YHWH” is specifically called “almighty.”

AWHN, can you see that the basic most general understanding of GEN 17:1 is simply that “Jehovah” is saying he is God “almighty?”

[david]

The Hebrew word for the verb “I am” is one of the most used words in the Hebrew language. We shouldn't be shocked that Jesus used the words “I am.” I personally have used the words “I am” about 7000 times in this forum.

What we know:

“Jehovah is called “almighty” about 43 times in the scriptures.
“Jesus” is never specifically called “almighty.”

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and uses the word “Lord” where in Hebrew it is YHVH.

We can't be absolutely sure that the new testemwnt writers replaced “Jehovah” with “lord.”

We only have copies of copies of the NT, because he material it was written on was more perishable than the old testement.

We know at YHWH or Jehovah was originally about 7000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures, yet today, most bibles have replaced it with LORD. Similarly, could this have happened in the second century with the NT?

I have great difficulty believing that when quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures, that the NT writers would remove Gods name, as if to change the wording that they were quoting. If Gods name was in the old testament about 7000 times, why suddenly stop using it?

We know that the Jews had many superstitions about using Gods name and probably took the first commandment way too far. This would be what lead to Gods name being removed from the NT in later copies.

Taking Gods name out and replacing it with LORD has confused many and lead them to become confused about The Lord God and The Lord Jesus.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2012,15:37)

The Hebrew word for the verb “I am” is one of the most used words in the Hebrew language.  We shouldn't be shocked that Jesus used the words “I am.”  I personally have used the words “I am” about 7000 times in this forum. What we know: “Jehovah is called “almighty” about 43 times in the scriptures. “Jesus” is never specifically called “almighty.”

Hi David,

               YHVH means: Causes to become.

When Moses Asked YHVH His name, YHVH said…
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
                    “I will be what I will be“

                  YHVH(63) and “will be”(63)

Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.

There's no such thing as an 'i am'?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

After three posts, I now understand AWHN's unwillingness to discuss anything. His mind is not open for discussion or even explanation. AWHN, I appreciate the private messages, but we can just discuss this here. I absolutely do appreciate your posts and all the information you supply. But I would like to have a discussion. If your mind is closed so that you cannot see anything other than what you have been taught, I understand. Proverbs mentions “thinking ability” a few times. Thinking and reasoning on scripture is a good thing.

Paul “reasoned with them from the scriptures.” Please, reason with us.

[david]

AWHN, I will not respond to any more private messages. Please discuss this here. Please.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2012,13:40)

Jesus said: “Abraham desired to see my day, and he saw it and was glad”.  Jesus was foreordained, and so he existed in the heart of the Father in the beginning, and was to be brought into the world at a specific point in time. 1Pe 1:19   But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:   1Pe 1:20   Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Love in Christ, Marty

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Marty…………….This is exactly right brother. Jesus never existed as anything before his berth on this earth except in the Plan and Will of God, He was a 100% pure human being who came into existence by his berth on this earth Just exactly as we are IMO

These people believe God is unable to Perfect a complete human being they do not realize it was God's intent all along to Perfect human beings, and Jesus was simply the First Human being to reach that Goal God had in mind for all mankind Brother.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

To all………..Who believe Jesus was or is and angel. Scripture plainly say God did not subject the world to come to angels. so that alone should tell you Jesus was not a Preexistent angel of any kind. Need Proof?

Heb 2:5….For unto the angels has he not put in subjection the world to come where of we speak.

Well so much for this garbage that Jesus was or is an angel, but i am sure most will find something else to make him out to be other than a Pure human being though.

Man is the Crown Jewel of God creation and he has put “ALL THINGS” under his feet and when He said “ALL” that left “NOTHING” that is Not under “MANS FEET” .

Jesus was made in the “IMAGE” of God But SO WERE WE> All who preach a different Jesus then the human being Jesus are Antichrist and even more against God himself and his work in mankind.  Those who Preach the Separation of Jesus from his human roots are also Antichrists, IMO.

peace and love to you all………………………..gene

[terraricca]

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1Pe 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
1Pe 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

WHO ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CALLED “YOU”

and yes Christ was CHOSEN AMONG ALL OTHERS AROUND THE THRONE OF GOD TO COME DOWN AND SACRIFICE HIS LIVE FOR THE SIN OF MEN AND SPECIALY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PART OF THE REDEEMED OF THE EARTH,

NO MEN CAN SAVE HIMSELF OR ANY OTHER ,CHRIST CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER DID THE JOB AND WENT BACK TO HIS FATHER AND NOW CALLS FOR THE BROTHERS HE REDEEMED TO JOIN HIM

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca………A lot of talk but not scriptures to prove it , face it Pierre you have bought into the biggest LIE ever told Mankind and that is that Jesus was not exactly in “ever way” “identical us. without any exceptions Pierre Jesus never preexisted his berth upon this earth, that would go against God/s Work in and through mankind. It was by man sin came into this world and it is by a man it is atoned for by the 100% pure human man Jesus the Anointed one. All you and the rest who teach a different Jesus are Liars and Antichrist and even more Anti-God also. You people limit the Power and work of God in and through humanity and are all together false teachers. IMO

peace and love…………………………………………………..gene

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